deanvogs
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We schedule 2 cupcakes a year, that is less cupcakes than what 90% of P5 schools are doing.
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We schedule 2 cupcakes a year, that is less cupcakes than what 90% of P5 schools are doing.
Knight78
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About our OOC "cupcake" schedule this year:
1) Miami (OH). Iowa wins 38-14. Right now Miami has the best conference record in the MAC at 6-1. They are 7-4 overall with losses to Iowa, Marshall, Cincinnati and OSU. Hardly a cupcake.
2) Middle Tennessee St. Iowa wins 48-3. Right now MTSU is 3-4 in Conference USA East. They are the closest to a cupcake in our OOC schedule.
3) Iowa State. Iowa wins 18-17. Right now ISU is tied for third in the Big 12. Hardly a cupcake.
I realize that Iowa has had some really good runs in the past, but even in those years they also played so-called "cupcakes".
AreWeThereYet
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In the last 21 years under Ferentz.
Number of wins - How many times.
12 - 1
11 - 2
10 - 2
9 - 2
8 - 5* (*so far in 2019)
7 - 4 (2001, 2005, 2011, 2014)
6 - 2 (2006, 2007)
4 - 1 (2012)
3 - 1 (2000)
1 - 1 (1999)
Iowa has been remarkably consistent under Ferentz. That's not to be taken lightly. Most teams that hover around 7 or 8 wins have quite a few more losing seasons. It's the teams that hover around 9 wins that tend to also have more double digit years.
Could still go as high as 10 wins this year.
Number of wins - How many times.
12 - 1
11 - 2
10 - 2
9 - 2
8 - 5* (*so far in 2019)
7 - 4 (2001, 2005, 2011, 2014)
6 - 2 (2006, 2007)
4 - 1 (2012)
3 - 1 (2000)
1 - 1 (1999)
Iowa has been remarkably consistent under Ferentz. That's not to be taken lightly. Most teams that hover around 7 or 8 wins have quite a few more losing seasons. It's the teams that hover around 9 wins that tend to also have more double digit years.
Could still go as high as 10 wins this year.
HuckFinn
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Did not know you did a National survey...
ATLHawkeye
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Well... Stop fussing!
JoeyLabasForPresident
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Replace Penn State with Wisconsin, and I’d answer the question the same way: they are far enough ahead that they are consistently beating Iowa and winning more games. The teams, and the games, are close, yet Iowa has consistently lost year after year. That’s a pattern.
JoeyLabasForPresident
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Honestly, this is one of your dumber posts here. I don’t “bash the shit” out of anything Hawkeye related, other than Fran McCaffery, some of the time. Penn State is ahead of Iowa the past five years, it was semantics that kept them from being listed in Rob’s OP. If you’re too stupid to figure that out then god help you.
ssckelley
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I can remember back when the basketball team won 20 games a year, went to the NCAA tournament every year, and never lost in the first round. That wasn't good enough for a segment of Hawk "fans", they demanded Iowa hire a coach to get them to the "next level". So they got rid of Tom Davis and brought in Steve Alford, 20 years later Iowa is trying to just get back to where Tom Davis had the program.
I like what KF has done here, I think it's a minor miracle he has kept Iowa competitive every year with the recruiting challenges he has. Iowa is the 2nd smallest populated state in the Big Ten and they share it with another P5 school. They take 3 star kids and turn some of them into NFL caliber players. One bad coaching hire and this program could easily be back to where it was in the 70s.
I like what KF has done here, I think it's a minor miracle he has kept Iowa competitive every year with the recruiting challenges he has. Iowa is the 2nd smallest populated state in the Big Ten and they share it with another P5 school. They take 3 star kids and turn some of them into NFL caliber players. One bad coaching hire and this program could easily be back to where it was in the 70s.
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Northside Hawk
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It was unfortunate to draw Michigan and Penn State when our line was banged up, just as it was unfortunate to play Wisconsin without Welch.
