Snyder torn ACL

[spliff45]

Same knee previusly hurt. Damn...

Chad Leistikow‏Verified account @ChadLeistikow now

Kirk Ferentz confirms: Brandon Snyder having surgery. It's the same knee. He hurt it in the Illinois game. Torn ACL again.

 

[hawkdrummer1]

kid can't catch a break... damn.

 

[ArvadaHawk]

get Stone out there and get him ready for '18. 2018 could be a big big season for us. Get next seasons lb's in there also. give 'em reps.

 

[ArvadaHawk]

i'd always felt he was coming back to soon. i'm sure he was cleared by the docs, but still, that was too fast. he's gonna be out of commission until '19, now.

 

[tksirius]

i'd always felt he was coming back to soon. i'm sure he was cleared by the docs, but still, that was too fast. he's gonna be out of commission until '19, now.

Absolutely! Haven't torn ACL, but had Meniscus repaired and shoulders worked on. His return was way too early. Should have just taken the redshirt for the year.

 

[ArvadaHawk]

Absolutely! Haven't torn ACL, but had Meniscus repaired and shoulders worked on. His return was way too early. Should have just taken the redshirt for the year.

Hooker likely had something to do with his decision; along with being competitive.

 

[sodakhawkeye]

Here come all the medical experts saying he was coming back to fast. Love the 20-20 hindsight.

It's been reported multiple times by a multitude of people that he is not eligible for a medical redshirt. So why not try to play? Any of you have any idea what he did to be able to come back and play this year? His goal was to get back and play this year, to help the team this year. There is no medical red shirt for him.

 

[tksirius]

Here come all the medical experts saying he was coming back to fast. Love the 20-20 hindsight.

It's been reported multiple times by a multitude of people that he is not eligible for a medical redshirt. So why not try to play? Any of you have any idea what he did to be able to come back and play this year? His goal was to get back and play this year, to help the team this year. There is no medical red shirt for him.

My bad on the redshirt, but he does have another year to play. To answer your first question; well, obviously tearing the acl again because it wasn't strong enough seems like a very excellent reason. Doesn't matter if it's hindsight or not, it was a very poor decision to play.

 

[1hawkeye1]

Sadly, I doubt that he will ever be the same player again.

 

[homes]

i'd always felt he was coming back to soon. i'm sure he was cleared by the docs, but still, that was too fast. he's gonna be out of commission until '19, now.

I disagree. Doctor's clearances is what you can go on. I don't know what they told him, doubtful any of us do, but I'm presuming someone along the way would have asked, "is this too soon, will it get better if we wait a year". That's the first question I would have asked when discussing when he could come back, and I'm not that smart, so I presume people around Brandon would have come up with some variation of this question. Then, I can only presume the doctors answered that he's good to go. I haven't heard that the second tear is connected to the status of the first ACL repair. I'm open to hearing about this, and would accede to the notion at that point that he came back too soon. Until then, my faith is in the doctors who cleared him, and would chalk this up to an unfortunate circumstance, regardless of timing.

 

[tksirius]

I disagree. Doctor's clearances is what you can go on. I don't know what they told him, doubtful any of us do, but I'm presuming someone along the way would have asked, "is this too soon, will it get better if we wait a year". That's the first question I would have asked when discussing when he could come back, and I'm not that smart, so I presume people around Brandon would have come up with some variation of this question. Then, I can only presume the doctors answered that he's good to go. I haven't heard that the second tear is connected to the status of the first ACL repair. I'm open to hearing about this, and would accede to the notion at that point that he came back too soon. Until then, my faith is in the doctors who cleared him, and would chalk this up to an unfortunate circumstance, regardless of timing.

According to my own surgeon (who works on & travels with an P5 FB program), there is a maturation process to repaired ligaments and an athlete can definitely return too early. I'm not saying it's what definitely caused it, but it is naive to rule it out, IMO.

 

[HawkInATX]

ACL tears are horrible and they definitely do linger for most people. But in general (this is verifiable, look it up if you want, but this isn't a medical forum), ACL tears take, on average, between 6 and 12 months to return to 100%. This is mitigated or hindered by a lot of factors. Age is a highly important one. The younger you are, the more quickly you are likely to recover. However, not all ACL tears are alike, and with some, depending on the severity and the healing, you will never get back to 100%. I've seen multiple sources that say that surgery on and ACL itself is even a gamble, as if it fails, you are not likely to ever see 100% again.

