Joshbrown
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I saw Dean pimping that as insider genius. Predicting that a one-time starter might again be a starter in the future was genius in his mind. LMMFAO
Stanley is the #3 QB
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I saw Dean pimping that as insider genius. Predicting that a one-time starter might again be a starter in the future was genius in his mind. LMMFAO
Joshbrown
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Well his silence on it says it all don't it? That's satisfaction enough for me not that I cared if I got any.
I am a bit surprised at how soon Stanley has done this. Hopefully it's because he's every bit the real deal and not so much because Wiegers and Cook are not... That said at the end of the day I hope CJ stays healthy and Wiegers plays in mop up duty and Stanley redshirts. Then Stanley can be a 3 yr starter and leave early for the pros because he tears up the BIG.
I don't think it's about good vs bad. I think the roster has some serious QB talent. And next year it could even be deeper. Kinda reminds me when Iowa had Sokol -CJB - Vandy and Rudock on the team. Everyone had their favorite but in reality they all were legit QBs.
Yeah maybe... I have nothing to 'prove' your wrong about this. But I just think Cook is more similar to Derby than he is towards being a good QB. I haven't been impressed with him. Wiegers I think may be decent. He's a broad shouldered guy with an arm that I've heard some good things about so I won't run him down. But it's hard to overlook that a true freshman has possibly jumped him and at worst is right on his heels. But either way if CJ stays healthy this a debate to be shelved till next spring
deanvogs
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What are you talking about you frigging dolt? Mends was listed as the #1 coming out of spring, and word started leaking out awhile ago that Bowers was taking that job. Wasn't anything insider about it, all you need is half a brain, being able to read Twitter and Hawk sites. It ain't my fault you are a functional idiot and can't put 2 and 2 together.
Joshbrown
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Yeah maybe... I have nothing to 'prove' your wrong about this. But I just think Cook is more similar to Derby than he is towards being a good QB. I haven't been impressed with him. Wiegers I think may be decent. He's a broad shouldered guy with an arm that I've heard some good things about so I won't run him down. But it's hard to overlook that a true freshman has possibly jumped him and at worst is right on his heels. But either way if CJ stays healthy this a debate to be shelved till next spring
Yeah, I don't want to get acrimonious either. I save that for the ickE bandwagon
. I know the phrase "I haven't seen a lot from so and so" gets used quite a bit. From my perspective I need to see a kid in live game action before I make the final call. I had a post in a different thread about Poholsky/McGwire/Hartlieb. Seeing all 3 in actual game conditions told me they were gamers. But sadly two of them would have to be disappointed. I remember people on HR who were high on Boyle. Now they post as if he would be a failure on game day. Maybe so, but how do we know without actually seeing the product? BTW, I'm not arguing he should be a starter, just making a point about how fans assume that a kid who is jumped must be bad.If Stanley gets to be the clear #2, I expect that he will get mop up time if Iowa is way ahead. KF seems either/or regarding RS. You're redshirting, not playing unless it comes to injuries, and you run with the scout team or you're on the depth chart and playing. Anybody who thinks KF is afraid to waste a RS on mop up time hasn't been paying attention.
Sure at most every other position I know he has. I'm not so sure at QB you do that. Especially when the other QB involved is plenty capable of taking a snap and handing it off in garbage time. I don't see how taking the RS off of a qb just to do that a handful of times during a season tops with maybe 5 passes is worth it... QB isn't the same as RB or other positions. I think Davis mentioned that they'd like to RS Stanley and this is why. Now if CJ were to miss some serious time then it's decision time for sure.
DP5555
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I think it totally depends on the situation. Ideally you keep him redshirted, but if he's really better than Weigers and CJ is going to be out for an extended period of time then you have to burn the redshirt and give him a chance. You play to win. This isn't peewee football.
Maybe if it's the end of the season and there's nothing left to play for and CJ goes down then you keep Weigers in. I don't see that happening though. Iowa is gonna be right in the thick of things in the west and if CJ gets knocked out you gotta play the guy who gives you the best chance to win.
Let's just hope we live in a perfect world and CJ stays healthy. That's my vote.
Maybe if it's the end of the season and there's nothing left to play for and CJ goes down then you keep Weigers in. I don't see that happening though. Iowa is gonna be right in the thick of things in the west and if CJ gets knocked out you gotta play the guy who gives you the best chance to win.
Let's just hope we live in a perfect world and CJ stays healthy. That's my vote.
Joshbrown
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I think we're all in agreement that if you need to replace your starter with a new starter (for whatever reason) then the #2 guy goes in. But if Iowa is up late in the game and you burn a red-shirt so a guy can get mop-up time . . . I think that's what is being debated.
MoseSchrute
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Not at freaking QB.
DFaceHawkeye
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Now that I've thought about this more. If Stanley really is good enough to push for #2 as Tr Fr, then maybe pulling the RS and getting the jitters out is worth it. If he's that good, he won't be around for 5 full years anyway. I don't know, tough call.
GrandpaHawk
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If Stanley is our #2 what's that say about Weigers who's been here for three years and will he leave.
hawkdrummer1
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Mop up time if Iowa is way ahead.... uh huh
DP5555
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Starting to seem more like the Icke vanishing act.
Nothing has changed from what I posted. Glad he is doing well. Ever occur to anyone that this may be a way of lighting a fire under Wiegers butt? Competition makes players better (normally) and if Cook wan't 'pushing
Wiegers enough, they think Stanley can? Like I have said, Stanley may be the future, but he's not the 'right now' and I still expect to see him redshirt.
Wiegers enough, they think Stanley can? Like I have said, Stanley may be the future, but he's not the 'right now' and I still expect to see him redshirt.
I'm just busier people and I don't have 'access' right now to some of my info....and I put out a lot more 'info' than the Bowers situation, but some choose to remember what they'd like. And no one seems to notice I started a thread about the flexibility of our O-line BEFORE Rob wrote an article about it and KF confirmed how the 'rotation' I cited would work. And I beat Tom Kakert out with an update on Joe Wieskamp by a week or so....he pretty much just restated everything I did, so it's funny when some of you think I just read stuff in other places and pass it off here as 'new' info. I occasionally beat the writers out with info.........
MelroseHawkins
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Agree. I think players these days are different than back in the 80's or 90's. It's all about them, for some of them.
Plus, there really isn't a lot to talk about now until the season starts. The positions are pretty much set (the coaches talk about 'battles' etc...to keep the players motivated and the fans interested) and it's just game planning and rep'ing the '2 deeps' (for a lack of a better word). Can't wait for the season to start, although we may not 'learn' a lot about the team until Iowa St., if you know what i mean..........
And it is parents, adults, and media who are putting these thoughts in their heads...it is the result of a 'selfish' nation.
