whammer33024
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actually shocked cockeyed is allowed on here. but i'm with you. i still think rudock gets the job and i think he does some good things this season.
Over/Under Totals for Iowa, Rest of Big Ten
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actually shocked cockeyed is allowed on here. but i'm with you. i still think rudock gets the job and i think he does some good things this season.
thejumper5
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Some more stats:
By my count 2012 saw 17 teams with a primary quarterback who had never before thrown a pass and 14 featured a QB who had thrown fewer than 50 career passes. 6 of 17 (35.3%) of the QBs with zero career passes led their teams to 8+ wins, and 8 of 14 (57.1%) teams with very inexperienced QBs led their teams to 8+ wins. In sum, teams with QBs with zero or limited experience won 8+ games 45.2% of the time last year.
By my count 2012 saw 17 teams with a primary quarterback who had never before thrown a pass and 14 featured a QB who had thrown fewer than 50 career passes. 6 of 17 (35.3%) of the QBs with zero career passes led their teams to 8+ wins, and 8 of 14 (57.1%) teams with very inexperienced QBs led their teams to 8+ wins. In sum, teams with QBs with zero or limited experience won 8+ games 45.2% of the time last year.
DDStretch
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Marcus Mariota, Terrelle Pryor, Danny Wuerffel, Kellen Moore, Colt McCoy, Pat White, Tommie Frazier, Sam Bradford and Jamelle Holieway say hello.
Holieway happened in 1985 (28 years) and there are roughly, what, 115 teams in college football. So, we're at 1 in 322 just using freshmen who have never played.
You were close, though.
thejumper5
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Some more stats:
While at Texas, Greg Davis was the OC for a team with a primary QB who had thrown zero or very few passes 4 times. Texas won 8+ games in 3 of those 4 seasons. While at North Carolina for 2 seasons, Davis' offenses were led by QBs with zero experience or limited experience both years. UNC won 8+ games both seasons. While at Georgia from '94-'95, his QBs in '95 (one was named Hines Ward) fit this profile, but Georgia won only 6 games that year; however, Georgia played only 1 non-BCS team that season, they played only 11 regular season games that year, and they didn't go to a bowl though they had six wins.
While at Texas, Greg Davis was the OC for a team with a primary QB who had thrown zero or very few passes 4 times. Texas won 8+ games in 3 of those 4 seasons. While at North Carolina for 2 seasons, Davis' offenses were led by QBs with zero experience or limited experience both years. UNC won 8+ games both seasons. While at Georgia from '94-'95, his QBs in '95 (one was named Hines Ward) fit this profile, but Georgia won only 6 games that year; however, Georgia played only 1 non-BCS team that season, they played only 11 regular season games that year, and they didn't go to a bowl though they had six wins.
OUTofTOWNHAWK
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Man this really makes me think......What the heck was goin on last year?
thejumper5
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I think there's about a 50% chance that Davis has just gotten old and the game has slipped from him a little bit, and there's a 50% chance Iowa just seriously lacked talent, especially at WR. His offenses were very good, sometimes even great, for the better part of 20 years, but 2010 rolled around and his offense at Texas all of a sudden sucked. Then he comes to Iowa after a year off, and his offense sucks again, so maybe he's slipping; however, I think we all can acknowledge that Iowa doesn't have the WR speed that was in place at Texas or that would have been in place at UNC or UGA. Davis himself said from day 1 in the Spring of '12 that Iowa needed to seriously upgrade the WR speed, and the coaches made a concerted effort to recruit that last year, bringing in 7 guys who will likely be considered for WR spots.
OUTofTOWNHAWK
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Ya know with faster wrs some of those short passes would have been bigger plays. However what I dont understand is how he couldnt get JVB to understand what was going on. JVB has pretty good talent. They said all the time how he put in the effort off the field. Its like he had as much or less understanding of what was going on with his wrs at the end of the year. Wrs were open so you cant blame that they didnt have enough speed to get open downfield.
Iowa rarely stays healthy. They had a good two year run in 2001-2002 and then again in 2008 saw good fortune. Outside of that that had at least one catastrophic/season altering injury each season and usually more than one. At this point you have to expect that Iowa will suffer significant injuries to key player(s).