Everyone has injuries, and we really haven't a ton of them, but the ones we have had have been very untimely. I would love another shot at Michigan and Penn State but it doesn't work that way. Im sure Purdue would love a shot at a lot of people with a healthy Rondale Moore.
Dantonio is likely dead man walking now. Will have that heavily used against him in recruiting.
I'd say the haves from long ago are still mostly the haves today (but laughing at Nebraska), but the second tier level has a lot more parity and competitiveness now than back in those decades.
Northside Hawk
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Didn't they briefly consider approaching Tom Izzo to gauge his interest the last time the position was open? Around 2005 or 2006?
SCHawkeye2
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Since the B10 split into divisions in 2011 through the 2018 season, here is the B10 game winning % of B10 teams with a winning average during that period:
OSU 87%
WI 75%
MSU 67%
MI 66%
PSU 64%
IA 57%
NW 57%
NE 55%
IA was tied for 6th with NW.
OSU 87%
WI 75%
MSU 67%
MI 66%
PSU 64%
IA 57%
NW 57%
NE 55%
IA was tied for 6th with NW.
MelroseHawkins
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The most remarkable aspect about Iowa is Iowa's consistency as a program. Ferentz may be frustrating to fans sec to his stubborn personality and his obsession with odds and perfection, but the guy knows team football and how to develop players.
Iowa always brings a formidable team. When an opponent goes up against Iowa, home or away, they know they are going to get a tough game, and a team that doesn't beat themselves. It has been like that for years now. Iowa has been the model for many new coaches on teams in the conference. Dantonio and Mich St., Fitz at NW and now P.J at Minny, coaches at Indiana. They've all commented that they want to build a program like Iowa has. Iowa is usually always a tough out. We fans bitch a lot sometimes because we want greatness, but, we also have to realize what we have. Many other teams and coaches would take the consistency in a minute.
There is a reason Bill Parcells commented to Matt Millen that Kirk Ferentz is the best coach in college football. He may not be the best coach for college football, but I think we can all agree what Parcell's meant. He's a great coach who may do the best job of teaching football and developing players, in particular, to play an NFL style game, of which Parcell's and Belichek know the best.
Purdue, Minnesota and Iowa State have nice hot coaches at the moment, but, are those coaches going to be there for the long haul? They might be back to the coaching carrossel in a short time. Iowa doesn't have a coaching carrossel but could if had an up and coming coach. Who's to say they wouldn't use Iowa as a stepping stone.
Ferentz has been with Iowa for the long haul which has paved the way for consistency. Maybe we should just be happy with what we have.
Iowa always brings a formidable team. When an opponent goes up against Iowa, home or away, they know they are going to get a tough game, and a team that doesn't beat themselves. It has been like that for years now. Iowa has been the model for many new coaches on teams in the conference. Dantonio and Mich St., Fitz at NW and now P.J at Minny, coaches at Indiana. They've all commented that they want to build a program like Iowa has. Iowa is usually always a tough out. We fans bitch a lot sometimes because we want greatness, but, we also have to realize what we have. Many other teams and coaches would take the consistency in a minute.
There is a reason Bill Parcells commented to Matt Millen that Kirk Ferentz is the best coach in college football. He may not be the best coach for college football, but I think we can all agree what Parcell's meant. He's a great coach who may do the best job of teaching football and developing players, in particular, to play an NFL style game, of which Parcell's and Belichek know the best.
Purdue, Minnesota and Iowa State have nice hot coaches at the moment, but, are those coaches going to be there for the long haul? They might be back to the coaching carrossel in a short time. Iowa doesn't have a coaching carrossel but could if had an up and coming coach. Who's to say they wouldn't use Iowa as a stepping stone.
Ferentz has been with Iowa for the long haul which has paved the way for consistency. Maybe we should just be happy with what we have.