Another compounding factor is the mental aspect. It's one of the most debilitating of sports injuries and it often causes athletes to alter the way they run, cut, jump, or push off or even cause them to avoid contact. This can actually increase the likelihood of re-tearing the ACL. Having torn an ACL (without health insurance at the time, either), I can tell you for certain that it does mess with your mind. Even now, 5 or so years after I tore mine, I've reaggravated it and sprained my knee several times since and any time I do any kind of sporting activity, I wear a pretty beefy brace.

Long story short, it's not inconceivable that he was 100% in 6 months, especially considering his age and the Iowa staff's history with strength and conditioning. It may also be that he wasn't 100% but it was never going to get any better than 90%. What's really unfortunate is that this kid was a hard worker, and it's really sad to see him endure one of the harshest injuries in sport, not just once but twice.

 

[Fryowa]

According to my own surgeon (who works on & travels with an P5 FB program), there is a maturation process to repaired ligaments and an athlete can definitely return too early. I'm not saying it's what definitely caused it, but it is naive to rule it out, IMO.

I was told the same thing by my orthopedic surgeon in 2013. I was hit on a bike and had a torn labrum in my right shoulder; he told me that the maximum strength in the repaired area would take from 18-24 months. I was told to avoid things like pull ups, dips, rock climbing (which I've never done in my life) until that time because even if I felt fine I could tear it again. After that period I could do whatever I want because it would be as strong as it was going to get.

I am not a surgeon (or even remotely intelligent for that matter); just repeating what was told to me and making a logical assumption that his ACL was possibly weaker than it would have been next spring.

 

[HawkGold]

The odds of a re-tear are 6 times higher within 2 years compared to someone who never had a tear. Imagine football increases those odds. Like HawkATX said, the mental aspect is very difficult. It's hard to trust the knee. 13 years ago I blew out my knee in a soccer match. That day I kicked a 48 yard field goal (3 step) for fun at a Big Spring open house with plenty to spare. We kept backing up and they made me quit at 48 as we were taking up too much space. Today I can't do an extra point. For many it's never the same. Can't play softball at all.

Don't expect him to be back. If he does get back, great...

 

[MelroseHawkins]

I'm no doctor, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

 

[Fryowa]

Don't expect him to be back. If he does get back, great...

Knowing that he's not NFL material and that after 2 ACL tears a pro team wouldn't touch you with a 10 foot pole anyway, at what point do you cut your losses and decide that it would suck to be hobbled for the rest of your life and call it a career?

I know it's not an easy question, and that having a 19 year-old mind along with being a fierce competitor makes it a different story. If I were that age and had that talent it'd be hard to pry me away. Now? No question that I'd be long gone.

 

[sodakhawkeye]

ACL tears are horrible and they definitely do linger for most people. But in general (this is verifiable, look it up if you want, but this isn't a medical forum), ACL tears take, on average, between 6 and 12 months to return to 100%. This is mitigated or hindered by a lot of factors. Age is a highly important one. The younger you are, the more quickly you are likely to recover. However, not all ACL tears are alike, and with some, depending on the severity and the healing, you will never get back to 100%. I've seen multiple sources that say that surgery on and ACL itself is even a gamble, as if it fails, you are not likely to ever see 100% again.
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The following is coming from a highly regarded medical professional. the reason for the lengthy returns is more geared towards the atrophy of the muscles around the ACL than the ACL itself. Quad strength is huge in this aspect.

 

[sodakhawkeye]

My bad on the redshirt, but he does have another year to play. To answer your first question; well, obviously tearing the acl again because it wasn't strong enough seems like a very excellent reason. Doesn't matter if it's hindsight or not, it was a very poor decision to play.

He was medically cleared by a multitude of people. Starting with the surgeon, the training staff and eventually the coaching staff. I would say that's pushing double digits in people that had to say "yes, he's ready" before he could play. it wasnt Brandon telling coach he was ready so he played

 

[homes]

Per HawkInATX : Long story short, it's not inconceivable that he was 100% in 6 months, especially considering his age and the Iowa staff's history with strength and conditioning. It may also be that he wasn't 100% but it was never going to get any better than 90%. What's really unfortunate is that this kid was a hard worker, and it's really sad to see him endure one of the harshest injuries in sport, not just once but twice.

This is the best that any of us can say, unless someone has unique information about Brandon's injury, surgery and recovery. Again, I trust his doctors' advice on greenlighting his return.

 

[mrolympia]

Hooker likely had something to do with his decision; along with being competitive.

athletes always want to compete even if they're in a wheel chair because to two broken legs