Support for Detractors of Cy-Hawk Game

[oldhawk12]

Agree. ISU is still a P5 team and doing fairly well now. Might as well keep them if you win 75% of the time. Why schedule a West coast team for a home-and-home when the travel is just going to muck you up.

Ok kirk

 

[InGoodCo]

We’ve won the game in most years but I certainly wouldn’t call it one sided. It’s generally a competitive game and the clowns certainly could have beaten us this year and others so this is light yrs from the Hayden beat down days when this game was a mere after thought

It's 12-5 over the last 17 years and 45-22 all time. It's still pretty one sided. But ISU is pretty good now... so IMO, for Iowa, that makes the game pretty darn attractive.

 

[InGoodCo]

You seriously need to get it through your head that iowa isn’t a playoff caliber football team with this staff. If it was, the scheduling talk wouldn’t even be a topic of discussion. Nor would who the next coach would, clock mgmt or bary garta

I don't really need to get anything through my head - nor did I state that Iowa was a playoff contender - I said it's a bad business model for any B1G team to schedule another P5 team in today's current climate. Cause it is.

 

[blubberhawk]

1) because Iowa doesn't have Bama's reputation / credibility / exposure / buzz
I've never said I expect the Hawks to be a playoff team, but they can and should be doing more to elevate these things for the sake of recruiting.

2) we're scheduling well below Bama, actually. Last year they played Louisville, 2 years ago they opened w/ FSU (when the Noles were, what, #3?). Next year they open w/ USC. Year after that they open w/ Miami(FL)

Wisky plays ND the next 2 years, then Wazu for 2 years, then Bama (again) for 2 years. But what the hell do they know?

I would 10,000,000 times rather play Alabama every year than piss around with ISU..Dump ISU and play a top 5 team every year. (and tell ISU to go to hell)

 

[okeefe4prez]

I would 10,000,000 times rather play Alabama every year than piss around with ISU..Dump ISU and play a top 5 team every year. (and tell ISU to go to hell)

Save for the year Stallings lucked into that freakish recruiting class and tripped over his own Johnson to win the natty, Alabama has been a pretty pedestrian program between the Bear and Nick eras. If Bama reverts to that mean, an Iowa-Bama series would be damned interesting.

 

[hawkeyes87]

If Bama reverts to that mean, an Iowa-Bama series would be damned interesting.

In the meantime, now would be a great time to be playing the Florida schools.

Prime recruiting grounds, big-name opponent, and they're all mediocre. UF not as much, but I think they're overrated.

 

[racerhawk]

Does it matter what others are doing? So Iowa misses a bowl game because it goes 5-7 instead of 6-6 with a weak schedule. Is that a bad thing? Iowa's bowl record might improve.

And did you notice that NW and Purdue both played 11 P5 teams last year? Guess what, Purdue and NW still made it to a bowl game and still beat Iowa. In fact NW won the division.

I would just like an even playing field with other conferences in terms of how post season play is determined.

I'd be fine with scheduling all P5 teams, but would like others to do the same. NW's season was truly special last year, as we see now. They went out to Stanford and lost, and got crushed by MSU today. I guess if you're okay with your team being 5-7 and playing Auburn and Oregon, that's great. I just respectfully disagree.

 

[Northside Hawk]

In the meantime, now would be a great time to be playing the Florida schools.

Prime recruiting grounds, big-name opponent, and they're all mediocre. UF not as much, but I think they're overrated.

Florida State had a late afternoon game in what looked like a half empty stadium today.

My how the mighty have fallen.

 

[hawkeyes87]

Florida State had a late afternoon game in what looked like a half empty stadium today.

My how the mighty have fallen.

Yep. And once Richt left, Miami resumed their fall.

 

[Northside Hawk]

Yep. And once Richt left, Miami resumed their fall.

Few programs have ever been more consistent, year in year out, than FSU in the Bobby Bowden era from 1980-2000.

I'm just throwing those years out there as a benchmark. I know Bowden was there longer than that. But didn't they have a streak of over a decade where they finished the season ranked fourth or higher in the final polls before the playoff system?

Not even the "U" could match that. It was like North Carolina's basketball program in the Dean Smith era.

 

[uihawk82]

While I agree that once it IS expanded to 8, SOS is likely going to be a bigger determining factor when deciding who the last few teams to get in is.... it makes ABSOLUTELY no sense for Iowa, in the CFP current state, to schedule another P5 team because SOS is virtually meaningless at this stage. I mean, it means absolutely 0. The SEC continues to play 8 or 9 P5 teams every season while the B1G plays 10 at a minimum. Guess who keeps getting left out of the show? In fact, one of the big buzz stories around the B1G media day this year was going back to an 8 game conference schedule. When the B1G went to 9 - it did absolutely NOTHING for it and actually made the road more difficult. Making your path to the ultimate goal harder with the perimeters in place is about the worst business model you can have. So, while I agree in your theory that it IS going to matter....it was supposed to matter when we went to 4 too and so far, it absolutely hasn't one single bit.

