Story: Maishe Dailey Commits to Hawkeyes

[CPHAWK82]

That's 7 players for 2 spots (SG/SF). We have 1 Freshmen PG that's not even a true PG in Bohannon. You guys are free to bask in the glow of another 3* combo guard. Some of us would like to know how this makes sense.

Recently, when Fran was asked about not getting a true pg, he says there's only so many "true point guards out there. And with his system, it's more of getting the ball inside out with a motion offense. It's not always "OK get the ball to the pg everyone get to their places and run a set play" He stated "that's not the way we play anyways." He took the best talent he could find.

We all have our own unprofessional opinions, and mine is that the athleticism he shows on tape far outweighs anything Fleming displayed ever. Hutton had some athleticism but this kid appears to be much more polished offensively, especially behind the arc and can pass the ball.

We'll just have to wait and see. Fran has done pretty well with what he's had so far.

 

[Hawk5656]

That's 7 players for 2 spots (SG/SF). We have 1 Freshmen PG that's not even a true PG in Bohannon. You guys are free to bask in the glow of another 3* combo guard. Some of us would like to know how this makes sense.

This unfortunately is true. People complained about Gesell running the PG spot last year but I'd give anything to have him back. I don't think trying to develop a wing into a PG is going to be as easy as people think

 

[ArvadaHawk]

That's 7 players for 2 spots (SG/SF). We have 1 Freshmen PG that's not even a true PG in Bohannon. You guys are free to bask in the glow of another 3* combo guard. Some of us would like to know how this makes sense.

You are right about pg. I think we all agree that we'd rather have a true pg. But that didn't happen. So now you move on to evaluating what you do have.

Rob stated in his piece that Daily likely redshirts. That washes out he Jones and Jok playing at the same time So now you have 5. Baer is more 3/4, though I agree with you that he will eventually be able to play "some" sg, I don't think you count on that. Now you're down to 4. Williams is our PG. That's just the way it is. Will he play some sg? Probably, but he's our pg. Now you're down to 3, Moss, Daily and Ellingson. Throw in Baer at the 3 and that is a nice rotation of 4 players for 2 positions. So, in the future, we aren't as crowded as it may seem today.

 

[trj]

You are right about pg. I think we all agree that we'd rather have a true pg. But that didn't happen. So now you move on to evaluating what you do have.

Rob stated in his piece that Daily likely redshirts. That washes out he Jones and Jok playing at the same time So now you have 5. Baer is more 3/4, though I agree with you that he will eventually be able to play "some" sg, I don't think you count on that. Now you're down to 4. Williams is our PG. That's just the way it is. Will he play some sg? Probably, but he's our pg. Now you're down to 3, Moss, Daily and Ellingson. Throw in Baer at the 3 and that is a nice rotation of 4 players for 2 positions. So, in the future, we aren't as crowded as it may seem today.

I think your comparison to a poor man's Jalen Rose is spot on. Imo, I do not think he will ever have the stroke that Barnes or Cheaney has, that nice fluid jumper. His biggest attribute will be his versatility, the ability to play 3 positions. Eventually, because of foul trouble or injuries you could plug him into one of three spots and there will not be a huge drop off in production.

 

[NikeHawk21]

You're the one with a hard on. I'm simply stating facts.
6'6 Christian Williams
6'7 Dale Jones
6'7 Nick Baer
6'5 Isiah Moss
6'6 Peter Jok
6'4 Brady Ellingsen
and now we add 6'6 Dailey.
Hutton is NOT a PG. Show me a PG on the roster or shut ur trap.

Well as the master of all things Basketball you must know that Dale Jones had the longest wingspan of any player on the team last year and is clearly a forward. Include Jordan in your list and now we have 6 players to rotate in the 1-3 spots, with Jordan and BE getting the least minutes. Dailey redshirts, and that all seems pretty reasonable to me.

Would a PG have been, nice, absolutely. Did you see many PGs out there? I sure didn't.

Dailey has average athleticism? You lose all credibility with that statement.

