Oliver Martin...

[hawkeyes87]

So basically BF has similar experience to over half of the OCs in the BigTen.

That's not what I get from your list.

7 of the 11 (I'm not counting "doesn't have OC" / "too many OC's") had previous OC experience. BF did not. At least 2 of the other 4 were position coaches for successful offenses (PSU & IND, maybe MI?). Iowa was not a successful offense.

I thought this thread was about Oliver Martin?

I won't say any more about BF here, so Shock can post something about OM.

 

[Joshbrown]

That's not what I get from your list.

7 of the 11 (I'm not counting "doesn't have OC" / "too many OC's") had previous OC experience. BF did not. At least 2 of the other 4 were position coaches for successful offenses (PSU & IND, maybe MI?). Iowa was not a successful offense.



I won't say any more about BF here, so Shock can post something about OM.

You're talking like an adult with mastery of the facts. That just makes the crowd angry.

 

[judzeehawk]

I thought this thread was about Oliver Martin?

Just another derailed thread from the KF hating posse.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

OK. You have me there. KF has reached his plateau which is an occasional great season followed by loads of mediocrity. You don't think, for example, great athletes will come to Iowa? How did Forest Evashevski get it done? Don't ask KF. He can't do it so he proclaims it can't be done.

All KF needs to do is build the program and athletes will come...not this program.

<<How did Forest Evashevski get it done>>

Read "75 Years With the Fighting Hawkeyes" by Lamb and McGrane. Note the falling off the earth of Willie Fleming. Read what happened with Evy as AD. It explains a lot.

That, and you're talking about two completely different eras of college football.

 

[Adam]

So 1 year isn't enough to say he is worse than GD, but it is enough to say he is better.
HN logic in action.

Lol I'm not sure from what I said that you were able to extrapolate any implied statement that I felt BF was better than GD. That simply is not my stance at this point in time. However I definitely stand by that the offense is uniquely different under Brian. Regardless of offensive production statistics.

 

[Joshbrown]

The notion that Brian will be "given" 3 years to prove himself is comical.
He has a permanent spot and everyone in this thread knows it.
Did KOK have a permanent position? Did GD have a permanent position?
So there is only one explanation for why the current OC has absolute job security and the other two didn't. Guaranteed job security in any field is a bad idea (see the DMV). In coaching, there isn't a worse idea.

 

[theboat]

That's not what I get from your list.

7 of the 11 (I'm not counting "doesn't have OC" / "too many OC's") had previous OC experience. BF did not. At least 2 of the other 4 were position coaches for successful offenses (PSU & IND, maybe MI?). Iowa was not a successful offense.



I won't say any more about BF here, so Shock can post something about OM.

He was the running game coordinator and the OL coach for a team that had 2 thousand yard rushers and won the Joe Moore award.

Your hatred for everything Ferentz is blinding your ability to use logic.

 

[theboat]

You're talking like an adult with mastery of the facts. That just makes the crowd angry.

Mastery of facts? 2 thousand yard rushers last year and the Joe Moore award. Are those not facts?

Again, if the coaches name was Joe Smith and he had coached the OL and the running game from 2016 he would be the best internal candidate for the job. Sure there are more qualified people out there, but promoting within is something that Ferentz has done consistently. Phil Parker got the D-Coordinator job after being a position coach.

 

[Adam]

The notion that Brian will be "given" 3 years to prove himself is comical.
He has a permanent spot and everyone in this thread knows it.
Did KOK have a permanent position? Did GD have a permanent position?
So there is only one explanation for why the current OC has absolute job security and the other two didn't. Guaranteed job security in any field is a bad idea (see the DMV). In coaching, there isn't a worse idea.

Please provide the press release stating that Brian Ferentz has this "job security". Please spare me the defeatist opinions that you have concocted.

Kirk hiring Brian is the classic tie your own rope scenario. Iowa's football boosters believe Kirk has earned the right to make that call and put himself in the noose if the wheels fell off. So do I.