Its not a matter of if they happen, its a matter of if Iowa can overcome them like they did in 2003, 2004, and 2009.
FreedComanche
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Here is what I said in one of my posts......
"The reason why I don't think any d-1a team in the nation can win with a qb that's not taken a snap in a college football game (save the big teams like Bama) is because of what I have heard from coaches."
I did not say no team can win with a qb that has not taken a snap in a game. And it appears that there are some smaller schools that can win 8+ games with that new of qb.
Here is what you stated in your post..........
"In 2012, there were 56 FBS teams that won 8+ games. 6 of 56 (10.7%) won 8+ games with a QB who had never before thrown a collegiate pass."
So, that means 6 D-1A teams won 8+ games with a QB that had not thrown a collegiate pass. And, according to your numbers, 10.7% of all the d-1a teams in America who had a qb that hadn't thrown a pass before in a college game, won 8+ games. Correct?
Not trying to be a smart alec, but does this not prove my point? 10.7% is a very low percentage. Would this not seem to indicate the odds are big time against a team winning 8+ games with a qb that hadn't thrown a college game day pass?
FreedComanche
thejumper5
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Slight misunderstanding. 10.7% of teams who won 8+ games were led by a QB with zero prior experience. 6 of 17 (35.3%) teams with a QB with zero prior experience won 8+ games. I agree with you to an extent that it is very difficult for a QB with zero experience to win, but I just wanted to provide some concrete numbers so we could see the reality.
I think he was saying that 10.7% of ALL the teams that won +8 started new QBs (not 10.7% of just the teams that started new QBs, won +8). That's a big difference. It may be better to look at what % of only the teams that started new QBs won 8 or more.
OUTofTOWNHAWK
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Can I please get a % for those QBs-
How many of them had red hair?
How many of them were from Florida?
How many of them are JUCO transfers?
The numbers should tell us who should start.
How many of them had red hair?
How many of them were from Florida?
How many of them are JUCO transfers?
The numbers should tell us who should start.
that 08' team was a top 10 team at the end of the year in my opinion
FreedComanche
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FreedComanche
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Come on, man. I think you are better than that.
You are correct when you say Iowa should be able to run the ball on lots of teams this year. However, if they can't pass the run game will suffer so bad that they won't be able win with that alone.
FreedComanche
I agree with Freed, Iowa has to be able to pass. Whammer's point was back in '08 with Stanzi handing off to Shonn Greene, well think about the end of the Northwestern game that year. Greene was out because of a helmet to helmet hit that didn't get call and Stanzi couldn't get the ball in the endzone from inside the 10. Besides, comparing Iowa's RB stable to Shonn Greene the Doak Walker award winner that year seems a bit premature. Weisman is good but Doak Walker award winning good? Iowa has to pass down field and a lot better than last season or the same thing will happen the opposing defenses will just stack the box.
OUTofTOWNHAWK
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I agree in the fact that they have to atleast throw down field. Iowa made it very easy on defenses last year. For the most part people know what Iowa is going to do but last year it was like they made an agreement with other team in what they wouldnt do.
DDStretch
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I agree 100%, too. You can't get away with not being able to pass in today's college football.
But, I just can't see Iowa's passing game being any worse than it was last year. It was atrocious. James Vandenberg was atrocious. It was painfully obvious he lacked confidence in being able to run that offense. He looked out of sync the majority of the time he was under center, he rarely passed to anyone but his primary and it seemed every time he called an audible, he did so to a running play, telling me he was unsure of where to throw the football.
Most likely, this year's starting QB will take some lumps throughout the year, but I fully believe the success of the Hawkeyes primarily will depend on the health of the offensive line and how much the defense has improved. Iowa could have a very good offensive line. The defense simply has to get pressure on the quarterback and make plays.
OUTofTOWNHAWK
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What scares me is JVB is with the Vikings.......I dont think Iowa has any other Qbs ready to go to the Vikings. The fact that you cant get JVB to figure out the offense and you didnt play another QB makes me think the problem was between two coaches not players.
