Now Maryland has issues?!
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Fryowa
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Tim Beckman 2.0. He’ll be gone shortly.
Regarding Court, do you all see now why Doyle is worth almost a million bucks a year and universally loved by former players? Read that article and tell me wouldn’t be when you look at douche bags like Court as well as Doyle’s results and reputation among former Iowa FB players.
Regarding Court, do you all see now why Doyle is worth almost a million bucks a year and universally loved by former players? Read that article and tell me wouldn’t be when you look at douche bags like Court as well as Doyle’s results and reputation among former Iowa FB players.
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Steroids are a hell of a drug. Nephew is on an inhaled long-term b2-agonist (I am on albuterol for exercise induced asthma) and his attitude has significantly worsened. He's still a good kid, but he's a slightly more irritable kid now. I know studies have shown that asthma steroids have no pe or attitude effects amongst elite cyclists, but even these low dose meds make you a little more jacked, psychologically.
A lot of the exercise industry uses PEDs. They aren't competing, but I read about behavior like this and it makes you wonder if maybe someone is using. I don't think that disqualifies them as a conditioning coach, but it may warp your perception of what is realistic to expect from your athletes.
I'm encouraged by the Texas hydration program; our coaches witheld water as a toughening up tactic when I was in HS. It's terrible what happened to that kid, for sure, but many millions of people have survived wind sprints in high heat. We should wait till the investigation is completed before drawing conclusions.
I suppose it is a classic bait-and-switch. They sell them on flash, sizzle, and glamour. Then they show up, and it is humiliation and abuse.
Great reporting on that piece, by the way. They got stuff from 2 current players, multiple former players, and I believe 4 former staff members. The quotes were pretty eye-opening.
Fryowa
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Our coaches didn’t withhold water as punishment but it was only once a practice and they treated it like a reward. Not that I’m bashing my coaches (that was pretty much the culture everywhere in the 80s/90s) but it sucked and we had people get a little sick once in a while. They also kept the water in the tunnel leading out of the elementary school which was about 600 yards away. When it was water time we had to run to get it and run back.
When you go half a practice without any water, when you do finally get it you gorge yourself which isn’t good either. I remember an underclassman lineman one time, huge kid. He was way too out of shape to be playing football and three or four times I remeber him drinking about a half gallon of blue Gatorade and puking it right back up 5 mins later through his face mask. Of course he wasn’t allowed to go get more.
judzeehawk
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I know trainers need to push athletes but this is just total abuse. The Hawks have a coach that Fryowa has stated does a lot of in your face profanity laced yelling and I hope that is as far as it goes.
Denverhawk1
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http://footballscoop.com/news/oregon-strength-staff-issued-challenge-coaches-across-country/
No, not all S&C coaches look the same. I follow this guy on Instagram. He yells and challenges, for sure. But I’d work out for this dude like a maniac. As I would if I got the chance to work out for Doyle. I’m not afraid of challenges. Just don’t call me names and belittle me.
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ArvadaHawk
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i don't think that has ever really been a problem with fans. however, we cannot forget the rhadbo incident. that was an exercise program and not along the lines of what is purported in the article.
Iowa has a guy on their Olympic Sports S&C staff who definitely fits a different mold. Landon Evans was an engineering undergrad who got bored with the systems he was working with, so he decided to try to apply his mind to a more complex and interesting system: the elite athlete. Very interesting guy.
Fryowa
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Rhabdo was a bad deal.
In my honest opinion (and I’m a fairly jaded guy), Doyle wasn’t trying to do anything risky, but he made a mistake in giving those guys that squat workout. I genuinely believe he has the best interests of those kids in mind and I think what happened made an I press ion on him. The fact that nothing like that has happened since and how highly his atheletes speak of him tells me that he effed up, learned from it, and got better at what he does.
ArvadaHawk
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cincy, let me share a personal story with you. i used to live in Denver (Arvada) Colorado. If you live in CO you automatically start becoming active outside. I think there's something in the water.
Anyway, I used to run a lot. I was diagnosed with exercised induced asthma by my primary care physician. For a few years I was on albuterol and advair. In 2013, I decided to go to a respiratory expert. They put me through a battery of tests including inhaling varying levels of some chemical that they said if I had a negative reaction to would be confirmation of asthma. If I did not have any reaction, then I did not have asthma. It was guaranteed. I did not have a reaction. After further review they determined that I have chronic rhinitis. This means I have similar symptoms but I don't NEED to be on the albuterol and advair. Now, I only take albuterol as needed during allergy season.
perhaps, if you haven't had this level of testing you may want to and see if you can get off the inhaler. If you have and it's confirmed you have exercise induced asthma, then I hope this was an interesting story and you've learned something about ArvadaHawk.
ArvadaHawk
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i agree. it was a "traditional" happy new year exercise routine to welcome back the players from Christmas break. It was the stick and the carrot was take it easy on the food and "spirits" and lift while you were on break. so, it wasn't a one time punishment that backfired. but they stopped it after rhadbo. however, it still happened so it is still there.
Mademyaccount4u
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About rhabdo gate.
I do not think it was a good thing and that the U could have handled the aftermath better.
BUT, I don't believe they were doing anything inheritly dangerous, as each individual is different and someone drinking the night before or any one of a dozen other things could affect how intense a workout should be.
Bottom line, no one died and Iowa/doyle has taken steps to avoid the problem in the future. This was not a punishment, just an intense workout that, if it ever happens again we should all be calling for some heads to roll.
I do not think it was a good thing and that the U could have handled the aftermath better.
BUT, I don't believe they were doing anything inheritly dangerous, as each individual is different and someone drinking the night before or any one of a dozen other things could affect how intense a workout should be.
Bottom line, no one died and Iowa/doyle has taken steps to avoid the problem in the future. This was not a punishment, just an intense workout that, if it ever happens again we should all be calling for some heads to roll.
Denverhawk1
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The coach has been put on administrative leave. Honestly, the B1G east is getting quite a bad rap.
GesterHawk
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I have always wondered if there was a personal choice made by the 13 players who got rhabdo - out late drinking, energy drinks, something stronger, etc...
If there.was, it is best that it didn't come to light. It could also explain Doyle's lack of punishment.
Purely conjecture, no inside info, and not starting rumors.
If there.was, it is best that it didn't come to light. It could also explain Doyle's lack of punishment.
Purely conjecture, no inside info, and not starting rumors.
cincy, let me share a personal story with you. i used to live in Denver (Arvada) Colorado. If you live in CO you automatically start becoming active outside. I think there's something in the water.
Anyway, I used to run a lot. I was diagnosed with exercised induced asthma by my primary care physician. For a few years I was on albuterol and advair. In 2013, I decided to go to a respiratory expert. They put me through a battery of tests including inhaling varying levels of some chemical that they said if I had a negative reaction to would be confirmation of asthma. If I did not have any reaction, then I did not have asthma. It was guaranteed. I did not have a reaction. After further review they determined that I have chronic rhinitis. This means I have similar symptoms but I don't NEED to be on the albuterol and advair. Now, I only take albuterol as needed during allergy season.
perhaps, if you haven't had this level of testing you may want to and see if you can get off the inhaler. If you have and it's confirmed you have exercise induced asthma, then I hope this was an interesting story and you've learned something about ArvadaHawk.
Dude! That sounds like a great idea! I get a lot of sinus infections due to a facial injury that damaged a sinus from a headbutt in H.S. wrestling. I look normal, but one side of my sinuses are weird. I asked my doc about surgery to fix them. He said not to worry about it with the frequency I was getting them, currently. I'll ask him about this next time I see him.
