Somebody, tell me what a PG is.

Mademyaccount4u

Mademyaccount4u

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I have, for the last year, heard nothing but how JoBo is not a point guard. And, I guess I'm just wondering why. Looking at the definition of it is essentially running the offense and having ball control. The common thing I hear is that a point guard needs to be able to slash to the basket. Why does that matter? If Iowa is putting up top 25 offensive numbers, doesn't that mean we have a good point guard?

I'm not going to go into much longer of a rant, probably. But, just because someone doesn't fit your vision of a point guard doesn't mean he isn't a point guard. Hell, that's how MSU landed Magic Johnson, and he turned out to be pretty good. I look at the offense and see how other teams are doing things, if we can get 4-5 guys on the court that can shoot the 3 at a decent clip, it would be easy to really spread things out opening up the offensive even more.

As for the defensive part, does JoBo need to guard the other teams PG? I don't see how him being a 1 or a 2 matters who he guards. That is on the coaching and scheme. The games that Iowa did well were the games when the other guards or small forward were playing well, not the point guard playing poorly.
 








JoBo is the starting point guard for the University of Iowa so he must be a point guard. He didn't have an outstanding year, but he also was hurt during the year. He is fun to watch, and a lot more enjoyable to watch when he is healthy.
 


Mademyaccount4u said:
I have, for the last year, heard nothing but how JoBo is not a point guard. And, I guess I'm just wondering why. Looking at the definition of it is essentially running the offense and having ball control. The common thing I hear is that a point guard needs to be able to slash to the basket. Why does that matter? If Iowa is putting up top 25 offensive numbers, doesn't that mean we have a good point guard?

I'm not going to go into much longer of a rant, probably. But, just because someone doesn't fit your vision of a point guard doesn't mean he isn't a point guard. Hell, that's how MSU landed Magic Johnson, and he turned out to be pretty good. I look at the offense and see how other teams are doing things, if we can get 4-5 guys on the court that can shoot the 3 at a decent clip, it would be easy to really spread things out opening up the offensive even more.

As for the defensive part, does JoBo need to guard the other teams PG? I don't see how him being a 1 or a 2 matters who he guards. That is on the coaching and scheme. The games that Iowa did well were the games when the other guards or small forward were playing well, not the point guard playing poorly.
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1) PG facilitates the offense. He should be able to dribble with both hands. Go both directions. Etc.
2) Bohannon can't guard anyone. He's not quick enough to guard the 1 or the 2. He's not tall enough or strong enough to guard the 3, 4 or 5.
3). He's basically 1/2 of a Big Ten guard. At best.
 


PG makes other players better

PG puts pressure on the other team when running the offense

PG makes it difficult for the opponent's PG to penetrate the defense

If you can't do this, you really aren't a PG...you are a fill in, because there are no other options
 


lightning1 said:
1) PG facilitates the offense. He should be able to dribble with both hands. Go both directions. Etc.
2) Bohannon can't guard anyone. He's not quick enough to guard the 1 or the 2. He's not tall enough or strong enough to guard the 3, 4 or 5.
3). He's basically 1/2 of a Big Ten guard. At best.
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he is also an elite shooter. need to be fair. JBo is most definitely a B1G level player. If he was quicker with better handles he could be a mark price type. And he isn't a horrible pg. but he has limitations and those limitations hurt.
 


ArvadaHawk said:
he is also an elite shooter. need to be fair. JBo is most definitely a B1G level player. If he was quicker with better handles he could be a mark price type. And he isn't a horrible pg. but he has limitations and those limitations hurt.
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He is an elite shooter. That goes without saying.
And he's not alone on this team. He has several "1/2 a player" teammates.
 


He gets a lot of unfair criticism...even tho hes on his way towards shattering some all time records at Iowa. but the criticism he gets on the defensive end is justified. Hes just not quick enough to hang with most point guards so Iowas entire defense suffers as a result.
 


Also, if you watch today's nba...its all about court spacing. Every team spreads the court to the extreme to create spacing for slashers and pick/rolls. It's all designed around the man with the ball being able to draw in defenders for the kickout... or take their man to the hole...or create their own shot 1 on 1 vs the defender.

