MelroseHawkins
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Maybe he should coach our USA women's national soccer team.
Should Beth Goetz Rescind Brian's Contract Stipulations?
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InGoodCo
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Iowa fans are not settling dude, Iowa has the 16th most wins in CFB the last 10 years. That's not settling, that is thriving. If you are unhappy with that, I don't know that you can be convinced of anything.
HawkPowerlifter
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My question is where is Barnett's accountability in this whole equation? What I see is the problem is the execution of the offensive line. While BF is the OC, I think many have forgotten that Barnett is the O-line coach.
The offense is nothing new really. We do the same or similar things year after year. It's execution. The football world when they speak of Iowa will say they run basic schemes, but their technique and execution is what separates them from other teams.
I have also heard others blame some of the decent on the exit of Doyle, but I just am not sure if that's the case. Thoughts?
The offense is nothing new really. We do the same or similar things year after year. It's execution. The football world when they speak of Iowa will say they run basic schemes, but their technique and execution is what separates them from other teams.
I have also heard others blame some of the decent on the exit of Doyle, but I just am not sure if that's the case. Thoughts?
InGoodCo
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Our poor line play coincides with Doyle leaving but with how Iowa is developing Dlineman right now, it's hard to imagine that it's Doyle. I think most of this handwringing is kind of a moot point. The offense looked better last week. It's a work in progress, but they took shots down field, got 9 different WR's involved... scored 3 TD's (They only scored 16 total last year). I think Iowa is going to have an above average offense this year but it's going to take time to develop.
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The fans that are ok with an offense ranked in the 100s while going 8-5 to me are settling yeah... Maybe we have different definitions of that but is what it is. Sure things could be worse I suppose that's a point of yours as well. But that's where the settling comes into play. Iowa hasn't won any league titles lately have they? They haven't been to the playoffs or been nationally relevant to that extent. There's plenty of room for improvement and not striving for it when your O is terrible to me is the epitome of settling...
Those that brag about being Big 10 west champs can bite me. To me that's a stepping stone goal but it shouldn't be the goal. The west has been a hot mess for almost it's duration. Glad it's going away
InGoodCo
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No one has won any league titles except for 2 teams in the B1G in some time. That's not an Iowa thing. Sorry we aren't living up to your expectations of being better that Ohio State and Michigan, but that's likely not going to happen very often ever any time soon or did it happen very often in the past. You have to kind of look at the reality of things here. 1 team has won 11 of the last 20 league titles.
The West has been very competitive and the B1G is by far the 2nd best conference in the country, so let's not act like there is some super division in some other conference that is leaps and bounds better than what the West has. Hell, you could argue that the EAST has been basically 2 teams and everyone else, the West has been way more competitive. Purdue has won it, Wisconson has won it, Northwestern has won it multiple times, MN has been on the uptick, IL suddenly seems legit. Iowa has been solid, the worse team is Nebraska...that's not a mess IMO, it's competitive balance. The west's record against the east is pretty good as well, and Iowa's record against west teams is also pretty good.
Iowa is striving to be better. They have won 8 + games in 7 of the 8 last seasons and the season they didn't was the Covid year they went 6-2. That is far from settling for anything. Being 16th in wins the last decade is not settling, you'll never convince me otherwise. Can we be better? Yes.... approx 15 teams have been better than Iowa in the last decade. Those 15 teams are our peers that we want to try and get ahead of. I can live with that, that's pretty good.
kicker22
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Never sniffed the playoffs? Kind of an exaggeration since we were a score away from a Big Ten Championship in 2015 and a playoff birth, but can't argue with you.
IMO the biggest joke in the 325 clause isn't the 25ppg itself, but the fact that the termination would be in June of 2024. All but guaranteeing it means we'd be hiring an OC from within that close to the start of the season and BF will most likely remain with the team as a position coach. The whole thing makes me laugh and honestly I can't help but laugh. To be totally honest I'd be rolling if any other program in the country did this so I still find it hilarious because we're the running joke and have been and all we can do is sit back and take it.
kicker22
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Agree entirely with this post. The same media and fanbases that are laughing about are offense are the same ones that understand how good our defense is and what Iowa football is about. I honestly think the national perception is watch out if Iowa ever gets an offense.
