HawkleberryFinn
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Ole Pierschy's gonna be fishin buddies with Brandon Scherff.
Ross Pierschbacher
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trj
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This is a fight among the family....go over to clown nation and enjoy Butler and Montgomery being drafted.
trj
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Wisconsin and Oklahoma don't exactly suck at it. There aren't a lot of people on that island, but there are more than just Iowa.
proudhawkfan21
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Money isn't everything....they say....
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DDThompson
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there are some people, in fact, many people who value other things and people more important than money.
pootspot
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I feel this way about the other 49 states. But Iowa is different as we all know
If you think Iowa has a bullet-proof track record of turning 4* talent into NFL 1st rounders:
To think it is automatic that he would have been a higher draft pick at Iowa just seems silly.
By the way, Alabama had the highest OL selected in the draft (247 composite 5* Jonah Williams, #2OT coming out of his HS class). That guy can't just ride his recruiting accolades and talent to the top OL in the draft. If it worked like that, Nebraska would have had a lot more success with their good recruiting classes lately. It takes a lot of development to carry over "top OL in HS" to "top OL in NFL draft."
To think it is automatic that he would have been a higher draft pick at Iowa just seems silly.
By the way, Alabama had the highest OL selected in the draft (247 composite 5* Jonah Williams, #2OT coming out of his HS class). That guy can't just ride his recruiting accolades and talent to the top OL in the draft. If it worked like that, Nebraska would have had a lot more success with their good recruiting classes lately. It takes a lot of development to carry over "top OL in HS" to "top OL in NFL draft."
ssckelley
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Nothing to do with his rankings but Alabama gets so much talent every year that it can over shadow a talented player like Pierschbacher. I doubt at Iowa he gets moved to center and our line coaching is very good and is highly respected in the NFL.
But who really knows how he would have done, this is all speculating.
Agreed, he would have been an OT (eventually) at Iowa. Perhaps that experience both inside and outside would have served him well. But there is no "overshadowed" when it comes to OL. The position, pretty much by default, is overshadowed. I guarantee you the scouts will spend a lot of time looking at all of Alabama's players, and if you are good, they will notice. I don't think it is like basketball where sharing the court with a lot of talent can harm your #s and hence your perception. No matter how much talent is surrounding you on that line, either you are taking care of your assignment or not.
To turn this in a different direction (I think pretty much everyone wants to see Iowa-native Pierschbacher tear it up withe Scherff in the NFL so we don't need to belabor that much more): all agree that Iowa is pretty top-notch with OL development. How do you feel about the talent currently in the pipeline (all listed in descending order of recruiting ranking via 247 composite):
'16 class: Alaric Jackson, Banwart
'17 class: Kallenberger, Wirfs, Duwa, Kirkpatrick
'18 class: Jenkins, Plumb, Ince
'19 class: Miller, Britt, Endres, Fenske
I think that '19 class is going to be an absolute monster. Fenske just won Drake shot put (about 61'). Not quite Wirfs territory (66'), but still pretty darn good.
Okay, one more on this: 247 has a list of all-time highest Iowa recruits. Guys they have listed as 5* OL:
Blake Larsen (34th best prospect in the nation; injury-riddled career, walked away from FB after his junior year)
Dan Doering (2nd best OT prospect in the nation, 33rd best overall recruit; 6 starts at Iowa, undrafted, never played in NFL)
Dace Richardson (36th best recruit in the nation; injury-riddled career with some great moments when healthy; undrafted, did not play in NFL)
I am certainly not implying that Iowa sucks at developing OL, just that this whole thing is a crap shoot.
By the way, Iowa had 3x 5* recruits in that 2005 class (Doering, Richardson, Moeaki)
What this thread lacks is a discussion of P's abilities. Every time I saw 'Bama play on TV the past couple years, I focused on watching him. Frankly, I was surprised at how often he missed his block, both at the LOS and at the 2nd level. I did think he looked some better this year, but in previous years he seemed very average to me. He's a steady player, but I'd put his odds of starting in the NFL at probably 60-40...and that's about where he was drafted. The NFL couldn't care less where he went to college -- they're looking at tape and measurables and ability. After watching him perform, I was not at all surprised the round he got drafted in.
ibahawkeye
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It’d be hard to put a price tag on the experience of playing in 4 national championship games.
I doubt the kid has regrets and there’s no guarantee going to Iowa would have made him a higher pick.
I doubt the kid has regrets and there’s no guarantee going to Iowa would have made him a higher pick.
Agreed. There's a whole lot of ego assuming that he would be a higher draft pick by playing in Iowa City. Has anyone other than a few of you with black-and-gold tinted glasses made this assertion? Any national media who are in a much better position to say it?
I saw a former Hawk on twitter (I think either Rafael Eubanks or Julian Vandervelde) raise the question. They of course are biased, but could also be considered experts.
AreWeThereYet
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I think the argument could be made that he could have gone higher at Iowa. He's a solid player, but not dominating. At Iowa, he probably fits fairly high in the pecking order as a tackle prospect, when compared to Croston, Boettger, or Bone. He very likely plays tackle at Iowa, very possibly left tackle. Of course this assumes his career isn't derailed by injury or outside circumstance, which are a matter of luck.
I think the best argument to be made is; generally speaking, very good tackles who project at guard get drafted higher and get paid more than guards/centers who project at guard. The assumption I am making is that the player is very good but not elite talent. Also, there probably would have been more riding on his performance earlier in his college career at Iowa.
I think the best argument to be made is; generally speaking, very good tackles who project at guard get drafted higher and get paid more than guards/centers who project at guard. The assumption I am making is that the player is very good but not elite talent. Also, there probably would have been more riding on his performance earlier in his college career at Iowa.
Of course there are kids that peaked in high school, were over ranked to begin with, or didn't have the work ethic to improve. I think RP proved he doesn't fall into that category. It comes down to how much players improve from their first day on campus to their last. I feel like the improvement trajectory at Iowa is higher on average than most anywhere else. That's mostly because how much time Iowa puts into developing individual talent at the expense of spending time on game planning and team development. I think that shows on game day.
What I don't get is how many people want to beat up on fans who think Iowa develops talent better than most. Iowa doesn't have much to brag about, so why is it a big deal to point out things that actually do get done well around here? We have at least 2 Iowa media guys calling out fans for saying Iowa develops talent better than Alabama. Why is that? It seems counter productive.
Just look at the tweet in your post. A guy tries to make a point that Alabama starts out with guys pretty much destined for the NFL no matter what and Scott replies saying Iowa whiffs on developing guys so they aren't that great. Then says "just stop". Just stop what? Saying your team is good at something, when that "something" is the one thing that they are actually really good at? What is Scott trying to do here?
