Poll: SHOULD KIRK RETIRE AT SEASON'S END

Should Kirk retire at season's end?

  • No

    Votes: 19 17.4%

  • Yes

    Votes: 32 29.4%

  • The whole clan should go

    Votes: 58 53.2%
  • Total voters
    109
  • Poll closed .
Joshbrown said:
Blaming the guy who executes the boss' wishes?? . . . or you could become like uihawk and lower your expectations to the Cyclone level. It's good to have options.
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Executing the bosses philosophy. Which can be done with success. Wisky has similar/same philosophy, and light years better ways of doing it.

This is not me giving KF a pass, he keeps Davis on staff. This is me saying Davis is the worst of a few problems. Ferentz is wayyyy to expensive to fire, Davis is not.
 
Joshbrown said:
The people with decent critical thinking skills know the answer. But before Kool-aid can kill, first it warps the logic-centers of the brain.

http://hawkeyenation.com/forum/threads/gred-davis-the-king-of-killing-drives.76391/

http://hawkeyenation.com/forum/threads/worst-safety-play-in-the-kf-era.76376/#post-1540888

http://hawkeyenation.com/forum/threads/you-think-cj-and-king-are-playing.76361/page-3#post-1540810

http://hawkeyenation.com/forum/threads/phil-parker-actually-made-an-adjustment.76393/

http://hawkeyenation.com/forum/threads/its-the-receivers-stupid.76380/#post-1540824

It's Gred Davis' fault (I thought we replaced him with his brother Greg?) - the receivers - Phil Parker - CJB - D.King - B.F. - etc. Who has the final say over everyone just mentioned? But some board-members have turned into H.R.C. with the blame-shifting and accountability denial. But then again, the voting tells the truth.
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Might all be absolutely true. Heres the thing...this non critcal thinker also take in account the fact Barta just ensured KF ain't going anywhere for minimum of 3-5 years.

Right or wrong, Kirk ain't leaving, so my thoughts are let's make a change that doesn't require $30+mm....and get a new OC.

I've been a KF guy, still kinda am, but can't begrudge anyone who isn't at this point.
 
herkytime said:
Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

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Our apologist emeritus posted in a different thread that BF would make a great OC because he wouldn't have to listen to his father. With entertainment like that it's almost unfair that we don't all have to pay to visit HN.
 
ArvadaHawk said:
today was just an another painful example of how badly we need WR players. if bf were to become OC, do you think he'd change the offense to a more innovative offense? we could have used the read option, today. we could have used the jet sweep action, today. we could have used King in the bubble screen, today, instead of mccarron. we could have used a game plan that actively included Fant way more consistently. Fant now appears to be our best WR. USE HIM!
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To answer your question, is the O-line elite? He's also the run-game coordinator. Does he use Mitchell? I mean Toks has gotten more carries than DMX. So this notion that a first-time OC will embarrass GD/KOK springs from the same fans who say . . . "This year isn't really so bad when you realize next year is the year we finally change our approach on offense."
 
Joshbrown said:
Our apologist emeritus posted in a different thread that BF would make a great OC because he wouldn't have to listen to his father. With entertainment like that it's almost unfair that we don't all have to pay to visit HN.
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I simply believe he'd be better than Davis. But I'd take anyone over Davis. The idea that he would/wouldn't listen to his dad is a little silly, agreed. I have this completely unsubstantiated belief that Brian time under a mind like Belechek might have benefits. I don't think anyone scratches where it itches with the pieces you have better than Belechek(albeit with a HOF qb which helps).

My thought is that we likely have 2 choices, Davis or someone currently on staff, I'll choose the simeone, who happens to be Brian. I have no idea if he'd be much better than Davis, but I'm almost certain he wouldn't be worse.
 
tksirius said:
Ironically, Purdue had a pretty damn decent game against #8 Nebraska after firing their coach.
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Yes and that goes to things I have been saying. Nebraska isn't a top 10 team. They are all right. But top 10. Not so much. Wisconsin is a top ten team.
 
Caddy said:
Seriously? Loser mentality right here. We might not do better because we're little ole Iowa. Jesus.. You're seriously going to compare our program to Purdue when it comes to attracting a good head coach? Wow.. If we keep this moron around for 10 more years, then the program will be in worse shape than Purdue.
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Really? You have a bad grasp on reality. The college landscape is littered with teams that have dumped coaches and spent years looking for a decent replacement. You seriously think your going to get a top coach here? Iowa is a good job but it isn't Ohio State, LSU or Alabama good.
 
