Oliver Martin...

I still have that warm Christmas afterglow when I ponder how Iowa is nice enough to train Brian for a few years at the OC position, OJT, with pops as his wing-man.

Talented WRs (and others) go to Wisconsin because the program has learned how to win and their coaches are winners and actually are pretty good at in game play calling and leadership. Perhaps more appealing than a stuck in the mud offense with a confused HC on the sidelines.

Why didn't Martin come to Iowa...gosh, I don't know.
 
Kennyfromminne said:
We dont get stud recievers because they dont wanna come to a boring offense where they aren't utilized.
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I've always felt the same way, but, I have to admit, I find it strange that other "run-oriented" programs can still reel them in.

Look at Georgia Tech. It has had some of the best WRs in college football over the past 15 years, yet it runs the "flexbone" offense. Hardly an offense that emphasizes passing to the WRs.
 
#1DieHardHawk said:
I've always felt the same way, but, I have to admit, I find it strange that other "run-oriented" programs can still reel them in.

Look at Georgia Tech. It has had some of the best WRs in college football over the past 15 years, yet it runs the "flexbone" offense. Hardly an offense that emphasizes passing to the WRs.
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We have decent receivers now. We just need to trust 1 or 2 of them to actually throw the ball up when we have isolated 1 on 1 coverage. When we had Marvin McNutt, Stanzi trusted him enough to throw him the ball even when tightly covered. Until Stanley has enough gumption to throw the ball to a good receiver in 1 on 1 coverage we will probably look pedestrian in the passing game.
 
Adam said:
We have decent receivers now. We just need to trust 1 or 2 of them to actually throw the ball up when we have isolated 1 on 1 coverage. When we had Marvin McNutt, Stanzi trusted him enough to throw him the ball even when tightly covered. Until Stanley has enough gumption to throw the ball to a good receiver in 1 on 1 coverage we will probably look pedestrian in the passing game.
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You can't put it all on Stanley. Our receivers haven't shown the ability to consistently catch the easy ones, let alone the contested ones.

But I agree they need to take more shots (hoping to get the PI before the receiver has a chance to drop it). And hopefully with that Stanley will get better at putting enough air under his passes to give the receivers a chance.
 
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hawkeyes87 said:
You can't put it all on Stanley. Our receivers haven't shown the ability to consistently catch the easy ones, let alone the contested ones.

I agree they need to take more shots (hoping to get the PI before the receiver has a chance to drop it). And hopefully with that Stanley will get better at putting enough air under his passes to give the receivers a chance.
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Ya I'm not meaning to come off as putting anything particular on Stanley. I think he is tremendous so early. Yes the receivers have dropped open balls, but I circle back around to getting 2 targets a game puts a mountain of pressure on a WR's shoulders, and drops get in your head. 6 to 7 targets a game should cure that. It is the coaches job to tell Stanley "this is our go to WR" and make sure that guy sees the targets indicative of that role.
 
Adam said:
We have decent receivers now. We just need to trust 1 or 2 of them to actually throw the ball up when we have isolated 1 on 1 coverage. When we had Marvin McNutt, Stanzi trusted him enough to throw him the ball even when tightly covered. Until Stanley has enough gumption to throw the ball to a good receiver in 1 on 1 coverage we will probably look pedestrian in the passing game.
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Maybe. I think the jury is still out. Young and Falconer's lack of development really hurt us.

ISM flashes but his drops are frustrating. He will mature though. I do like Cooper, and I think he will do some very good things before it's all said and done. I'd also like to see more of Beyer. He could be a match-up nightmare on the outside.

I know a lot of fans are high on Smith, but personally I wasn't that impressed. Admitedly, though, he had very limited chances. A lot could change, but I'm concerned about his lack of suddenness and burst. Probably has good long speed, and we definitely know he can jump. Time will tell if it translates. I hope I'm wrong, but I could see him as a transfer casuality if he doesn't win a starting spot this spring.
 
revkev73 said:
I still have that warm Christmas afterglow when I ponder how Iowa is nice enough to train Brian for a few years at the OC position, OJT, with pops as his wing-man.

Talented WRs (and others) go to Wisconsin because the program has learned how to win and their coaches are winners and actually are pretty good at in game play calling and leadership. Perhaps more appealing than a stuck in the mud offense with a confused HC on the sidelines.

Why didn't Martin come to Iowa...gosh, I don't know.
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Confused enough to win the BIG West 2 years ago and have 3 Top 8 Finishes... he really has no idea what he's doing out there. Just throwing crap against the wall and hoping it sticks... very confused crushing OSU this year... I'm not even sure he knew we won when the game was over...
 
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Maybe. I think the jury is still out. Young and Falconer's lack of development really hurt us.

ISM flashes but his drops are frustrating. He will mature though. I do like Cooper, and I think he will do some very good things before it's all said and done. I'd also like to see more of Beyer. He could be a match-up nightmare on the outside.

