Per Mike Hlas: Adam Robinson is back in DSM

[Section136]

Re: Per Mike Hlas: Adam Robinson is back

Yep I was expecting this, just didn't get back in time to edit this in so here go......Thought I’d better edit in a caveat because I know how some of you think…..lol! The 100’s comment I made may seem strong, but consider this. I will stop just short of guaranteeing that there are bare minimum 50 plus rbers currently in the NFL who ran better to way, way, way better than 4.6 forties. They’ll have better shuttles, height, weight, etc…..

Lastly Iowa fans for some reason will never give Arob the credit that he deserved. I agree he proved to be a selfish teammate, but to compare him to a Damian Sims who would not have beaten him out is really looking down your nose at him. Remember we all read this site and I remember everyone gushing about Coker and his speed after the Missouri game. Flash forward a year and he was suddenly slow…so to tell you truth everything said on here needs to be taken with a huge dose of salt and a malaria pill…

Who cares if there are 1000 RB's with faster 40 times than Smith? Speed does not equal football talent. All Im saying is that Smith was one of the most talented RB's in the history of the NFL. You dont have the most rushing yards in the history of the NFL without having a heck of a lot of talent.

 

[cmhawks99]

Re: Per Mike Hlas: Adam Robinson is back

Who cares if there are 1000 RB's with faster 40 times than Smith? Speed does not equal football talent. All Im saying is that Smith was one of the most talented RB's in the history of the NFL. You dont have the most rushing yards in the history of the NFL without having a heck of a lot of talent.

Actually I agree, but when people say Adam wasn't talented they are going off his measurables, period. His on field product was very good…..in fact I’m still researching just that while waiting for the next comment.

 

[hogeye]

The comparison to the ARob situation fails at about every level. You're talking NFL vs. college, NFL HoFer's versus run of the mill Iowa RB's...it's a poor illustration to try and draw an analogy to the situation on far too many levels.

 

[Foval21]

talent doesnt always equate into production. it is like people that put loads of thought behind star value. there are a lot of high talent players that dont get high production. and less talented players that get more production.

maybe this analogy will be better. eric may came in as a more highly regarded talent than devyn marble. now which of those two is considered the better player? obviously injuries have hurt may but he relied too much on pure athleticism in my belief anyway. where as marble isnt incredibly quick or as good of a jumper but boy he makes a lot of guys look bad trying to guard him.

remember arob took the job at rb because of injuries. but when people got healthy he didnt give it back until he got hurt. he held coker off for a long time and he had incredible talent (not speed but talent). coming out of college tim tebow was more talented than tom brady but i dont think anyone is wanting tebow over brady as their qb. and if they do they have problems.

 

[Section136]

Re: Per Mike Hlas: Adam Robinson is back

Actually I agree, but when people say Adam wasn't talented they are going off his measurable, period. His on field product was very good…..in fact I’m still researching just that while waiting for the next comment.

Nobody said his production was poor. Of the RB's I listed that have played significantly since the 2004 season, ARob had the least amount of talent. Thats not a total knock on him, just makes you think that we have had a decent amount of talent in the backfield for the better part of a decade.

And I even said I may give him a slight edge over Sims, but that would be the only one.

 

[Section136]

talent doesnt always equate into production. it is like people that put loads of thought behind star value. there are a lot of high talent players that dont get high production. and less talented players that get more production.

maybe this analogy will be better. eric may came in as a more highly regarded talent than devyn marble. now which of those two is considered the better player? obviously injuries have hurt may but he relied too much on pure athleticism in my belief anyway. where as marble isnt incredibly quick or as good of a jumper but boy he makes a lot of guys look bad trying to guard him.

remember arob took the job at rb because of injuries. but when people got healthy he didnt give it back until he got hurt. he held coker off for a long time and he had incredible talent (not speed but talent). coming out of college tim tebow was more talented than tom brady but i dont think anyone is wanting tebow over brady as their qb. and if they do they have problems.

Eric May is a better athlete, Marble is a better basketball player.

Tim Tebow is a better athlete, Brady is a better quarterback.

Not that hard.

 

[cmhawks99]

The comparison to the ARob situation fails at about every level. You're talking NFL vs. college, NFL HoFer's versus run of the mill Iowa RB's...it's a poor illustration to try and draw an analogy to the situation on far too many levels.

It is definitely not a 1-off analogy....but what we are arguing here is really opinion and definition of talent. They and maybe you are defining Adam (or at least appear to be) by the fact that he got caught from behind and didn’t have explosive plays.

So in that framework the Emmitt to Barry comment is apropos, because we are trying to define the definition of talent. If it is by on field performance then quite frankly Adam showed plenty of talent.

If it is just some obscure definition then quite frankly I vote for Jermelle Lewis as the most supremely talented…get what I’m saying? For some reason far beyond me Iowa fans NEVER gave ARob the credit he deserved and I’ve seen multiple people I respect AND journalists opine the same. Marc Morehouse had an article about just that 2 years ago.

