Our big win out the window?
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hawkeyescott
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Who cares. If Iowa has the season most expect RPI won't be an issue. RPI is more for bubble teams and barring a complete collapse Iowa isn't a bubble team.
eveningnewsteam
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Why would you assume that? Its a road game in the Big 10 against a good opponent
HawkeyeMHA
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Nah, this team just needs to win. Focus isn't as much about anyone else as it is on them to play and win. Were going to be just fine. As Walt said in breaking bad, "I'm not in danger, I AM THE DANGER!"
ssckelley
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True, in my defense it did keep Iowa out of the tournament last season. But I not the only one, our obsession with RPI is why you see threads like this one and opponent game threads.
Evidently a lot of people care, if you do not care then ignore my posts. But the facts are RPI is not only used by the committee to determine participation in the tournament but it is also used for seeding purposes.
WOW, we definitely need another game to talk about as some are getting cranky around here.
I would say the loss in Lincoln kept Iowa out of the tourney last year. That win would not have changed our RPI dramatically.
ssckelley
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You got that right!
ssckelley
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Yeah it would have, that win would have counted as a 1.4 win instead of a .6 loss. That is a decent swing in win percentage which is 25% of the RPI score. As you get deeper into the season the teams wins and losses move the RPI score more than your opponents wins/losses.
All of Iowa's losses kept them out of the tournament, if you flip any one of them into a win and Iowa is in the tournament.
1977Hawkeye
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But if Iowa had gotten in, it would have had a really lousy seed due to a bad RPI. It's not about just making the tournament, you want a good seed as well so that you aren't playing as difficult of games in the 1st and 2nd rounds...
Even this year, even though RPI may not be an issue as far as Iowa making the tournament, a higher RPI will get us a better seed.
RPI always matters IMO.
Edit: I just noticed that our RPI is now 33... It was 21 the other day.
Of course it would have been a lousy seed because they would have been one of the last bubble teams to make the field. That has very little to do with RPI and more to do with being one of the last at large bids.
If Iowa wins the games they should this year the seeding and RPI will take care of itself. Bubble teams should pay attention to their opponents games as far as RPI is concerned. Teams that are battling to win the best conference in college basketball dont have to do that. We should be more interested in rooting against Wisky, OSU, MSU and Michigan every chance we get.
So tell me how many spots a win in Lincoln would have affected Iowa's RPI last year instead of a loss.
If the season ended today I bet we are a lot closer to a 4 seed (where our ranking puts us) than we are an 8 seed (where our RPI puts us). I think RPI comes into play very little if at all for top 15 teams.
The most important part of the OSU win was the national attention it gave us. It was a huge win in that aspect and that won't change no matter what OSU does the rest of the season. With all the teams that have lost ahead of us, we have a good shot at being in the top 10 next week assuming we beat Minnesota. The OSU helped get us in that position, we aren't going to be banking on that win to get into the tournament this year
ibahawkeye
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Man I can't wait for Sunday... Ready to talk some actual basketball stuff.. The numbers and RPI stuff just bores me.
Not judging if your into it and I know it's important to seeding I just can't get excited to care.
Not judging if your into it and I know it's important to seeding I just can't get excited to care.
1977Hawkeye
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You guys makes some good points. Hopefully the fact that Iowa is ranked Top 15 would be more of a factor than RPI. I just can't help but think of Oregon last year, though. They won the Pac 12, and the Pac 12 tournament, and were given a 12 seed. 12??? I just checked, and they finished the season with an RPI of 46. That's awfully low for a Pac 12 conference champ. That said, I am not sure what they were ranked in the polls at the end of the season, and IIRC the Pac 12 was considered to be very weak last year, weaker than usual. So maybe that explains the 12 seed.
1977Hawkeye
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Amen to that!
ssckelley
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Tough to do, but I will have a go at it.
In looking at last years schedule, if I did this correctly and my math is right, Iowa ended up with a weighted win percentage of .616 (15.4 wins, 9.6 losses). Say you flip the loss at Nebraska to a win that win percentage jumps to .651 (16.8 wins, 9 losses). That is a difference of .035, divide that number by 4 since it is 25% of the RPI score and you get .00875. Iowa ended up with an RPI score of .551 which was good for 78th (using ESPN), add on the RPI difference (.00875) and you get .55975 RPI which would have moved Iowa up to 64th.
This is not exact since there are other minor adjustments that take place when you convert losses into wins. But it gives you a general idea of the impact the win percentage has on the RPI at the end of the season. Right now Iowa's RPI is jumping all over the place on a day to day basis that is because every win or loss a previous opponent gets moves the RPI score more now than it does at the end of the season. At the end of the season the opponents wins or losses do not have much of an impact because the numbers are so large while Iowa's wins or losses moves it more since you are still moving a relatively small number.
deanvogs
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Yip we already got the media attention for the win, mission accomplished.
So a win at Nebraska, who IIRC, was a fringe Top 100 team last year would have moved us 14 spots in the RPI rankings?
That seems hard to believe.