 

[lightning1]

I'm not "basking in the glow" of Dailey. I am not throwing the baby out with the bathwater like you though either. Reasonable people fall in the middle lightning, and you haven't been anything close to reasonable lately.

I'm just trying to figure out how this is going to get us closer to a BIG title. So far, you haven't come up with a "reasonable" answer. Care to offer one? Or do you just want to attack my posts?

 

[PCHawk]

Daily's offer reminds me of Williams last year. It makes no sense to bring him in. That's why I had a feeling Williams was going to be good and that's why I have a feeling Daily will be good. Fran isn't going to bring in "just another 6'6" wing" for no reason. He feels really good about him, just like he did Williams.

 

[PCHawk]

I'm just trying to figure out how this is going to get us closer to a BIG title. So far, you haven't come up with a "reasonable" answer. Care to offer one? Or do you just want to attack my posts?

For one, he might be really good. For 2, banking a scholarship isn't getting us closer to a title either.

 

[lightning1]

Here's the problem that we will have next year, in the BIG. We don't have any on-ball perimeter defenders. We don't have any players with the handles needed to break down a BIG guard. How is that a recipe for a BIG title? If someone here believes that it IS a recipe for a BIG title, please share.

 

[SteveGarvey1]

I think Fran's vision is close to being complete. Other than Wagner, we have all guys who are at least decent shooters, and Wagner's shot improved as the season went on (plus he contributes in other ways).

Typically at Iowa, we have 3-4 guys who get minutes who are shooting-challenged. Not so anymore with Fran.

 

[lightning1]

For one, he might be really good. For 2, banking a scholarship isn't getting us closer to a title either.

He might be really good. He'll have to be really, really, really good to be the missing piece of the BIG title puzzle. We'll have to wait and see.

 

[1hawkeye1]

People worried that we don't have a true PG are caught up in the offenses of the past. The uptempo motion that Fran runs doesn't need a true PG to stand at the center circle and hold up a hand signal while everyone runs to their spots for a half court set.

Would it be nice to have true PG? Probably, but there just weren't any out there. We've got multiple guys now who can rebound the ball and push it up the floor.

Welcome, Maishe, the future looks very bright.

 

[deanvogs]

I'm just trying to figure out how this is going to get us closer to a BIG title. So far, you haven't come up with a "reasonable" answer. Care to offer one? Or do you just want to attack my posts?

Since when is the measure of a recruit determined by whether they lead to a B1G title or not? If that is the measure then every recruit signed by Iowa over the last 35 years is a failed recruit.

I don't know if Dailey will be a good player, but I'm just not willing like you to blast away at it, we'll just because you seem to be having a fit about everything Iowa BB lately.

 

[Hawk5656]

People worried that we don't have a true PG are caught up in the offenses of the past. The uptempo motion that Fran runs doesn't need a true PG to stand at the center circle and hold up a hand signal while everyone runs to their spots for a half court set.

Would it be nice to have true PG? Probably, but there just weren't any out there. We've got multiple guys now who can rebound the ball and push it up the floor.

Welcome, Maishe, the future looks very bright.

When was the last time a team made the Final 4 without a PG?

 

[WindsorHawk]

Average athletic ability. Jump passes only work in high school. Average handles. We have plenty of guys that fit his skill set. We just lost 2 that looked similar, with similar high light videos. We needed a PG not another wing. Not impressed.

In response to all of lightning drivel in this thread.

His athletic ability is above average. No 2 players have the exact same skill sets. Neither of the 2 players that left looked anything like Dailey in their highlight videos. I see a skill set that can translate to playing the point in Iowa's system.

You're the one with a hard on. I'm simply stating facts.

6'6 Christian Williams

6'7 Dale Jones

6'7 Nick Baer

6'5 Isiah Moss

6'6 Peter Jok

6'4 Brady Ellingsen

and now we add 6'6 Dailey.

Hutton is NOT a PG. Show me a PG on the roster or shut ur trap.

Fran doesn't need a true point guard. A lot of the guys on this roster can handle the ball and help get it to the offensive end of the floor. There is no true point guard in our offense. The mismatches, athleticism and ability to finish will be far more beneficial.