If the top dawg in the Big 10 gets their record hurt playing an extra big 10 game then that is too bad. The last two years OSU got blownout by first Iowa and then Purdue, crossover games, that showed that maybe they didnt belong in the final four (although they might have put up a better fight than some teams picked).

I think as college football has consolidated to the P5 power conferences the Big 10 at 9 conference games and 3 non-cons is correct. The Big 10 games are more important for first winning their division, then winning the Conf Champ game. and then getting into the playoffs. Therefore those games are more important for each team's fans.

Iowa has the one P5 non-con game with ISU but can always schedule as they want on the other two games. Heck look at Pitt scheduling and beating Cent Florida as a big win for them (and they had to get the contract for this game done not too many years ago , maybe just a couple of years).

Logically a total round robin of games is the only way to best find a conference champion but that cant happen with 14 teams. In the end 9 conf games help the Big 10.

 

[uihawk82]

I would just like an even playing field with other conferences in terms of how post season play is determined.

I'd be fine with scheduling all P5 teams, but would like others to do the same. NW's season was truly special last year, as we see now. They went out to Stanford and lost, and got crushed by MSU today. I guess if you're okay with your team being 5-7 and playing Auburn and Oregon, that's great. I just respectfully disagree.

NW beat Stanford in 2015 when Stanford went to the Rose Bowl. Notice that lofty academic NW plays lofty academic teams like Stanford and Duke a lot lately. Fitzy is a great coach for them and has tough teams but it is hard for them to be a top team each year.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

You seriously need to get it through your head that iowa isn’t a playoff caliber football team with this staff. If it was, the scheduling talk wouldn’t even be a topic of discussion. Nor would who the next coach would, clock mgmt or bary garta

Let's see...2002, 2003, 2004, 2008, 2009, 2015. In every one of those years Iowa would have at least been in the discussion for an 8-team playoff.

But, yeah, with this staff...

 

[RobHowe]

If Iowa dumps ISU, which it isn't if you've been paying attention this week, it's not going to be Alabama or Notre Dame replacing the Clones. It's going to be Pitt or Syracuse or Arkansas or a program of that ilk. We have 20+ years of evidence, folks.

 

[HuckFinn]

I want Iowa to apply for membership in the SEC so I won’t have to listen to a lot of this BS anymore.

 

[HawkeyeWalker]

If ISU is solid(fringe top 30 or better) and rep continues to improve, this is a good ooc and rivalry game to have on the schedule.

Wouldn't mind seeing a list of Iowa's total sos year end ranking over the last 20+ years, if some of the skilled stats folks on here could post it.

 

[koralakers]

I would just like an even playing field with other conferences in terms of how post season play is determined.

I'd be fine with scheduling all P5 teams, but would like others to do the same. NW's season was truly special last year, as we see now. They went out to Stanford and lost, and got crushed by MSU today. I guess if you're okay with your team being 5-7 and playing Auburn and Oregon, that's great. I just respectfully disagree.

Yes, The BIG seems to try to 'lead the way' by expanding to 9 games and no FCS school, but NO ONE ELSE is following suit. Coincidentally the BIG has been SHUT OUT of the last 3 playoffs (since BIG expanding to 9 games). Previously, almost every year the BIG had a horse-in-the-race, even when only 2 teams in playoff instead of 4. See below for last couple years P5 teams scheduling FCS

 

[hawkeyes87]

Yes, The BIG seems to try to 'lead the way' by expanding to 9 games and no FCS school, but NO ONE ELSE is following suit.

Pac-!0/12 was playing 9 conference games for 10 years before B1G did...

Coincidentally the BIG has been SHUT OUT of the last 3 playoffs (since BIG expanding to 9 games). Previously, almost every year the BIG had a horse-in-the-race, even when only 2 teams in playoff instead of 4.

B1G has been shutout of the last 2 playoffs, not 3. And, the B1G had more than 1 "horse-in-the-race" both of those years.
Previously (2 team playoff), B1G was shutout of the championship game from 2009-2014.

So, there is actually no dramatic drop in B1G playoff success / appearances tied to playing 9 conference games.

 

[eyekwah]

What's now and what is ahead are two entirely different things. Now is four playoff spots, what's ahead is eight. This when the B1G will go to ten conference games and no divisions with the two teams with best records playing the championship game. When that occurs the ISU game will be history.

https://saturdaytradition.com/big-t...s-big-ten-stayed-with-eight-conference-games/

 

[blubberhawk]

If Iowa dumps ISU, which it isn't if you've been paying attention this week, it's not going to be Alabama or Notre Dame replacing the Clones. It's going to be Pitt or Syracuse or Arkansas or a program of that ilk. We have 20+ years of evidence, folks.

We know Iowa is not dumping ISU. If the people in decision making positions (and media) stepped out of the press box and actually witnessed how ugly this game has become, maybe it would happen. When it has gotten to the point where the National Guard has to be called for game security, it is time for it to end..