Painter's Thug Defense

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WinOneThisCentury

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How does Purdue get away with all the hand checking? I can't believe the refs don't force them to clean that up. It's one thing to allow guys to play, but that was ridiculous. Painter gets guys that are physical and perfect the two handed shove as you try to go around them. It's ugly ball. You get the wrong officiating crew and they are done by halftime.
 
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OP, I agree there was a lot of hand-checking, but there are about 22 games per year that get that physical. Eighteen in the Big Ten and four against non-conference teams with pulses. Just the way the games get officiated these days. Both ways.
 
WinOneThisCentury said:
How does Purdue get away with all the hand checking? I can't believe the refs don't force them to clean that up. It's one thing to allow guys to play, but that was ridiculous. Painter gets guys that are physical and perfect the two handed shove as you try to go around them. It's ugly ball. You get the wrong officiating crew and they are done by halftime.
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They also ran hard and also doing that shot blocking thing. Bullies.
 
Cover3 said:
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OP, I agree there was a lot of hand-checking, but there are about 22 games per year that get that physical. Eighteen in the Big Ten and four against non-conference teams with pulses. Just the way the games get officiated these days. Both ways.
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Nobody is blaming the refs for this loss. But, I said in another thread that the refs let Purdue play even more physical in OT. You can say it is up to Iowa to match their physicality, but there is no way it goes uncalled against the visiting team. And that is the reality of life on the road in college basketball. You battle the crowd, you battle home cooking, that is fact most of the time.
 
Cyhawk said:
This is a big 10 issue not a Purdue issue
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We've seen that from many teams -- MSU, Michigan, Wisky and fOSU come to mind -- and we'll see it with Minny. Get used to it, match it, see how far you can take it. Problem is our guards (Marble included) don't do much of it themselves.
 
My point was that it is ugly basketball and it gets to a point where, regardless of whether both teams get away with it, it makes the game less fun to watch and I don't believe that is the way the game is intended to be played. Sure there is contact and physicality in the big 10, but that yesterday was ridiculous. It hasn't been that physical in the previous games. When you have two freshmen guards, it puts you at a serious disadvantage.
 
If Iowa played tough this wouldn't be an issue. Iowa is playing soft right now and every other team in the conference (including Nebraska and even Penn State) play tougher.
 
Why are some fans just now realizing that some of the B1G conference games get physical? Have you not been watching ever? It's the way the conference is and some teams get away with it, that's why you see such low scoring games in conference. If you don't like it you can always be a fan of a different team in a different conference. Like others have said, Iowa is playing too soft compared to other teams, not everyone on the team is, but some are. Other coaches and teams have the respect and reputation to get away with it, Iowa and FM don't yet.
 
IMO I think if we start attacking the basket and going up stronger then the physical play isn't nearly as much of an issue. Iowa allows themselves to get bullied, because they they don't match that intensity. In regards to how the physical play is making the games harder to watch and taking the fun out of things, I think shooting as poorly as we did yesterday was harder on me than Purdue's physical play. As much as it pains me to say it, I think were using physical play as an excuse to justify horrendous shooting. If we even made 40% of our shots I don't think we'd be complaining about how physical other teams are.
 
We beat wisconsin by hand checking them all game as well. If the refs let you do it, your stupid for not doing it.
 
kicker22 said:
IMO I think if we start attacking the basket and going up stronger then the physical play isn't nearly as much of an issue. Iowa allows themselves to get bullied, because they they don't match that intensity. In regards to how the physical play is making the games harder to watch and taking the fun out of things, I think shooting as poorly as we did yesterday was harder on me than Purdue's physical play. As much as it pains me to say it, I think were using physical play as an excuse to justify horrendous shooting. If we even made 40% of our shots I don't think we'd be complaining about how physical other teams are.
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I also think you are seeing that Iowa is pretty one dimensional and is in trouble if a team is able to take away the transition game, which more and more looks like a crutch for Iowa because no one can shoot other than lay-ups and jams. Wisconsin did that in the second half and nearly came all the way back from a large deficit. Ohio State won by controlling the tempo; Purdue did, too.
 
Like someone said, this isn't isolated to Purdue.

Last year, I want to 6 of Michigan's home Big Ten games and it was every team.

When players went through the lane, grabbed, in corners got held and pushed out of bounds.

The worst ones: Purdue, Wisconsin and Illinois
The cleanest games: Indiana, Ohio State (outside of Craft, he is the worst, when his hands are down he grabs the lead arm of the offensive player all the time)
Didn't matter: Northwestern

Michigan was bullied by Purdue at home last season and lost and almost did again this year.

Some teams just match up better due to styles. Michigan isn't a physical team and I didn't see a lot of the grabbing and holding that the other teams mentioned do, even this year when I watched the Iowa game.
 
I clearly saw McCabe extend his elbow and arm in the chest of the defender to get some separation in the 1st half, so it was going both ways....the refs let them play, and that's fine.....and who cares about Purdue's defense....your main goal is to get the ball in the basket and we proved once again that we can't deliver when we have open looks....we continue to play tentative on offense and pretty damn soft on defense....someone needs to step up and put their big boy pants on and start playing with more aggression (wrong term), maybe with more assertiveness
 
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