Seven, Eight Wins Next Season

I'm not going to say that "everything is going to be okay" on D ... because, with an injury or two at a few spots, all of a sudden we're looking at a D that could potentially be somewhere inbetween the '05 and '06 Ds.

However, if by some miracle Binns and Daniels (among others) are able to remain healthy for the D ... then I truly believe that the 2011 D has the potential to develop into a VERY good group.

In the spring, given our current situation of having a pretty good O and a pretty young/inexperienced D ... it makes sense that the D was a bit underwhelming. I'd say that right now that folks who were looking at the D this spring was seeing a group that had to contend with the following issues:

- the group had to find a new set of leaders
- many personnel groups on D were probably a bit behind due to rhabo
- Nardo, Bigach, DiBona, and Miller didn't participate in much (or all) of spring practice. Those are 4 guys who are very likely on the depth chart.
- Hyde was still new to the FS spot.
- the D will still potentially have around 2 TR FR who could potentially earn spots on the depth chart (I'm particularly thinking about Campell/Lomax and Cooper there)
- lastly, if Donavan Johnson can remain eligible and be able to refocus on football ... he's a guy who's capable of being "a force"

Lastly, the '05 and '06 squads suffered from not really playing with the right attitude. Through the past few years, the Iowa squad has played with a much better overall attitude.


The highlighted is the million dollar statement. 2005 was the beginning, 2006 was the explosion and 2007 was the digging out.....This team “needsâ€￾ that Iowa attitude to really excel. It’s what we were built on and what we are all about…..we have more talent now than ever but we NEED to play with that attitude as well.

Chad
 
I never predict wins and losses but if I did I sure in the hell wouldn't make my predictions based on what I saw in a spring practice. wasn't there like 7 or 8 guys sitting out? The freshman aren't even on campus yet. Ferentz doesn't put too much into it so neither will I
 
This is just my perspective, however, for Iowa to "only" have a 6 or 7 win regular season ... the "wheels" have to come off the proverbial car for that to happen. Just look at the "evidence:"

- throw '01 out, the program was still the process of learning how to win
- '05 featured a team that wasn't all there concerning "attitude." Drew Tate had said as much in multiple interviews ... and I believe him. Not only was the D largely revamped ... featuring 6 first-year starters, 4 of whom being D-linemen ... but we were also seeing the onset of a "culture of entitlement." All the same, if you recall the Michigan and Northwestern games that year ... then you recall how close we were to having a 9-win regular season. Another element to the '05 season is that expectations where SKY HIGH after the Cap One bowl victory. Thus, our early and rather lopsided losses to ISU and tOSU set a bad "tone" for the rest of the season.
- In '06, injuries struck big and bad ... and that was coupled with pretty lofty expectations too. As a result, the wheels didn't only come off ... but the axels got shorn off too. If anything good came out of the '06 season, it was the purging of the culture of entitlement. This was one of the very few times when I've ever heard Ferentz speak of our squad with such disappointment and disgust.
- In '07 we were just crazy-young and had to contend with all sorts of off-field issues, injuries, and the like. I liked the attitude of the team ... however, we simply had to deal with too much inexperience at too many critical spots. Folks don't necessarily realize it ... but it was a bloody miracle that we even managed to get bowl eligible that year. All the same, we didn't go bowling because we failed to beat "lowly" Western Michigan.
- In '10 we got knocked by a bunch of injuries ... and then the losses seemed to undercut the team morale.

A recurring theme is that the health of the program is pretty central to our success. Also, what is comparably important is having great leadership on the field and having the guys play with the right attitude. When the attitude AND leadership isn't there ... then the team as a whole tends to suffer.

And lastly, as much as I hate to admit it ... our squad seems to respond pretty poorly to high expectations. Whenever expectations aren't met ... the team seems to lose its edge. That sucks because there's no way on earth that our D should have gotten pushed around by Minny like they were last season.

Anyhow, the GOOD NEWS is that I think that the Hawks do not suffer from any systemic "attitude issues" like we did back in '05 and '06. Furthermore, the program really isn't forced to "rebuild" like it had to in '07. The BIG ISSUE is whether the team can remain healthy and whether STRONG LEADERS will emerge. Quite frankly, I like our personnel on O and I think that guys like Daniels, Binns, Morris, Nielsen, and Hyde are capable of being VERY good leaders for the D. If key guys can remain healthy ... I think that the sky is the limit for the '11 Hawks. However, if too much $hit hits the fan .... then we could certainly see a replay of one of our disappointing seasons.