Bohannon cant do any of those things. He is an elite shooter, hes pretty solid taking care of the ball and entering the ball into the post. However those skills really aren't what is required for today's point guards.
 


tksirius said:
He really saved his shoulders with all those underhand passes.
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Yeah but he couldn't save his knees. The knee problems ended his career prematurely. I credit most of those passes to court vision, which I believe is a god given attribute you can't teach or instill. You can teach passing skills, but I don't believe you can teach court vision. Some players simply have the knack for seeing things half a second ahead of everybody else. Or slowing things down in their mind as they unfold in front of them. I believe it's a neurological skill, not a physical skill.
 


mopkins said:
He gets a lot of unfair criticism...even tho hes on his way towards shattering some all time records at Iowa. but the criticism he gets on the defensive end is justified. Hes just not quick enough to hang with most point guards so Iowas entire defense suffers as a result.
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so you have to balance his lack of speed with his elite shooting, right? with the current team configuration, we can't do that. JBo MUST be the pg and in my opinion, that is a double whammy. We have to keep JBo in the game for heavy minutes and we suffer on the defensive end (not for lack of effort. I would never say this kid is lazy or lacks effort; just a God given physical liability) and we suffer on offense in that each time JBo passes the ball, the ball goes to a less better shooter.
 


JBo is limited, yet talented as one SG option or as a fill in at PG...not someone who is able to play tons of minutes and carry a team.

He isn't the elite PG Iowa needs to get on the College BB map again...

But he isn't the problem...the coach is the problem, in his inability to sign (a) PG or (an) elite PG.

This, in addition to the lack of team fundamentals (coaches are supposed to teach this) and in game coaching (winning coaches can motivate and make changes before and during a game) and out of control rants (a calming presence in the midst of the storm)...well...even a moron and an idiot can see such things are at hideously low levels on the Good Ship Fran.

Somehow the AD can't see this and adds $$$$$ onto the core problem.

This team is soft, a group of underachievers, because the head coach is soft and an underachiever.
 


lightning1 said:
1) PG facilitates the offense. He should be able to dribble with both hands. Go both directions. Etc.
2) Bohannon can't guard anyone. He's not quick enough to guard the 1 or the 2. He's not tall enough or strong enough to guard the 3, 4 or 5.
3). He's basically 1/2 of a Big Ten guard. At best.
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Not 1/2 as he cant breakdown a D with speed. His 1/3 is really good.
 


Mademyaccount4u said:
I have, for the last year, heard nothing but how JoBo is not a point guard. And, I guess I'm just wondering why. Looking at the definition of it is essentially running the offense and having ball control. The common thing I hear is that a point guard needs to be able to slash to the basket. Why does that matter? If Iowa is putting up top 25 offensive numbers, doesn't that mean we have a good point guard?

I'm not going to go into much longer of a rant, probably. But, just because someone doesn't fit your vision of a point guard doesn't mean he isn't a point guard. Hell, that's how MSU landed Magic Johnson, and he turned out to be pretty good. I look at the offense and see how other teams are doing things, if we can get 4-5 guys on the court that can shoot the 3 at a decent clip, it would be easy to really spread things out opening up the offensive even more.

As for the defensive part, does JoBo need to guard the other teams PG? I don't see how him being a 1 or a 2 matters who he guards. That is on the coaching and scheme. The games that Iowa did well were the games when the other guards or small forward were playing well, not the point guard playing poorly.
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Fran,
There are 2 issues with your observations.

1. You ssy your team is great at offensive output yet cant run a half court. Your breakout leaves the D vulnerable.

2. The point is where the D starts and that position is leaving the D a half step behind for the rest and makes them reactionary rather that dictating.

Bonus. CM will have the same weaknesses except longer wingspan with is mixed.
 


HawkGold said:
Fran,
There are 2 issues with your observations.

1. You ssy your team is great at offensive output yet cant run a half court. Your breakout leaves the D vulnerable.

2. The point is where the D starts and that position is leaving the D a half step behind for the rest and makes them reactionary rather that dictating.

Bonus. CM will have the same weaknesses except longer wingspan with is mixed.
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I think CM has better lateral quickness, which is helped by his length, and he has better handles and is a decent shooter. CM will be an improvement on the pg liabilities; not a savior for them, but improvement.
 


To answer the OP, go to the dictionary and look up Lester, Ronnie. And back then a point guard was even more important because you didn't have the modern four out one in offenses, there was no shot clock, and there was no five second guarding rule. A smart Ball handling point guard could single handedly close out a game.

I've said before that Lester was as good as Isiah Thomas before Ronnie hurt his knee and I will stick to it.
 


Northside Hawk said:
To answer the OP, go to the dictionary and look up Lester, Ronnie. And back then a point guard was even more important because you didn't have the modern four out one in offenses, there was no shot clock, and there was no five second guarding rule. A smart Ball handling point guard could single handedly close out a game.

I've said before that Lester was as good as Isiah Thomas before Ronnie hurt his knee and I will stick to it.
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amen, NH. Amen.
 


I’ve never understood the Bohannon isn’t a PG take.

PGs come in many different versions now. JBo is a good passer and creates in a different way by spacing the floor because of his shooting.

Now because JBo isn’t your drive and create guy, we need Moss or Weiskamp to be able to take the ball late and be able to create and get their own shot.

JBos issue is defense which has nothing to do with the position he plays on offense.
 
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