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Ian Pike Hammer
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Assuming that's true, can he stay out of foul trouble?
Peeps are saying that Joe T is better than advertised
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Assuming that's true, can he stay out of foul trouble?
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Ian Pike Hammer
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Quickness can be "in-born" or taught by "anticipation on defense" and on-court knowledge. I always preached anticipation on defense. That's how steals are accomplished.
NorthKCHawk
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Not sure why everyone is getting so testy. The reality is that Moss and Cook were great players and I enjoyed watching them play. I am actually more concerned with losing Bohannon though. In any event, there is no question that this team will be very DIFFERENT than last year's team. If we are honest with ourselves, the odds suggest that we will be worse given the loss of 2 key starters (and Moss, who was not a key starter to me, just a starter).
Focusing on Bohannon and Cook, they were both incredible scorers last year and did in fact bust their asses for the team and got the team close to the Sweet 16. But, they clearly had flaws in their defensive games, and I do believe that the team offensive concepts suffered a bit at times.
While statistics suggest we take a step back, I do think there are some intriguing new faces, coupled with a massively talented front court and an all-conference candidate 3, that suggest to me this team actually COULD be overall better. It certainly should be better on D, the question is whether they can replace Cook and Bohannon's offense. Time will tell. If Joe T is the Day 1 starter, I like where things are heading.
Focusing on Bohannon and Cook, they were both incredible scorers last year and did in fact bust their asses for the team and got the team close to the Sweet 16. But, they clearly had flaws in their defensive games, and I do believe that the team offensive concepts suffered a bit at times.
While statistics suggest we take a step back, I do think there are some intriguing new faces, coupled with a massively talented front court and an all-conference candidate 3, that suggest to me this team actually COULD be overall better. It certainly should be better on D, the question is whether they can replace Cook and Bohannon's offense. Time will tell. If Joe T is the Day 1 starter, I like where things are heading.
Iowa had a lot of late second,dramatic wins, with JB at the lead in getting it done. That scoring will be missed. However, on the other hand, Iowa was so often subject to long scoring droughts, and long stretches of lack luster defensive interest to go along with a lack of athletic quickness which is often key for good defense. With better defensive effort, more fundamental team defensive play, plus players who love defense Iowa could be more able to avoid those lulls on both ends of the court. Hopefully they will need less dramatic late heroics and become more of a team that is a difficult to play against, a full game team, grinding effort to wear out opponents. It should be interesting to see the contrasts. I am hopeful and excited to see the new product. Each year is different and offers many surprises among players and team results. JT and others will also be able to slot into an open leadership role. The change might be dramatic.
What about a kid with innate quickness and anticipation? There's a solid possibility JoeT ends up with both. Which will make him a nightmare for other teams and potentially shorten his Iowa career if he has the offense to go with it...
Exactly. Top to bottom, there's a chance we're more athletic and talented this year. But there's way too many question marks to say for certain. At PG, JT has a chance to be huge plus on defense and mitigate the loss of Bohannon offensively. I think Baraki and CJ can be an upgrade at the 2 over last season with some speculation that Moss left due to CJ's progression and I have to imagine Connor will take a real step forward this off-season with a renewed focus on basketball. We'll miss Baer as the backup at the 3, but Patrick should help mitigate that and we're all excited to see what Wieskamp can bring this year. At the 4, IMO, Pemsl>>Kriener and Nunge is another guy we're excited about. Not too often you end up with a 7'0 power forward that can shoot the 3. Garza will finally get a chance to show us what he can be too. Remember that last year he lost a significant amount of training with his off season surgery.
But the number of question marks in that are astounding. JT, Baraki, Patrick, and CJ are unknowns. There's a chance Connor, Nunge, and Pemsl aren't improved. That's 7 players that could be middling or worse. I think from the inklings I've heard, we're more towards the former take rather than the latter, but I completely understand how all the preseason projections could have us pegged as bottom dwellers. The recency bias of our bad seasons is outweighing the good right now compounded with the loss of 3 of our top scorers, our top two guards on a team that was very top heavy on guard talent and our best post player. I love it when we prove them wrong though.
NorthKCHawk
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+1. Well said.
I agree. That's why Baer can play like he's the quickest guy on the team even tho he's probably nowhere near the quickest guy on the team.
I've seen you downplay CJ twice now in this thread. Is that from watching him play or inside knowledge from others? In your opinion, are we in big trouble at the 2 next year? Do you think Wieskamp will end up spending most of his time there out of necessity?
You beat me to it. I heard great things about CJ and interesting speculation over the course of the past year, but not as much this off-season.
BigD
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A good question is how do our new recruits rank with the conference teams? I think we have a tendency to compare our incoming new players to past players and see upgraded skills, but what is our competition doing? That is really important.
JT sounds like a huge improvement but where would he stand on our conference foes team. Would he be sitting on the bench? Of course we won’t know until we see if he really is as good as some think. For sure his defense should be an upgrade if he has good quickness. We got killed on the defensive side of the court because opponent’s guards were getting by our guards and breaking down our defensive sets.If we can stop that then our defense should see huge strides.