Homer,

Pretty much word for word those are my thoughts as well and I've said it elsewhere before.

Chad
 
I never predict wins and losses but if I did I sure in the hell wouldn't make my predictions based on what I saw in a spring practice. wasn't there like 7 or 8 guys sitting out? The freshman aren't even on campus yet. Ferentz doesn't put too much into it so neither will I




Yes, solid logical thinking and I too try to avoid the “predictionâ€￾ game. My thought is to find a base line for what this team should pretty much always do based on resources, talent, coaching and history.

Too me, 9 is the cut off to a “solidâ€￾ season…

Chad
 
Iowa rarely plays well in Ames. Also, this is Iowa State's bowl game and Rhodes will have his team jacked sky high for the game.
Starting this already, huh? Is it awesome to beat Iowa, and do we look forward to doing it? Hell yes! Of course we are going to make a big deal out of beating a team you rarely do, until recently, against an in state team. But can we stop with the "it's their bowl game" crap. I would take a loss to Iowa and go on an actual bowl game trip any day of the week.

But anyways, you guys lost A LOT. I agree that you will probably win 7 to 8, if anyone cares. :)
 
Starting this already, huh? Is it awesome to beat Iowa, and do we look forward to doing it? Hell yes! Of course we are going to make a big deal out of beating a team you rarely do, until recently, against an in state team. But can we stop with the "it's their bowl game" crap. I would take a loss to Iowa and go on an actual bowl game trip any day of the week.

But anyways, you guys lost A LOT. I agree that you will probably win 7 to 8, if anyone cares. :)

You had it right until you decided to throw in "until recently". :)

Iowa is 6-2 against ISU since that fluke 5 game winning streak ended almost a decade ago.
 
You had it right until you decided to throw in "until recently". :)

Iowa is 6-2 against ISU since that fluke 5 game winning streak ended almost a decade ago.
Honest question. Why is it a fluke? Ohio St has a 4 game winning streak over you. Is that a fluke?
 
Starting this already, huh? Is it awesome to beat Iowa, and do we look forward to doing it? Hell yes! Of course we are going to make a big deal out of beating a team you rarely do, until recently, against an in state team. But can we stop with the "it's their bowl game" crap. I would take a loss to Iowa and go on an actual bowl game trip any day of the week.

But anyways, you guys lost A LOT. I agree that you will probably win 7 to 8, if anyone cares. :)

I'd agree ... I don't think that the Iowa game is "the game" for Iowa State anymore. I think that was more a relic of the Danny Mac days. I think that Chiz and then CPR have done a good job of placing more emphasis on the Big 12 conference season. As a result, ISU has been a bit more "respectable" in Big 12 play. I was pretty proud of how ISU fared against Mizzou at the end of last season.

However, I will say that if the the in-state rivalry game really is in jeapordy of going away ... then fan-bases from BOTH programs will view the last game in the match-up with all that much more intensity.

While I know that ISU fans seem pretty optimistic about their O ... the O still has to replace A LOT in my eyes. ARob, Arnaud, Lamaak, and Franklin are all VERY significant losses for the Clones. Furthermore, Williams was almost like ISU's version of Hinkel ... the dude had a knack for getting open and he was pretty reliable when it came to catching the ball ... definitely a guy who is a bit underappreciated by Clone fans.

Thus, as I see it ... Iowa's relative weakness will be on D. However, that very unit is matched-up against ISU's relative weakness ... the O. Similarly, ISU's strength should be its D ... and Iowa's strength should be its O. Even though ISU arguably holds the special teams advantage and the home-field advantage ... I still like the match-up of Iowa's O against ISU's D. Even though ISU has a pretty salty and experienced DL ... Iowa's OL could very well be one of the best units in the country ... expectations are sky high on the OL. Similarly, while Knott and Klein are truly excellent LBs ... there's always that much pressure on opposing LBs when playing against Iowa's O. They're going to have to worry A LOT about the run .... and yet if they even have one misread ... Iowa can break big plays directed to their RBs or TEs in the passing game. Lastly, while Benton is really good and has moved over to safety ... ISU is still going to be a bit green at the safety spot. There's no way that a Clone fan can say otherwise ... because, Iowa is in the same boat at safety and you're not going to catch me say that Iowa will not be a bit green at safety.

Also, a rather underplayed card by Iowa fans is that while the D lacks starting experience ... it remains a fact that there are A LOT of upperclassmen on Iowa's depth chart. Iowa's D will likely have 6 upperclassmen on the DL depth chart, 2 upperclassmen on the LB depth chart, and 5 or 6 upperclassmen on the DB depth chart.
 
