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EddyP said:
It was a bad idea. I mean you basically throw up your hands and say I hope they miss. Stick with the man and if you get beat that way then fine.
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Why do the exact same thing? Result is the same either way but trying something new wasnt a terrible idea...the looks they got were exactly the same no matter what we ran. Giving them something new to think about was probably the right strategy
 
busabus114 said:
We lose either way...Fran was probably trying to strike lightning with something new. It was a long shot but they get the same open looks even if we play man. I had no issue with this change because....well, it didnt matter
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Pretty much this.

We got into a hole trying to play man to begin with.

I was pretty much at the point of saying just switch on every screen no matter what. At least guys won't get lost on who they are guarding and NW has almost 0 post game, so a guard switching and having to guard a big wasn't that big of a deal. If you're going to give up wide open threes playing man or zone, might as well try something because they apparently are a little slow on the fundamentals of help defense and rebounding.
 
imported_jocohawk said:
Pretty much this.

We got into a hole trying to play man to begin with.

I was pretty much at the point of saying just switch on every screen no matter what. At least guys won't get lost on who they are guarding and NW has almost 0 post game, so a guard switching and having to guard a big wasn't that big of a deal. If you're going to give up wide open threes playing man or zone, might as well try something because they apparently are a little slow on the fundamentals of help defense and rebounding.
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Yeah I don't think it was the switch to zone that made the game any worst. We were down 9 at half and lost by 20 I think. when you play man against NW you have to constantly worry about the back door cuts and switching on screens...it's hard on a defense to do that 30 secs on every possession. Zone at least eliminates the back door cuts but it definitely can leave some openings on the perimiter.

The game was lost because Iowa basically had 9 unforced turnovers in the 1st half which led to 5-6 layups and probably 3 wide open 3's. Iowa's PG play was horrid in this game...BC did not engage the defense at all and therefore everyone just stood around the perimiter lobbing the ball over defenders...exactly what NW wants.
 
busabus114 said:
Why do the exact same thing? Result is the same either way but trying something new wasnt a terrible idea...the looks they got were exactly the same no matter what we ran. Giving them something new to think about was probably the right strategy
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Because if I'm a NW player my eyes light up when I see us playing zone. I'm thinking ok I have to work less hard to get an easy 3. Pass, pass, bang. We went through this last year, he should have known better.
 
EddyP said:
Because if I'm a NW player my eyes light up when I see us playing zone. I'm thinking ok I have to work less hard to get an easy 3. Pass, pass, bang. We went through this last year, he should have known better.
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This. When I played it was always a sigh of relief when the other team when zone, you don't have to work nearly as hard physically to get open shots, especially from the perimeter. Good ball movement and there will be enough easy deep shots for everyone.
 
Without any real guards other than Marble it doesn't really matter what we play.

No one can stay in front of their man for more than 5 seconds.
 
They made plenty of shots from the arc against the man to man anyway.
Pick your poison. Either layups or three pointers...they missed more 3 pointers.

Zone was worth a try, anything to try to mess with their rythmn. They are seriously hard to guard in a man to man.
 
busabus114 said:
We lose either way...Fran was probably trying to strike lightning with something new. It was a long shot but they get the same open looks even if we play man. I had no issue with this change because....well, it didnt matter
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This. They got good looks from outside when we were in man, and they were killing us with the back cuts in man. There wasn't much we were going to be able to do. We just needed to try to keep pace offensively, and we couldn't do that either.
 
McCaffrey gets an F for defense this year. I understand we don't have certain piecies, but the staff has had an entire season to work on the fundamentals and the team still looks lost. Simple ball screens and we don't switch. A couple of quick passes or reversing the ball and guys get lost in space guarding nobody. I am glad the team had the extra day to watch more film on NW.
 
EddyP said:
Because if I'm a NW player my eyes light up when I see us playing zone. I'm thinking ok I have to work less hard to get an easy 3. Pass, pass, bang. We went through this last year, he should have known better.
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Wow, ok I will try again. Dont you think their eyes were lit up all game as they were shredding our inept man to man?

