Racism unique to only Iowa within the college ranks?

[kicker22]

My place isn't about calling people out or labeling them racists and this isn't directed toward anyone directly. I do feel the focus needs to be on listening and hearing what is going on rather than being in the driver seat asking the questions. Asking questions can be done in a way that manipulates the conversation and takes control of it rather than simply listening and hearing what needs to be said.

 

[PCHawk]

PC and 4th

Both of you are expressing a lot of frustration about how racism is defined and what appears to be constantly moving goal posts. I'd like to think your attempts at open discussion are genuine efforts at growth, but I guess time will tell.

I'm no expert on the subject, but my take is that some people grasp onto situations where the accusation of racism probably wasn't appropriate to the point where they blind themselves to the reality that is racism as a whole. They then use those examples as the "whataboutisms" to which Rob is referring.

Yes, occasionally minorities will scream racism when the situation probably doesn't warrant it, or they'll play the "race card" out of frustration or convenience, or they'll blame racism on just about everything negative in their lives, etc., etc. We've all seen it, and it's both sad and frustrating at the same time, especially when you consider that those situations ultimately are counter-productive to the cause.

Case in point: O.J. Simpson. Coming off the emotional turmoil surrounding the Rodney King situation, his legal team effectively used his race as a way to get an acquittal. Johnny Cochran even had his residence renovated to make him look more "black" to the jury. The strategy obviously was extremely effective. Most African-Americans deep down knew he was guilty, but applauded his acquittal as a blow to what they deemed an historically unjust judicial system.

The point is that it's okay to see these inconsistencies and call them out, as long as you don't use them to blind yourself to the truth about racism, or try to hide behind them as a covert way to cover up true racist attitudes.

I completely agree with everything you said. I'll even admit that I might underplay in my head to some degree how extreme racism is. Like I've said repeatedly, I've softened my stance on that. The thing is, it's kinda irrelevant to me how bad racism is because I want to get to the point where there is no racism at all. Finding out racism is a little worse than I thought does nothing to change where I already stand with treating black people as equals.

 

[Fryowa]

You assume that I don't see the problem. I'm saying everyone has problems.
To me this may as well be an argument about religion, with many facets and many good points. I'm not making it black and white. I'm coloring with all the crayons.
Because when you do, you get a much more detailed a pretty picture.
If I can not justify one bitch, I can not justify any.
If it's true in the micro, it's true in the macro and vise versa. Anything else is unfair and unjust

Discussion with you is like a cat batting around a stuffed mouse. It's funny at first and worth a couple laughs, but within a half hour or so it's just boring repetitiveness.

I'll give you one thing though, I've never in my life come across anyone who's tried so hard and so fruitlessly to prove to other people that he's intelligent. The amount of random, disjointed, nonsensical statements you can chain together in one post is impressive.

 

[PCHawk]

It's kinda like if you are ignorant and think your wife only cheated on you 5 times. Then after you leave her, you find out it was actually worse and it was 7 times. Well what does that even change? I already knew enough to form my opinion that I wanted nothing to do with it.

 

[PCHawk]

My place isn't about calling people out or labeling them racists and this isn't directed toward anyone directly. I do feel the focus needs to be on listening and hearing what is going on rather than being in the driver seat asking the questions. Asking questions can be done in a way that manipulates the conversation and takes control of it rather than simply listening and hearing what needs to be said.

I hear a lot about listening and I've watched a lot of YouTube shit over the last couple weeks trying to do just that. My question is, who are we supposed to listen to and what good does it do for someone like me who already treats everyone as equals? And remember, if you listen to one black mans story, you don't hear what black people think. You hear what one person thinks.