Go to some I Club events and you can meet some of these boosters. They are who you should be arguing with. Donations keep coming in = approval of athletic department decisions. Donate a few 100k and then your opinion will count. Then your individual voice will be heard. If you are a commoner like me then the best you can do is talk to the affluent that hold the program up. Once you do, then you will also see the rational logic applied.

It is understandable to have lost faith in a coach that has a 20 year track record. Transitive property should not apply to Brian though. You are needlessly attacking someone that has barley had time to show his merit yet. I'm sorry, but that is not a rational action. The jury is still out on our offspring OC, but of course there is a measuring stick being applied.

 

[ShockHawk22]

I don't think he is a savior either.
Of course we don't need one, we already have one.
AND, we have a savior in waiting.
Barta needs a raise and extension.

You doing okay buddy? You sound like you have been having a rough couple weeks? You want to talk about it?

 

[ShockHawk22]

That's not what I get from your list.

7 of the 11 (I'm not counting "doesn't have OC" / "too many OC's") had previous OC experience. BF did not. At least 2 of the other 4 were position coaches for successful offenses (PSU & IND, maybe MI?). Iowa was not a successful offense.



I won't say any more about BF here, so Shock can post something about OM.

If you want to debate BF or why you think Kirks time should come to an end go for it... on one of the 500 threads specifically for those topics (I won’t even agrue because I agree). I’m growing tired of clicking on a thread.. reading 3 posts and then have the whole thing derailed and turn into every other thread.

I came to this thread because another message board talked about a transfer WR coming to Iowa and wanted to see if anything new surfaced here.

 

[Knight78]

The "right fit" explanation?
I'm willing to admit that it made no difference who he hired. Iowa is going to have a relatively low scoring offense with KF. "Fit" seems like code for "predictable".
Wasn't there a quote from Brian (maybe it was KF) before the bowl game, "We won't be throwing anything new at them."
lol - yep, sounds like the right fit

No, "Fit" is code for "fits into the overall game philosophy". Kirk has had the same philosophy from Day 1 at Iowa:

1) Strong defense that plays "bend but don't break".
2) Strong special teams.
3) An offense that controls the clock.

The reason the defense plays a "bend but don't break" type is that it is hard for many college football teams to stay "ahead of the chains" to continue to get first downs and move down the field. Also, when the offense controls the clock and the defense doesn't have to be on the field as much. If you go back to our better years you will see that the years the defense did well, the offense controlled the ball a lot during the games.

The reason special teams are high in the mix is that a good punter will flip the field and limit what the opponent's offense can do, making the defense better. Again, if you go back and look at the years we had good punters we also had good records. This year we didn't have a good punt game so we didn't consistently flip the field position. Also, playing the "bend but don't break" defense, when special teams dictate the field position of the opponent then they have to put together a long multi-play drive.

The reason the offense needs to control the clock is to keep the defense off the field as much as possible. A long drive of 12-15 plays that ends with a score is a win not only for the offense, who scores the points, but the defense as well, who isn't on the field.

It amazes me that everyone on this board who carps about the offense SHOULD know these facts about the Ferentz football philosophy; and they should know that a LOT of teams use this philosophy. When I was at Wartburg, the football coach, Don Canfield, had the exact same philosophy and it worked pretty well. Our big football rival was Central, and Ron Schipper had the exact same philosophy and it worked pretty well there.

 

[Joshbrown]

You're talking like an adult with mastery of the facts. That just makes the crowd angry.

called it

 

[Knight78]

Mastery of facts? 2 thousand yard rushers last year and the Joe Moore award. Are those not facts?

Again, if the coaches name was Joe Smith and he had coached the OL and the running game from 2016 he would be the best internal candidate for the job. Sure there are more qualified people out there, but promoting within is something that Ferentz has done consistently. Phil Parker got the D-Coordinator job after being a position coach.

And now, in his sixth year, he is a much better DC than he was in his first year (2012).

 

[HomerChampless]

<<How did Forest Evashevski get it done>>

Read "75 Years With the Fighting Hawkeyes" by Lamb and McGrane. Note the falling off the earth of Willie Fleming. Read what happened with Evy as AD. It explains a lot.

That, and you're talking about two completely different eras of college football.