Homer,

Pretty much word for word those are my thoughts as well and I've said it elsewhere before.

Chad

Chad,

That just tells me that we both pay close attention to the question of WHY the program floundered during those few seasons. Many fans just care about the bottom line and then think that "we suck" when we lose a lot ... and think that "we're awesome" when we win a lot. Many fans simply don't break things down into context. And, what's funny is that the "question of why" we're good or bad is drenched in context.
 
Homer and Chad I think your attitude explanations are valid, however Iowa is going to be green on the unit that made the team in the successful seasons of '08 and '09. Iowa has had very good defensive lines the last three seasons. Iowa has had an incredible run of corners and stability at the Safety position for all three of those seasons and also excellent linebackers until the injuries last season. In a perfect world Iowa would reload, but we are losing three players at the key position for the defense- DL. It is nice that Iowa has 2 proven commodities in Binns and Daniels but again they play on the same side (Daniels has played both spots but generally lined up as the LDT. Iowa will have a new weak-side linebacker replacing one of the best players in the Ferentz era at defending the run, most likely two of the best safeties of the Ferentz era in the (assuming Hyde goes back to corner) and a middle linebacker that is still young, although he has a very high ceiling.

When Iowa has had to rely on the offense to bail out the defense- '05 and '06 come to mind, those haven't been the type of seasons that have met the Ferentz template for success. I hope that Iowa fills all the spots on the defense incredibly well, but the fact is we will be returning the fewest impact players in the league. Our division will be tough with Northwestern bringing back nearly every key player from last season and they are incredibly strong on both lines and probably have the most effective QB in the league. Nebraska is similar to Iowa in that they have a ton to replace on defense but the still boast a very solid defensive line, Michigan State lost a few O-lineman and two very good linebackers but already boast likely NFL QB and a ton of talent at every skill position. Michigan has a defense that will be very talented at every level that will be much better coached and a dangerous weapon in Robinson along with a talented young line. Only Minnesota has a questionable talent level and they will at least receive competent coaching now.

If Iowa is picked 3rd or 4th in our division in pre-season magazines we shouldn't cry about it but realize we lost a ton of talent. It is possible 9 players from Iowa will hear their name called this weekend. At least 7 will and I think that Reisner, Tarpinian, Hunter and Vandervelde all have a shot.

Do we have some intriguing talent returning, yes. Are their reasons for optimism, yes but KOK is still in charge of the offense, we have no proven depth at RB, wide receiver, linebacker, safety, and most importantly QB. Thats a lot of holes. The other teams just in our division are solid and 5 of them (including us) were bowl bound last season.

ISU is not a game I am worried about. First time QBs really struggle when facing Iowa and Prater and Hyde (wherever he line up) will bolster the secondary against a team that will likely have a similar bell curve to Iowa over the coming seasons- struggle early and improve as the season rolls along. As long as Coker is healthy for that game Iowa should win by 2 or more TDs.
 
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I get all of your thoughts and really next year’s effort and attitude is the MOST important thing for this team. I am not predicting anything, but I will say if we can get a little momentum and good fortune all the pieces are once again there.

Your thoughts on defense are very valid, so I will only point out what I see………

1st Daniels and Binns have a legitimate shot to be All-Big 10 performers, and will both likely be drafted, Binns for sure. In 2005 we lost ALL 4 DL’s and still fielded a top 25 or 30 D by season’s end. We have a history of finding D-linemen and we will again.

At Lber, when we lost Nielsen it completely changed our defense last year. He is a future NLF Lber and will be one of the best in the League this year if he stays healthy. Morris is no longer inexperienced & I don’t expect him to play as if he is. Dibona looked very solid this year and we got Hitchens and Kirksey valuable experience late year and in the spring. Also Davis is serviceable as well.

At DB I honestly don’t remember us having more talent there….I saw all I needed to out of Miller when they left him on a island with no one behind him vs Mizzou in the bowl game and all he did was come up and stick a tackle. He misses and it goes the distance and we likely lose….that’s pretty heady stuff as a 2-star freshmen sfty. Lowery didn’t RS because the staff is in love with what he brings to the table and quite frankly Castillo is way better than many an Iowa fan realizes.