 

[4thngoal]

Here fry let me go back to chapter 1 one more time just for you, since you insist on holding the class up.
Maybe the reason I am better at betting than you are is because I am better at objectivity than you are. All things even, ability to judge talent, both taking wind or weather into account and every other variable being almost completely equal, which person is going to do better, the one that's more objective or the one that's less objective?
I don't need to pretend I am smart or intelligent. I am a fucking genius. I am an idiot. I am both right and wrong. The difference is I understand that about myself. Truly understand that into the depths of my soul.
Let me dumb it down to the point where if you don't get it, I am going to block you, because you are a lost cause and have had a hard-on for me since day one.
Go stand outside a casino and give 1,000 black people a dollar and tell them to go in and bet red or black on the roulette wheel. Write down the results. Now do the exact same experiment with white people.
You understand??
Now apply that lesson to yourself and everyone else as well. Except the roulette wheel has many many colors. Many many beliefs. Many many sexual preferences. So on and so forth.
If you are not totally objective, then you are biased and biased is just another word for racism, sexism or any God dam ism you have in your head.

"
Definition of ism
(Entry 1 of 2)

1: a distinctive doctrine, cause, or theory
2: an oppressive and especially discriminatory attitude or belief

 

[Ree4]

Like when black people couldn't walk through any white neighborhoods for a majority of history? Even today it still happens sometimes.

But I'm forgetting racism is a myth

I think they're just not allowed to jog in them, but I'm not sure on that.

 

[Ree4]

If it's true in the micro, it's true in the macro and vise versa.

You seriously believe this? Never heard of the micro-macro paradox I take it? It's a well-known fallacy of composition..

 

[kicker22]

I hear a lot about listening and I've watched a lot of YouTube shit over the last couple weeks trying to do just that. My question is, who are we supposed to listen to and what good does it do for someone like me who already treats everyone as equals? And remember, if you listen to one black mans story, you don't hear what black people think. You hear what one person thinks.

Good point. I guess my advice would be to try to listen to as many as you can. Like I said it wasn't aimed at you or anyone specifically. Questions are never a bad thing, but can redirect a conversation and take it down a different path which can unintentionally sabotage the conversation. I think of it as a conversation with a child (and in no way am i referring anyone to a child) in which they ask a series of great questions that end up inadvertently changing the context of what was being discussed.

 

[PCHawk]

Good point. I guess my advice would be to try to listen to as many as you can. Like I said it wasn't aimed at you or anyone specifically. Questions are never a bad thing, but can redirect a conversation and take it down a different path which can unintentionally sabotage the conversation. I think of it as a conversation with a child (and in no way am i referring anyone to a child) in which they ask a series of great questions that end up inadvertently changing the context of what was being discussed.

It's hard because if you find something on YouTube, its probably an extreme example one way or the other. I see black people talking about how bad they have it and I see black people pretty much saying the same thing I've always thought. It made me realize it's not near as much about black and white is it is about individual personal experience and how each person chooses to perceive those experiences.

Look no further than the iowa program. You have black people that had terrible experiences. You have black people that had ok experiences while noticing some shit they didn't like. You have black people that had great experiences. Then you also have white people that had all those experiences too. What it makes me think is everyone has their own thoughts and opinions on the world around them and it's not just "black people all think this is happening" like we are supposed to think.

 

[4thngoal]

You seriously believe this? Never heard of the micro-macro paradox I take it? It's a well-known fallacy of composition..

We are taking about human interaction, not economics.
You can't run around punching people in the face (it's ok for you (micro) and not expect to get punched back (it is not ok for them (macro).
This is why those morons out in Seattle changed their name from Chaz.
But let's play their game a little further. Everyone does exactly what they are doing. It's good for them right? Well I hope they have a hospital. Because the town that does might not be accepting new patients. I hope they have schools and colleges, and so on.
But that is just scratching the surface. What about firearms? Even if they have a permit in their city maybe it's not valid once they step over the line into Seattle. What is Seattle's punishment for carrying an unlicensed or being unlicensed to carry a firearm? Maybe Seattle decides any food crossing the border will have a 500% tax levy to cover the sewage and water cost being piped into and out of. Because if it's good/ok for them to make up their own rules then it's good for everyone else, otherwise you are are a tyrant. You are a spoiled little brat that wants what you want. You are biased and so on.
I told my wife let it play out, we are watching a real life escape from LA movie.