 

[trj]

Wasn't the most talented guy in the world, but he was great in pass protection, had good hands coming out of the backfield and most importantly he understood how to get yardage in this blocking scheme. I would have took him as a compliment to Coker last year. Imo, Coker left a lot of yardage out on the field.


I do not have sources or inside info so I do not know what went on behind the scenes..... I for one hopes he gets his life turned around.

 

[cmhawks99]

Re: Per Mike Hlas: Adam Robinson is back

Nobody said his production was poor. Of the RB's I listed that have played significantly since the 2004 season, ARob had the least amount of talent. Thats not a total knock on him, just makes you think that we have had a decent amount of talent in the backfield for the better part of a decade.

And I even said I may give him a slight edge over Sims, but that would be the only one.

Listen you are totally entitled to your opinion and I’m not dumb to what you are attempting to say…I do however find it somewhat arbitrary if not capricious and impossible to quantify on the field of play.

Quite frankly Marcus Coker, outside of Shonn Greene and Ronnie Harmon is arguably the best TB we’ve had in 30 years and Iowa fans are hard on him as well, because of some ridiculous, mythological “homerunâ€￾ speed silliness that truly barely exists. Lord knows Emmit Smith didn’t have it….

See what I did there.....

 

[cmhawks99]

Wasn't the most talented guy in the world, but he was great in pass protection, had good hands coming out of the backfield and most importantly he understood how to get yardage in this blocking scheme. I would have took him as a compliment to Coker last year. Imo, Coker left a lot of yardage out on the field.


I do not have sources or inside info so I do not know what went on behind the scenes..... I for one hopes he gets his life turned around.

Nice point and I agree with this.....he did leave yardage on the field. Another sad deal about him leaving, he would have improved on that I believe and then really been an asset.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

Wasn't the most talented guy in the world, but he was great in pass protection, had good hands coming out of the backfield and most importantly he understood how to get yardage in this blocking scheme. I would have took him as a compliment to Coker last year. Imo, Coker left a lot of yardage out on the field.


I do not have sources or inside info so I do not know what went on behind the scenes..... I for one hopes he gets his life turned around.

I thinbk what everyone is missing is that a big factor in his leaving MN/Duluth is an Achilles tendon injury. That is tough to recover from for ANY RB.

I just hope he can keep a positive outlook and get on with life, whether that includes football or not.

 

[David79]

There is no mistake Robinson didn't have a lot of talent but he maximized what talent he did have and he busted his butt on the field.

 

[DuffMan]

Who cares if there are 1000 RB's with faster 40 times than Smith? Speed does not equal football talent. All Im saying is that Smith was one of the most talented RB's in the history of the NFL. You dont have the most rushing yards in the history of the NFL without having a heck of a lot of talent.

Actually I agree, but when people say Adam wasn't talented they are going off his measurables, period. His on field product was very good�..in fact I�m still researching just that while waiting for the next comment.

arobs on.field production was barely average, and compared to other iowa backs was substandard.

 

[cmhawks99]

arobs on.field production was barely average, and compared to other iowa backs was substandard.

Duff,

That’s your opinion but its is not substantiated.....

Adam Robinson Statistics | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

Albert Young Statistics | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

Fred Russell Statistics | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

Marcus Coker Statistics | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

His yards per carry (which I’ve never been to interested in as long as it is 4.5 plus) is solid and his yards per play from scrimmage is very solid.

 

[cmhawks99]

Duff,

That’s your opinion but its is not substantiated.....

Adam Robinson Statistics | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

Albert Young Statistics | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

Fred Russell Statistics | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

Marcus Coker Statistics | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

His yards per carry (which I’ve never been to interested in as long as it is 4.5 plus) is solid and his yards per play from scrimmage is very solid.

For the record I didn't add Hampton (and I was a Hampton fan) because his body of work isn't comparable....

Jewel Hampton Statistics | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

And Damian Simms while a decent amount of work, it too is hard to compare...

Damian Sims Statistics | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

 

[DuffMan]

yes, hes the least productive guy on that list. thanks for proving my point. he was a substabdard starting rb by iowa standards.

 

[DuffMan]

yes, hes the least productive guy on that list. thanks for proving my point. he was a substabdard starting rb by iowa standards.

 

[Scorpio79]

kewl dubble post, Chuckle HutDuff

 

[cmhawks99]

yes, hes the least productive guy on that list. thanks for proving my point. he was a substabdard starting rb by iowa standards.

Duff that kind of stuff don't work with me, I knew what they said and what I was doing…… I clearly never cherry picked, I let the stats of a somewhat over worked Sophomore speak for themselves.

By the by they spoke very clearly.........You’ve tried, somewhat hard for some reason, to suggest they aren’t comparable. Guess what….they are...

 

[Scorpio79]

Robinson was serviceable; Wegher was mercurial. Neither was great, and I don't believe either would have become great, if they had what it took to stick around four years.