Hyde and Prater will both play in the NFL and Bernstein only needs to get healthy

In short, Iowa next year will play Hyde, Prater, Nielsen, Binns, Daniels (probably), Rieff, Zeus, Herman, Gettis (maybe) and McNutt who all have very realistic shots at being NFL draft picks the following year. That doesn’t count the Morris’s, or Cokers or Davis’ or Vandy’s, etc, that history tells us are future draft picks that we will have in 2 or 3 years.

The point being the talent is there, we need that “effort” or extra heart beat to really make it happen.

Chad
 
We also need attitude and guts from our coaches. I'd like to think they can fix the teams game management problems, but then again they have been here 10 years.
 
It was a fluke because ISU hasn't won 2 in a row since that time.

OSU isn't a fluke, it would be if Iowa had that over OSU though.

If that makes you feel better. Why is it that anytime we do something good against you in football it's a fluke?
 
We also need attitude and guts from our coaches. I'd like to think they can fix the teams game management problems, but then again they have been here 10 years.



I guess I don't get the "guts" thing........this is the same staff that has led us to the best 10 year win total in Iowa history so I guess I'll live with their failings as well. I’d tell the LSU fans the same thing……..Miles has his failings but they win a lot of football games with him as coach as well.

Everyone has their warts….

Chad
 
If that makes you feel better. Why is it that anytime we do something good against you in football it's a fluke?


For what its worth, although I wouldn't have made the same comment he did, I've been on ISU's board and their fans say the same silly things ours do, so I'd take it up with them.

Chad
 
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Aside from how many games we will win, what kind of O do you guys think we will have?

I am hoping for JV to resemble Tate, and hoping the offensive stats will be somewhere on par with the 2004 season.
 
Homer and Chad I think your attitude explanations are valid, however Iowa is going to be green on the unit that made the team in the successful seasons of '08 and '09. Iowa has had very good defensive lines the last three seasons. Iowa has had an incredible run of corners and stability at the Safety position for all three of those seasons and also excellent linebackers until the injuries last season. In a perfect world Iowa would reload, but we are losing three players at the key position for the defense- DL. It is nice that Iowa has 2 proven commodities in Binns and Daniels but again they play on the same side (Daniels has played both spots but generally lined up as the LDT. Iowa will have a new weak-side linebacker replacing one of the best players in the Ferentz era at defending the run, most likely two of the best safeties of the Ferentz era in the (assuming Hyde goes back to corner) and a middle linebacker that is still young, although he has a very high ceiling.

When Iowa has had to rely on the offense to bail out the defense- '05 and '06 come to mind, those haven't been the type of seasons that have met the Ferentz template for success. I hope that Iowa fills all the spots on the defense incredibly well, but the fact is we will be returning the fewest impact players in the league. Our division will be tough with Northwestern bringing back nearly every key player from last season and they are incredibly strong on both lines and probably have the most effective QB in the league. Nebraska is similar to Iowa in that they have a ton to replace on defense but the still boast a very solid defensive line, Michigan State lost a few O-lineman and two very good linebackers but already boast likely NFL QB and a ton of talent at every skill position. Michigan has a defense that will be very talented at every level that will be much better coached and a dangerous weapon in Robinson along with a talented young line. Only Minnesota has a questionable talent level and they will at least receive competent coaching now.

If Iowa is picked 3rd or 4th in our division in pre-season magazines we shouldn't cry about it but realize we lost a ton of talent. It is possible 9 players from Iowa will hear their name called this weekend. At least 7 will and I think that Reisner, Tarpinian, Hunter and Vandervelde all have a shot.

Do we have some intriguing talent returning, yes. Are their reasons for optimism, yes but KOK is still in charge of the offense, we have no proven depth at RB, wide receiver, linebacker, safety, and most importantly QB. Thats a lot of holes. The other teams just in our division are solid and 5 of them (including us) were bowl bound last season.

ISU is not a game I am worried about. First time QBs really struggle when facing Iowa and Prater and Hyde (wherever he line up) will bolster the secondary against a team that will likely have a similar bell curve to Iowa over the coming seasons- struggle early and improve as the season rolls along. As long as Coker is healthy for that game Iowa should win by 2 or more TDs.

spud -

I'm not crying foul about where Iowa is being picked by pundits in the pre-season. I've been predicting that the 2011 season would be a bit of a "rebuild" year for the Hawks for some while ... of course, I also thought that the transition would have gotten buffered a bit because I expected Sash to stick around for his SR season (color me surprised on that one batman).

On the flip side, I wouldn't have predicted that Iowa would have managed to get so many young guys experience on D last year. I think that the Iowa D will really reap some benefits from that experience gained too. In particular, I think that Morris and Miller will really shine in 2011. I was also pleasantly surprised by Kirksey too.