HawkPowerlifter
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I think the whole contract clause was to fan the flames of an unhappy fan base. Barta had to find a way to quiet or appease the fans. It was a band aid, but it morphed when media ran with it. Now, it's a running joke.
Mark Helfrich, former Oregon coach, even touched on it on FS1 how it's a distraction and was a bad idea. At the end of the day, I would think that if we some how win 9+ games and we average (let's say) 24 ppg, I cannot see the U of I following through with firing him.
I would assume if BF does not meet criteria and they want to stick with the contract, BF will somehow find another job in the NFL or elsewhere, and a spin will be put on it to appear he moved on prior to any firing.
My hope is for optimism and that the O-line will gel and the team continues to make strides forward on offense. I did see some positive in the pass protection and passing. My only fear is Iowa State runs a 3-5-5 defense that does give some teams trouble.
At the end of the day, I just want some wins.
Mark Helfrich, former Oregon coach, even touched on it on FS1 how it's a distraction and was a bad idea. At the end of the day, I would think that if we some how win 9+ games and we average (let's say) 24 ppg, I cannot see the U of I following through with firing him.
I would assume if BF does not meet criteria and they want to stick with the contract, BF will somehow find another job in the NFL or elsewhere, and a spin will be put on it to appear he moved on prior to any firing.
My hope is for optimism and that the O-line will gel and the team continues to make strides forward on offense. I did see some positive in the pass protection and passing. My only fear is Iowa State runs a 3-5-5 defense that does give some teams trouble.
At the end of the day, I just want some wins.
Fryowa
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Whether or not one thinks Iowa is doing great or stuck in stagnant mediocrity, the contract stipulation was a stupid move. You don't set public performance ultimatums in the workplace because they're nothing but a distraction and it creates a spectacle.
Worse than that, you don't set ultimatums that have no teeth because at that point it's a total farce. Every single one of us know that if BF scores 10 pts a game this year and goes 5-7 he ain't getting fired. The rest of the college football world knows it too. So what we have is a laughing stock regardless of how you think Iowa performs relative to other teams.
Barry Farta was the absolute worst manager I've ever seen in my life, public or professional, when it comes to PR. Absolute worst. Completely tone deaf and blind in regard to public perception. We've seen enough of Goetz at this point IMO to see that she is orders of magnitude more savvy than Uncle Snaggletooth even on his best day. She's smart enough to recognize how ridiculous that clause was, and her silence on the issue is a statement that addressing such ridiculousness would be beneath her intelligence level...which it is.
She's going to let that question die a slow death until the end of the year at which point Farta's last PR disasterfest will vanish into nothing. Which she should.
Worse than that, you don't set ultimatums that have no teeth because at that point it's a total farce. Every single one of us know that if BF scores 10 pts a game this year and goes 5-7 he ain't getting fired. The rest of the college football world knows it too. So what we have is a laughing stock regardless of how you think Iowa performs relative to other teams.
Barry Farta was the absolute worst manager I've ever seen in my life, public or professional, when it comes to PR. Absolute worst. Completely tone deaf and blind in regard to public perception. We've seen enough of Goetz at this point IMO to see that she is orders of magnitude more savvy than Uncle Snaggletooth even on his best day. She's smart enough to recognize how ridiculous that clause was, and her silence on the issue is a statement that addressing such ridiculousness would be beneath her intelligence level...which it is.
She's going to let that question die a slow death until the end of the year at which point Farta's last PR disasterfest will vanish into nothing. Which she should.
Fryowa
Administrator
Couple things here people aren't thinking of...
Iowa is 16th in FBS in wins in the past decade. But...even that is misleading because Iowa got screwed out of 3 almost certain non-con wins and a 4th against a down Michigan team in 2020. Add 3 (and probably 4) wins to our total and we are in 10th place behind LSU.
Even considering 16th place, Iowa is in the 88th FBS percentile in wins in the last decade. 115 teams have performed worse and only 15 performed better.
Michigan has exactly one more win than Iowa in the last decade.