HawkeyeWalker said:
I simply believe he'd be better than Davis. But I'd take anyone over Davis. The idea that he would/wouldn't listen to his dad is a little silly, agreed. I have this completely unsubstantiated belief that Brian time under a mind like Belechek might have benefits. I don't think anyone scratches where it itches with the pieces you have better than Belechek(albeit with a HOF qb which helps).

My thought is that we likely have 2 choices, Davis or someone currently on staff, I'll choose the simeone, who happens to be Brian. I have no idea if he'd be much better than Davis, but I'm almost certain he wouldn't be worse.
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Listening to your Dad vs. being your own man. i have worked for small companies most of my life so I have seen this dynamic play out quite a bit. He may listen to daddy, but he will make his own decisions. I think people just think he is going to be a carbon copy of the old man.....The little I know of BF makes me think he isn't going to be that way.
 
I'll say it until KF decides to leave. All I want is a succession plan and a transition, not a 1 off season search. Hire coordinators that want to be head coach. There is about 70% of KF philosophy and method I woud want to retain, but about 30% that needs to change.

The perfect OC is one that can recruit and operate within the KF methodology with success. Bill O'Brian, Paul Chryst types.
 
trj said:
Listening to your Dad vs. being your own man. i have worked for small companies most of my life so I have seen this dynamic play out quite a bit. He may listen to daddy, but he will make his own decisions. I think people just think he is going to be a carbon copy of the old man.....The little I know of BF makes me think he isn't going to be that way.
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Agreed, the little I've seen/heard from Brian is that in terms of personality and aggressiveness, the apple fell pretty far from the tree. It's yet to be determined if that would be a good or bad thing.
 
HawkeyeWalker said:
I believe it would be hard to do worse than Davis. I really do. It's not like he helps with recruiting either. I'd prefer a younger guy. Not world changing, just a tweek here and there and routes that help the team instead of round peg square hole.
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Have you ever stopped to realize you just called out KF????? From day 1 Texas fans told us the truth. From gameday 1 Hawk fans could see the problem. So how is it the guy you place above the program can't see it? I'll tell you. He never saw KOK or GD as the problem. In interviews he used to actually say, "I can't believe other programs aren't trying to steal KOK away." KF isn't saying it for effect. He was actually stupefied other programs wouldn't want an OC who routinely has his scoring offense in the bottom half of FBS football.
 
HawkeyeWalker said:
I don't think Brian is a cure. That said, I think Brian is different from Kirk on a few key things that would help. At least it would be more square peg, square hole.
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Hey we agree . . . with the first sentence. I noticed in Rob's thread you said, "Talent isn't the problem." Again, we agree. Those who keep saying "we have less talent" apparently think Iowa has less talent than NDSU & Northwestern. Well, to be fair, they do have one individual with more talent than Iowa's.
 
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Joshbrown said:
Have you ever stopped to realize you just called out KF????? From day 1 Texas fans told us the truth. From gameday 1 Hawk fans could see the problem. So how is it the guy you place above the program can't see it? I'll tell you. He never saw KOK or GD as the problem. In interviews he used to actually say, "I can't believe other programs aren't trying to steal KOK away." KF isn't saying it for effect. He was actually stupefied other programs wouldn't want an OC who routinely has his scoring offense in the bottom half of FBS football.
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Yes I do realize I am calling out KF, and I've stated it multiple times keeping Davis is an indictment on KF. Where your flat out wrong is that I put KF above the program. Gary Barta has done that, the reality is KF is going to be the head coach at Iowa for at least 3-5 more years, most of my posts and thought process is based on that reality.

Yes, I have been a KF guy overall. But saying I put him above the program is absurd. This latest contract and extension was absurd, but it's done. There are issues on this team, none are worse than our offense, Davis is the immediate problem.

I am not pleased with '16 Hawkeye Football, and I see no improvement as long as Davis is here.

I focus on Davis because Kirk's contract is set. Kirk can't be let go, Davis can. Do you understand that?
 
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tksirius said:
So, 33 out of 39 say at least Kirk needs to retire. That number's higher than I expected. More people are accepting the reality of Kirk & Iowa Football.
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Beware those numbers. Alts can skew the numbers as if Mayor Daly is in charge.
 
HawkeyeWalker said:
I voted no, but if ther is a succession plan in place I'd be good with it. There, however, is not. I would guess 3-5 more years minimum.

I'm a KF guy, but hiring Davis and keeping him will ultimately be his undoing. Oil and water...and the oil is on fire.
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I think he signs another extension at some point and keeps coaching into his 70s. I think he has JoePa's ambition. There is one exception to my thinking, if he can pass the job to Brian in exchange for a graceful exit, then that might happen. But Barta might have departed (willingly or unwillingly) and the next AD might not be as craven.
 
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