Fran was trying anything he could to find a spark and nothing worked. Making them look at something new was absolutely the correct move.
 
18 turnovers didn't help, either. The way we attacked, er, didn't attack the 1-3-1 was mind boggling at times. Our defense is pathetic - I just don't understand how teams get so many open looks when we are in a man d.
 
okeefe4prez said:
BrommerLeiter got three within 90 seconds, so he's obviously better than Mel. I saw BrommerLeiter checking in and I told the folks behind me they could leave, the game was now sealed and they were like "WTF"? Then, when I had my little meltdown after the second BrommerLeiter foul they were like "this dude's insane." After the third foul, they moved.
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Was that you yelling at Shurna to take a shower?
 
hawkIhoops said:
McCaffrey gets an F for defense this year. I understand we don't have certain piecies, but the staff has had an entire season to work on the fundamentals and the team still looks lost. Simple ball screens and we don't switch. A couple of quick passes or reversing the ball and guys get lost in space guarding nobody. I am glad the team had the extra day to watch more film on NW.
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Don't have certain pieces? Our guards are flat out brutal at guarding anybody and are slow afoot. We have no bigs to speak of at all. Gatens is a shooter, that's it. He is generally matched up against a slashing 3 and does what he can to hold his own. Cartwright is just brutal to watch on the defensive side of the ball. I've never seen a guard get so lost and burned as often as he does and still remain in the game. May isn't any better but some of you think he brings a defensive presence.

Without have a big man the opponents can do what they want. Without having guards that are athletic enough to stay in front of their man then they are going to routinely get burned. Our D sags way too much but its due to two factors: 1) not having a big man and 2) not being quick enough on their feet and worrying about getting burned. All of this leads to jump shooters getting their shot off with a fairly open look.
 
hawkeye12345 said:
Don't have certain pieces? Our guards are flat out brutal at guarding anybody and are slow afoot. We have no bigs to speak of at all. Gatens is a shooter, that's it. He is generally matched up against a slashing 3 and does what he can to hold his own. Cartwright is just brutal to watch on the defensive side of the ball. I've never seen a guard get so lost and burned as often as he does and still remain in the game. May isn't any better but some of you think he brings a defensive presence.

Without have a big man the opponents can do what they want. Without having guards that are athletic enough to stay in front of their man then they are going to routinely get burned. Our D sags way too much but its due to two factors: 1) not having a big man and 2) not being quick enough on their feet and worrying about getting burned. All of this leads to jump shooters getting their shot off with a fairly open look.
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Besides Cartwright, Gatens, and May getting lost or beat on D at times, I have seen it happen too many times to Brommer, McCabe, Basabe, Marble, and Oglesby as well.
 
nationalchamps said:
18 turnovers didn't help, either. The way we attacked, er, didn't attack the 1-3-1 was mind boggling at times. Our defense is pathetic - I just don't understand how teams get so many open looks when we are in a man d.
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Northwestern really spreads the court and all their guys have great passing ability. Several times, there wasn't a Hawk defender within 10 feet of shooters on the wings because of the spread and the sharp cross-court passing.

On the other end, Northwestern has great postioning and great footwork in their 1-3-1.
I think the Cats have a very good team. Better than Iowa's team for sure.
 
busabus114 said:
Wow, ok I will try again. Dont you think their eyes were lit up all game as they were shredding our inept man to man?

Fran was trying anything he could to find a spark and nothing worked. Making them look at something new was absolutely the correct move.
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Man to man they were getting beat to the hole, they weren't bombing threes.
 
glidinghawk said:
Northwestern really spreads the court and all their guys have great passing ability.

On the other end, Northwestern has great postioning and great footwork in their 1-3-1.
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Their offense works great when you are allowed moving screens all game.

Also really good hand-checking and grabbing of opposing players when on D, is effective.
It's great defense if you don't get called for it, so props to them.

Not trying to sound butt hurt, but NW got away with a ton of stuff. Not the reason they won or Iowa lost, but it was bad. Not as bad as Iowa's offensive and defensive efforts though.
 
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