Without a doubt, the Iowa D will be green ... particularly early in the season. However, I think that the group will have enough experience at enough key spots that IF the starters can remain healthy enough ... the D has the chops to develop into a pretty darn salty group. In fact, I'm willing to go out on a limb and GUARANTEE that the Hawk D will be darn good provided that they can remain healthy. Obviously the "health" criterion is a rather stringent constraint.

Spud, you point to the '05 and '06 seasons as being seasons where we relied upon the D leaning on the O ... and that obviously wasn't a winning strategy. However, you have to admit that the Iowa squad got absolutely GUTTED by injuries in '06 and BOTH the Iowa OLs in '05 and '06 paled in comparison to the groups we've witnessed since '08. In fact, I'd argue that Iowa's OL quality and depth since '08 have been every bit as important to Iowa's success through the past several years than our D. In fact, when our OL has been hit with adversity ... our squad has been at its most vulnerable.

One counterexample to the trend is how Iowa's 2002 D leaned pretty heavily on the O. While our run D was admittedly pretty darn salty ... our pass D was more than a little "iffy." Without a doubt, our O bailed our our D quite a bit that season. And, what was particularly impressive about the '02 O? .... why the OL, of course!

LOL ... don't get me wrong, I'm not making any claims that the 2011 squad is going to enjoy near the success of the '02 squad. However, it's pretty striking that the '02 DL still featured .....
- 3 first-year starters on the DL (Babs, Clauss, and Hodges ... and Cole moved from DE to DT)
- 1 first-year starter at LB (Worthy ... who was good but not great)
- 1 first-year regular starter at S (a stretch ... Pagel had 5 starts in the prior season)
- 1 to 2 first-year starters at CB (DJ Johnson was a regular starter but also got injured ... AA and JJ played A LOT)

Anyhow, the point being that the '02 D had to replace A LOT ... and yet they did! Furthermore, the O definitely helped them out.
 
spud -

I'm not crying foul about where Iowa is being picked by pundits in the pre-season. I've been predicting that the 2011 season would be a bit of a "rebuild" year for the Hawks for some while ... of course, I also thought that the transition would have gotten buffered a bit because I expected Sash to stick around for his SR season (color me surprised on that one batman).

On the flip side, I wouldn't have predicted that Iowa would have managed to get so many young guys experience on D last year. I think that the Iowa D will really reap some benefits from that experience gained too. In particular, I think that Morris and Miller will really shine in 2011. I was also pleasantly surprised by Kirksey too.

Without a doubt, the Iowa D will be green ... particularly early in the season. However, I think that the group will have enough experience at enough key spots that IF the starters can remain healthy enough ... the D has the chops to develop into a pretty darn salty group. In fact, I'm willing to go out on a limb and GUARANTEE that the Hawk D will be darn good provided that they can remain healthy. Obviously the "health" criterion is a rather stringent constraint.

Spud, you point to the '05 and '06 seasons as being seasons where we relied upon the D leaning on the O ... and that obviously wasn't a winning strategy. However, you have to admit that the Iowa squad got absolutely GUTTED by injuries in '06 and BOTH the Iowa OLs in '05 and '06 paled in comparison to the groups we've witnessed since '08. In fact, I'd argue that Iowa's OL quality and depth since '08 have been every bit as important to Iowa's success through the past several years than our D. In fact, when our OL has been hit with adversity ... our squad has been at its most vulnerable.

One counterexample to the trend is how Iowa's 2002 D leaned pretty heavily on the O. While our run D was admittedly pretty darn salty ... our pass D was more than a little "iffy." Without a doubt, our O bailed our our D quite a bit that season. And, what was particularly impressive about the '02 O? .... why the OL, of course!

LOL ... don't get me wrong, I'm not making any claims that the 2011 squad is going to enjoy near the success of the '02 squad. However, it's pretty striking that the '02 DL still featured .....
- 3 first-year starters on the DL (Babs, Clauss, and Hodges ... and Cole moved from DE to DT)
- 1 first-year starter at LB (Worthy ... who was good but not great)
- 1 first-year regular starter at S (a stretch ... Pagel had 5 starts in the prior season)
- 1 to 2 first-year starters at CB (DJ Johnson was a regular starter but also got injured ... AA and JJ played A LOT)

Anyhow, the point being that the '02 D had to replace A LOT ... and yet they did! Furthermore, the O definitely helped them out.
Yeah that. I to have a good feeling about this year.
 

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