That's 7 players for 2 spots (SG/SF). We have 1 Freshmen PG that's not even a true PG in Bohannon. You guys are free to bask in the glow of another 3* combo guard. Some of us would like to know how this makes sense.

Side Note - Are you suggesting a player must be within a certain height range to be a point guard? Magic Johnson says hello.

Don't hold your breath waiting on that kid to avg 10 ppg at Iowa. You might be disappointed. Jok is the only All BIG caliber player we have on the roster. I don't see anyone else that's close.

You've stuck your head in the sand and can't see anything. Do you know anything about Iowa basketball...or basketball in general?

I'm just trying to figure out how this is going to get us closer to a BIG title. So far, you haven't come up with a "reasonable" answer. Care to offer one? Or do you just want to attack my posts?

We have better players. Better talent gets us closer to a conference title. And finishing tied for 3rd the last couple of years means we aren't that far away as it is.

Here's the problem that we will have next year, in the BIG. We don't have any on-ball perimeter defenders. We don't have any players with the handles needed to break down a BIG guard. How is that a recipe for a BIG title? If someone here believes that it IS a recipe for a BIG title, please share.

We do have on-ball perimeter defenders. We have several players with the handles, size and length to break down Big 10 guards. No rational person expects a conference title next year. But several of us see the necessary talent on the roster to potentially win a conference title 2, 3 and 4 years from now.

He might be really good. He'll have to be really, really, really good to be the missing piece of the BIG title puzzle. We'll have to wait and see.

And now you say he might be really good...after half a dozen posts saying he can't play. You are all thunder and no lighting...zero credibility.

 

[FranklinHawk]

When was the last time a team made the Final 4 without a PG?

You could argue that Wisconsin recently did 2 years in a row. Koenig is more of a combo guard than the pure drive & dish ultra-quick PG everyone seems to be talking about.

 

[PCHawk]

Here's the problem that we will have next year, in the BIG. We don't have any on-ball perimeter defenders. We don't have any players with the handles needed to break down a BIG guard. How is that a recipe for a BIG title? If someone here believes that it IS a recipe for a BIG title, please share.

We might very well have perimeter defenders next year. Last year we had a good perimeter defender who constantly gave up a big 3 late from being backed up too far from the shooter. You are just focusing on what they don't bring instead of focusing what they do bring. If we have 3 6'5-6'6 guards on the floor that can handle the ball good for their size, there will be at least 2 guys who can beat their man and 1 guy who can shoot over the opposing "true point". We will have mismatches too.

 

[Hawk5656]

You could argue that Wisconsin recently did 2 years in a row. Koenig is more of a combo guard than the pure drive & dish ultra-quick PG everyone seems to be talking about.

Koenig was on the Bob Cousy Award list for top PG in the country and has always been considered a PG going back to his recruiting profiles

 

[FranklinHawk]

Koenig was on the Bob Cousy Award list for top PG in the country and has always been considered a PG going back to his recruiting profiles

I'm well aware of that, but do you see Koenig as the type of PG people are referring to here that is going to take guys off the dribble, penetrate, dish, etc.? I'm saying it shows that there isn't 1 exact skillset required to make a successful PG, guys with different skillsets can be successful based on the offense they are working in. Denzel Valentine probably played point more than MSU's true "point guard" last season.

 

[ArvadaHawk]

People worried that we don't have a true PG are caught up in the offenses of the past. The uptempo motion that Fran runs doesn't need a true PG to stand at the center circle and hold up a hand signal while everyone runs to their spots for a half court set.

Would it be nice to have true PG? Probably, but there just weren't any out there. We've got multiple guys now who can rebound the ball and push it up the floor.

Welcome, Maishe, the future looks very bright.

I want to make sure I state that I am worried about not having a consistent scorer at the pg and a pg that can get to the rim on his own. Running the offense is one thing. You can run an offense without a pg on the floor, as long as, you are a good passing team that moves the ball quickly and precisely.