I can't stand BF for a lot of reasons, and I want to score more points, and I know that scoring more points would've put us higher on that list. But some of you frickin' dorks don't know how good you have it, and your asses are going to be real sorry once KF is gone and Levar gets hired away. We will be nebraska at that point so enjoy this shit for the few years it still has left.
KF iis a great coach, but to me his legacy will be shit because he was too nepotistic to see that he had one of the best and brightest up and coming assistants on his staff who should've been a no-brainer for OC when this d-bag we have now got hired. That assistant was the last chance for Hayden Fry's legacy and way of running a program to continue, he wants to stay in IC for god's sake, and Kurt sank the ship's future rather than tell his kid to go learn to drive on a golf cart instead of giving him the keys to a Corvette.
Levar Woods will head coach a team to multiple playoffs. Write that down. And it ain't gonna be Iowa.
Fryowa
Administrator
Oh and I forgot...
Iowa is 12th in Power 5 total wins.
Boise State, SDSU, UCF, and Cincinnati (until they start Big 8 schedules) play in JV conferences.
kicker22
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I'm sure it's not a popular opinion, but here's how I weigh in on "who's to blame" argument. KF is the head of the program and is ultimately responsible for all aspects of the program. Which include offense, defense, and special teams. Whether he micromanages or not he is in control and responsible whether he delegates that or not.
People who blame KF for the offensive struggles are quick to say that Parker is the saving face of the program. Why? Because he's the DC and the face of the Iowa Defense that is an elite unit operating within KF's umbrella. BF however is the OC and the face of the offense. All his job duties revolve around the offense which has been a struggle to put it nicely.
So whether it's scheme, micromanaging, or simply efficiency I will put a little of the blame on KF, but the bulk of it on BF. Whether it's a fair assessment or not KF is the big picture and gets credit for all aspects of the team. He gets a failing grade (or subpar grade) for offense, but high marks for defense and special teams. Parker as DC gets off the charts grade because the group he oversees that his name is tied to does exceptionally well and "wins games despite our offense". Unfortunately that leaves BF and I cannot give him a passing grade for performance when the offense that he solely is involved with, and coordinates, fails to produce and struggles.
People who blame KF for the offensive struggles are quick to say that Parker is the saving face of the program. Why? Because he's the DC and the face of the Iowa Defense that is an elite unit operating within KF's umbrella. BF however is the OC and the face of the offense. All his job duties revolve around the offense which has been a struggle to put it nicely.
So whether it's scheme, micromanaging, or simply efficiency I will put a little of the blame on KF, but the bulk of it on BF. Whether it's a fair assessment or not KF is the big picture and gets credit for all aspects of the team. He gets a failing grade (or subpar grade) for offense, but high marks for defense and special teams. Parker as DC gets off the charts grade because the group he oversees that his name is tied to does exceptionally well and "wins games despite our offense". Unfortunately that leaves BF and I cannot give him a passing grade for performance when the offense that he solely is involved with, and coordinates, fails to produce and struggles.
You miss my point. It's not even just that we haven't been winning titles. It's that many are just ok with that. Totally content with 8-5 seasons. Last yr was fine. Having the worst O in the country pretty much is fine we won't get rid of the OC due to it. Having a bad O is fine as long as the D is great and we are better then 6 wins all is ok. I just can't get down with that.
A bunch of mediocre teams being competitive amongst one another doesn't make it good necessarily... Anyone outside the BIG footprint would say the relevance meter doesn't go much past OSU Michigan and PSU. That's just a straight up opinion though I recognize that.
If you flip around on tv you'll see every single former coach/player that has spoken to this has the same take on it. No coach would want a clause like that for himself or their coordinators. It's ridiculous and counter productive if anything at all.
And yeah end of the day if BF doesn't get to the 25 pt avg all that means is that the contract he currently has gets torn up. It doesn't mean they can't get him another one with a raise... Which makes the absurdity of it all just that more obvious.
pythagoras
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That's the worst AI iv'e seen in some time lol
Barta was backed into a corner by the BF oc situation. It was obviously a nepatism hire, but with BF sucking so bad, he either had to fire BF or come up with some ridiculous alternative.
SCHawkeye2
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Above average offense for Iowa?
Or above average for FBS?