JT sounds like a huge improvement but where would he stand on our conference foes team. Would he be sitting on the bench? Of course we won’t know until we see if he really is as good as some think. For sure his defense should be an upgrade if he has good quickness. We got killed on the defensive side of the court because opponent’s guards were getting by our guards and breaking down our defensive sets.If we can stop that then our defense should see huge strides.
RobHowe
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I'm not downplaying CJF. I'm clearing up speculation, which I believe both times came from N8theGr8, who said he is above average in quickness (I don't even know one would measure that) and the reason Moss left was because of his improvement.
I happen to like CJF as I do JT. I think they're going to be good players.
I happen to like CJF as I do JT. I think they're going to be good players.
NorthKCHawk
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From what I read, it seems reasonable that Moss left because he was a starter who played 21 minutes a game and was often times not on the court when the game mattered. I doubt he saw that issue improving with 3 additional perimeter players coming in, one of whom shares the coach's last name. While I would prefer that he stayed, his loss is nowhere near as hard to replace as the other two starters.
NorthKCHawk
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The reality is that of the three perimeter spots, we have JW and a bunch of question marks.
At the 1, I hope that Joe T is good enough that he is clearly better than the coach's son, and thus, he starts. If he isn't, I think Connor will be a solid, if not unspectacular PG. Joe will back him up.
The other spot gets filled by Evelyn, CJF, or Patrick, and you fill in JW at the other wing spot. None of us have seen what these guys can do at the high collegiate level.
My gut tells my CJF is a back-up player at this point in his career. I don't think he is a starter as a redshirt frosh.
The safe bet is to start Evelyn at the 2 and leave JW at the 3.
The most upside is for Patrick to start at the 3 and slide JW down. That would be a long line-up. Patrick, by far, has the most upside of any of these guys, but he is likely the most raw. Given that I am rooting for greatness, not goodness, I am rooting for Patrick and Joe T to be starters with JW. We shall see.
At the 1, I hope that Joe T is good enough that he is clearly better than the coach's son, and thus, he starts. If he isn't, I think Connor will be a solid, if not unspectacular PG. Joe will back him up.
The other spot gets filled by Evelyn, CJF, or Patrick, and you fill in JW at the other wing spot. None of us have seen what these guys can do at the high collegiate level.
My gut tells my CJF is a back-up player at this point in his career. I don't think he is a starter as a redshirt frosh.
The safe bet is to start Evelyn at the 2 and leave JW at the 3.
The most upside is for Patrick to start at the 3 and slide JW down. That would be a long line-up. Patrick, by far, has the most upside of any of these guys, but he is likely the most raw. Given that I am rooting for greatness, not goodness, I am rooting for Patrick and Joe T to be starters with JW. We shall see.
NorthKCHawk
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I was 3 minutes under on my estimate somewhat on purpose to make my point. He thought he should have had a more pronounced role in the offense, and frankly, I get it.
I will be shocked if he gets that role or those minutes at Kansas, but I am happy for him to get a season playing at Fog Allen. Amazing life experience for him.
Quickness is subjective, but I'm not creating a narrative from thin air. I'm referencing what I've heard. When it's a common thread that keeps being brought up about a guy, I'm willing to believe that he's at least slightly above average.
Fran - “CJ Fredrick is terrific. Gives us a quick, penetrating scoring guard who can play both spots."
Fran again - "He’s complete. He can play the point, he can play the 2, he can come off screens, he can shoot 3s. He’s quick, and he’s a really good athlete. He can guard. He can get to the rim and finish. He can score in a bundle. He gives it up easy. Those guys are hard to find, guys that can really score."
Don Doxsie - "What sort of role will CJ Fredrick play after redshirting this season?
He should see some playing time as a backup shooting guard or a third point guard, and also could help as a situational player when the Hawkeyes need an extra 3-point shooter or added quickness when trying to apply defensive pressure."
And to clarify, I didn't mean to imply it was the only reason he left. But it certainly could have played a role as you've suggested yourself. That does suggest that CJ is good enough to warrant significant minutes this year.
RobHowe
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1. I never suggested Moss left because of anything to do with CJF.
2. If you’ve spent any time listening to Fran over the last decade, he has a tendency for hyperbole when it comes to his players. I enjoy it. It beats being thrown under the bus by Alford. But it also needs to be kept in context.
I’m excited for this basketball season as I am for most. Wieskamp is a stud.
I’m trying to keep a perspective on my expectations for players that have never played in a college game. I think when expectations are overblown, they create issues with players meeting them. Then fans get mad. It can be a vicious cycle.
See: Tyler Cook and Isaiah Moss.
I do have some insight into these players from seeing them practice and hearing from people that watch them regularly whose opinions I respect.
I’m done. I’ve said my piece.
2. If you’ve spent any time listening to Fran over the last decade, he has a tendency for hyperbole when it comes to his players. I enjoy it. It beats being thrown under the bus by Alford. But it also needs to be kept in context.
I’m excited for this basketball season as I am for most. Wieskamp is a stud.
I’m trying to keep a perspective on my expectations for players that have never played in a college game. I think when expectations are overblown, they create issues with players meeting them. Then fans get mad. It can be a vicious cycle.
See: Tyler Cook and Isaiah Moss.
I do have some insight into these players from seeing them practice and hearing from people that watch them regularly whose opinions I respect.
I’m done. I’ve said my piece.