I know a lot of fans are high on Smith, but personally I wasn't that impressed. Admitedly, though, he had very limited chances. A lot could change, but I'm concerned about his lack of suddenness and burst. Probably has good long speed, and we definitely know he can jump. Time will tell if it translates. I hope I'm wrong, but I could see him as a transfer casuality if he doesn't win a starting spot this spring.
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I am still very high on Smith. We completely used him wrong this year. He is not an underneath WR. He is a over the top WR. He is a guy that has the size to consistently beat 6ft CB's for the ball. He looked like he was swimming in his pads this year. Let the kid have an off season strength and conditioning and put some more man girth on him and he will be a 1 on 1 nightmare.

He has the speed. I have seen him and Fant race. He beats Fant by 5 yards in a 20 yard sprint. He is not as fast as ISM but neither were DJK or McNutt. He doesn't need to be Hussain Bolt. He just needs to get deeper than 25 in under 4 seconds, box out the CB and high point the football. That and blocking are the only skills he should be practicing this early in his development.
 
#1DieHardHawk said:
I've always felt the same way, but, I have to admit, I find it strange that other "run-oriented" programs can still reel them in.

Look at Georgia Tech. It has had some of the best WRs in college football over the past 15 years, yet it runs the "flexbone" offense. Hardly an offense that emphasizes passing to the WRs.
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There is a quote from Darien Porter of bettendorf i read somewhere who is going to isu, that said something along the lines of wanting to go to a school who uses the wr evenly. How does a kid with that size and speed not get an Iowa offer being from where he's at??
 
HomerChampless said:
Many, including you, are saying getting athletes to come to Iowa is impossible to do. I say look at the time Evashevski coached at Iowa (not AD). He encouraged athletes with high enough athletic ability to come to Iowa to make Iowa a national powerhouse in the 1950s.

Those who say high-starred athletes won't come to Iowa for one reason or another are just apologists for KF and his regime. Hey, they come to Wisconsin. Explain why they'd come to Wisconsin but not to Iowa. Wisconsin is as totally dependent on out-of-state, high-starred, high school athletes as Iowa.

That's right. You know one of the answers. It's reputation of the programs. Wisky's program will use the athleticism of its high-starred athletes a whole lot more (even though Wisky doesn't use the athleticism of its players as much as, let's say, a Big XII school) than Iowa's program will.
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Read the book. It was a different time/era. Remember, black athletes weren't always treated well at other schools. Iowa was regarded as being ahead of the curve in that respect, although the "black boycott"--which, ironically, happened while Evy was AD--certainly didn't help.

You asked how Evy did it. I answered. I made no apologies for anyone. That's your tin-foil hat talkin', sport.
 
revkev73 said:
I still have that warm Christmas afterglow when I ponder how Iowa is nice enough to train Brian for a few years at the OC position, OJT, with pops as his wing-man.

Talented WRs (and others) go to Wisconsin because the program has learned how to win and their coaches are winners and actually are pretty good at in game play calling and leadership. Perhaps more appealing than a stuck in the mud offense with a confused HC on the sidelines.

Why didn't Martin come to Iowa...gosh, I don't know.
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OM didn't come to Iowa because he wanted to be buried by better talent so he could stand around eating popcorn and take in all the festivities. Hey I went to Michigan and played for the biggest phony of all time. Help me out here but just how many TD's did Michigan's WR's score this year? I bet they put up 300 yards a game at least! With all that talent Michigan has I'm sure they just scaled defenses their aerial attack!
 
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Thawki said:
Right. Turning the San Diego program around and going 11-1 twice there and then 11-1 at Stanford and going to the Super Bowl along with three NFC Championship Games in four seasons, none of that mattered. Having a couple of good players is what made a difference in perception only, not reality.

Whatever. You don’t have to like the guy. I sure don’t. But don’t act like he isn’t a pretty good coach.
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Why do so many people not read the quoted post for context? My post was about how good he is at developing QB's. A couple of good QB's gave the perception that he was great at it.
 
Adam said:
I am still very high on Smith. We completely used him wrong this year. He is not an underneath WR. He is a over the top WR. He is a guy that has the size to consistently beat 6ft CB's for the ball. He looked like he was swimming in his pads this year. Let the kid have an off season strength and conditioning and put some more man girth on him and he will be a 1 on 1 nightmare.

He has the speed. I have seen him and Fant race. He beats Fant by 5 yards in a 20 yard sprint. He is not as fast as ISM but neither were DJK or McNutt. He doesn't need to be Hussain Bolt. He just needs to get deeper than 25 in under 4 seconds, box out the CB and high point the football. That and blocking are the only skills he should be practicing this early in his development.
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You're not alone. A lot of fans are high on him, and I sincerely hope they're right. When I watch him, I just don't see that suddenness you look for, and that's a natural trait that can't really be developed. The best WRs explode in and out of breaks, and can bypass press coverage with a quick first step. I just don't know if it's there with him. No doubt, though, he definitely has a match-up advantage in jump ball situations (along with Beyer).

That said, there's no denying that improving his strength and getting him more minutes will benefit him. I'm looking forward to seeing how he develops.
 
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