DBAHawkFan
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At some point KF will have to step down. I can't really see the team being in the shape Hayden left it, but you still wonder if KF will hold on too long....but with the way the schedule is for Iowa, unless some freak season happens where everyone gets hurt....we'll see a 6-8 win season until he steps away. The next coach won't have to completely overhaul much.
I don't think there's a way to really prove it one way or other, but is Iowa this consistent because they're so bad on offense, or could the team taken the next step a bit more often if the offense had been opened up more?
If Iowa had averaged 30ppg this year, would that have thrown off the defense? Does the defense do so well because the Iowa offense drains the life out of everyone ?
I just don't know. The stats show that KF loses more in close games. Stats have shown that Iowa beats the teams it should, but is really bad against the upper teams (WI, UM, PSU, OSU) but that could be said against most of the teams in the conference.
WI takes care of business more time than not. This year IL may have cost them another division, but they still have one more shot against MN this weekend. Why can't Iowa have that success?
That's the frustrating part for me (and I assume most fans), Iowa is usually eliminated from the division title by the end of October. There'll be a slight chance, but it's never in Iowa's hands/destiny.
Until KF can figure out Wisconsin, Iowa isn't winning the West again.
I don't think there's a way to really prove it one way or other, but is Iowa this consistent because they're so bad on offense, or could the team taken the next step a bit more often if the offense had been opened up more?
If Iowa had averaged 30ppg this year, would that have thrown off the defense? Does the defense do so well because the Iowa offense drains the life out of everyone ?
I just don't know. The stats show that KF loses more in close games. Stats have shown that Iowa beats the teams it should, but is really bad against the upper teams (WI, UM, PSU, OSU) but that could be said against most of the teams in the conference.
WI takes care of business more time than not. This year IL may have cost them another division, but they still have one more shot against MN this weekend. Why can't Iowa have that success?
That's the frustrating part for me (and I assume most fans), Iowa is usually eliminated from the division title by the end of October. There'll be a slight chance, but it's never in Iowa's hands/destiny.
Until KF can figure out Wisconsin, Iowa isn't winning the West again.
Fryowa
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My problem isn’t so much with the present.
Would I like to win a division and conference once in a while? Absolutely. But that’s not going to happen at Iowa...it just isn’t.
What I have an issue with is the future. Brian Ferentz is in no way capable of running a P5 football team, and he’s next on deck...I don’t care what anyone says. It isn’t just me, either. Almost all Hawkeye beat writers have at one point or another said they think BF will be the next president of Hawkeye athletics, and they know the people and program better than any of us ever will.
As if anyone needed more “proof,” the contract extensions in the athletic department all line up perfectly with making sure another Ferentz gets into office, and you don’t have to be a genius to see that the 99%’ers who aren’t psychotic fans like us, love the Ferentz family and would continue the dynasty in a heartbeat. Kirk has created a monolithic generation of militant homer sheep the likes of which have never been seen before in a college football program with such mediocre performance. It makes sense that Nick Saban would have a cult of personality, but Kirk’s continual cranking out of 5-4 conference records year after year after year after year is unmatched when it comes to customer satisfaction.
If you’re one of the homer dorks who’s ok with the Brain taking the throne in a couple years, I’m gonna day “I told you so” right now. It only takes a couple seasons to completely tank a program for several decades, and if (when) that happens, get ready to go back to the 70s.
The sheeple who think it’s too big of a gamble to hire outside the family tree, at least that way we’d have a fighting chance. Brain is a guaranteed flop and actually the dumbest choice since we’ve had three years to see that he sucks.
okeefe4prez
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There's really not much to figure out. They're the sole school in a higher population state and have 25 years of great line play that allows them to land a star running back every two years. I'm not sure there is much we could implement schematically to beat them more often than not anymore. We took an edge on line play for a few years and won some games, they have taken it back.
okeefe4prez
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He's not a guaranteed flop. Very likely, yes, but not guaranteed. The caliber of freshman skill players we have right now is amazing and I think he had a lot to do with that. If the o-line gets shored up, our offense will look really good with decent QB play.