 

[Ree4]

We are taking about human interaction, not economics.
You can't run around punching people in the face (it's ok for you (micro) and not expect to get punched back (it is not ok for them (macro).
This is why those morons out in Seattle changed their name from Chaz.
But let's play their game a little further. Everyone does exactly what they are doing. It's good for them right? Well I hope they have a hospital. Because the town that does might not be accepting new patients. I hope they have schools and colleges, and so on.
But that is just scratching the surface. What about firearms? Even if they have a permit in their city maybe it's not valid once they step over the line into Seattle. Maybe Seattle decides any food crossing the border will have a 500% tax levy to cover the sewage and water cost being piped into and out of. Because if it's good/ok for them to make up their own rules then it's good for everyone else, otherwise you are are a tyrant. You are biased and so on.

What the eff tangent are you going off on now? Holy shit.

 

[4thngoal]

What the eff tangent are you going off on now? Holy shit.

If you F around on your wife, you can't expect her to not F around on you. And vise versa.
Simple enough?
If your neighbor plays loud music and parties all the time, he can't bitch that you do too. Even if it's different hours of the day. And vise versa.
If you want to fly whatever flag you want and believe whatever you want and be respected for it, you have to offer the same in return. It's that simple.
This isn't burger king, you don't get things your way. I know, that sucks, but nobody does, so there is always that.

 

[4thngoal]

Case in point.
I said the ax swings both ways and don't bitch about what you start.
https://www.wnd.com/2020/06/armed-c...HXyLt1rkguAF6-kYhihFCQgej4LkBLtlEz-mj8tENTxeI

 

[Ree4]

If you F around on your wife, you can't expect her to not F around on you. And vise versa.
Simple enough?
If your neighbor plays loud music and parties all the time, he can't bitch that you do too. Even if it's different hours of the day. And vise versa.
If you want to fly whatever flag you want and believe whatever you want and be respected for it, you have to offer the same in return. It's that simple.
This isn't burger king, you don't get things your way. I know, that sucks, but nobody does, so there is always that.

How is that in any way related to your micro-macro phrase? Did micro start meaning "pertaining to yourself" and macro "somebody else" at some point?

 

[4thngoal]

How is that in any way related to your micro-macro phrase? Did micro start meaning "pertaining to yourself" and macro "somebody else" at some point?

Jesus do you even understand the micro macro paradox that you were talking about as it pertains to economics and human interaction???
Or did you just Google it and found out it was a thing and try to use it as a counter argument?
it's basically the same as give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day teach a man to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime.
The keywords being give as in economics which doesn't work. And teach as in human interaction which does work. it doesn't matter if it's one man or an entire country.
So yeah again micro meaning one man macro meaning a group a country or the whole world, irregardless It's a larger sum.

 

[HawkGold]

Interesting look at history. PC this one is for you. I think you are still redeemable

 

[tksirius]

Interesting look at history. PC this one is for you. I think you are still redeemable

If you liked that, you should watch the video on why American Indians struggle or the video on why millions of black people are currently enslaved in Africa and nobody cares.

 

[4thngoal]

Nothing?
You are right and you are wrong. That's the paradox!!! The other side of what you are arguing is right and wrong. That's the paradox!!!
Micro/macro paradox works in one aspect and not in another.
That's why it's called a paradox.
Hello, is this thing on??
Jesus.

 

[4thngoal]

If you liked that, you should watch the video on why American Indians struggle or the video on why millions of black people are currently enslaved in Africa and nobody cares.

But that doesn't fit the narrative. That is not what is right in your face and cramming it down your throat.
How dare you pay attention!! How dare you be aware. How dare you to think about others, then your own plight.
You are suspect.
You are starting to put the dots together. I'm happy about that. You know why? Because F them that's why.