Many, including you, are saying getting athletes to come to Iowa is impossible to do. I say look at the time Evashevski coached at Iowa (not AD). He encouraged athletes with high enough athletic ability to come to Iowa to make Iowa a national powerhouse in the 1950s.

Those who say high-starred athletes won't come to Iowa for one reason or another are just apologists for KF and his regime. Hey, they come to Wisconsin. Explain why they'd come to Wisconsin but not to Iowa. Wisconsin is as totally dependent on out-of-state, high-starred, high school athletes as Iowa.

That's right. You know one of the answers. It's reputation of the programs. Wisky's program will use the athleticism of its high-starred athletes a whole lot more (even though Wisky doesn't use the athleticism of its players as much as, let's say, a Big XII school) than Iowa's program will.

 

[ArvadaHawk]

Many, including you, are saying getting athletes to come to Iowa is impossible to do. I say look at the time Evashevski coached at Iowa (not AD). He encouraged athletes with high enough athletic ability to come to Iowa to make Iowa a national powerhouse in the 1950s.

Those who say high-starred athletes won't come to Iowa for one reason or another are just apologists for KF and his regime. Hey, they come to Wisconsin. Explain why they'd come to Wisconsin but not to Iowa.

because iowa doesn't have beaches or mountains.

be careful, homer, they're going to throw the population thing at you. same with kNU. there are more people in nebby so that's why frost will make them better than iowa. in all seriousness, iowa better watch out because we're this close to being the 4th best team in the West on a consistent basis. jNW and Fitz ain't going to slow down and Fitz is a lifer at jNW.

 

[HomerChampless]

because iowa doesn't have beaches or mountains.

be careful, homer, they're going to throw the population thing at you. same with kNU. there are more people in nebby so that's why frost will make them better than iowa. in all seriousness, iowa better watch out because we're this close to being the 4th best team in the West on a consistent basis. jNW and Fitz ain't going to slow down and Fitz is a lifer at jNW.

KF apologists.

 

[Kennyfromminne]

The notion that Brian will be "given" 3 years to prove himself is comical.
He has a permanent spot and everyone in this thread knows it.
Did KOK have a permanent position? Did GD have a permanent position?
So there is only one explanation for why the current OC has absolute job security and the other two didn't. Guaranteed job security in any field is a bad idea (see the DMV). In coaching, there isn't a worse idea.

Nepotism at its finest

 

[Kennyfromminne]

Many, including you, are saying getting athletes to come to Iowa is impossible to do. I say look at the time Evashevski coached at Iowa (not AD). He encouraged athletes with high enough athletic ability to come to Iowa to make Iowa a national powerhouse in the 1950s.

Those who say high-starred athletes won't come to Iowa for one reason or another are just apologists for KF and his regime. Hey, they come to Wisconsin. Explain why they'd come to Wisconsin but not to Iowa. Wisconsin is as totally dependent on out-of-state, high-starred, high school athletes as Iowa.

That's right. You know one of the answers. It's reputation of the programs. Wisky's program will use the athleticism of its high-starred athletes a whole lot more (even though Wisky doesn't use the athleticism of its players as much as, let's say, a Big XII school) than Iowa's program will.

We dont get stud recievers because they dont wanna come to a boring offense where they aren't utilized.

 

[westender]

That's not what I get from your list.

7 of the 11 (I'm not counting "doesn't have OC" / "too many OC's") had previous OC experience. BF did not. At least 2 of the other 4 were position coaches for successful offenses (PSU & IND, maybe MI?). Iowa was not a successful offense.



I won't say any more about BF here, so Shock can post something about OM.

So how did Stanley throw the same number of TDs as Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen? Both will be first round picks. He threw fewer picks than both of those guys also and I can guarantee you they had better weapons at their disposal to throw to and were not facing as tough of defenses as Iowa does. But that's not success to Joshy boy on here and others. The problem with the offense was it was streaky, and it was by game, it was either full on or damn near full off and we had rookie tackles and not a lot of experienced guys to throw to. Funny how experience matters pretty much in anything in life except little Joshy's world.