Yeah and wasn't timing an issue with it? Like the players were coming off of what would been for them a long break from having been working out at all and then put them through that rigorous of a program was just the perfect storm. You have to ease back into that stuff you can't go from zero to 100. But it wasn't in anyway the kind of deal with what some of the strength coaches around have been doing. Doyle couldn't be revered the way he is if so. Marshall Yanda still comes back to work out with him. Enough said.
Now Maryland has issues?!
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Fryowa
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Bullshit. You don’t get rid of the teams you get rid of the cancerous bad apples associated with the teams. I hate Sandusky, Paterno, Durkin, Spanier, Meyer, et al as much as anyone, but you don’t screw over innocent players because of their shit bird coaches.
Look what Franklin has done at PSU. He took the program and made it a respectable, winning team after everyone thought it was going down in flames permanently. It can be done. You just need to put peopp in place who will do the right things.
If I didn’t already know you were also @ClintonIAfan , I’d say you were starting to sound like @ClintonIAfan
I guarantee in an atmosphere of intimidation and fear players see “no” problems and it’s “all good here”
vork22
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Spot on Penn State fits in the BiG. I’m even cool with Maryland but Rutgers should go. I’d rather have gotten Pitt or Syracuse.
I wasn't a fan of the east coast teams at all frankly... I figured PSU was as far east as they needed to go. I'd have rather snagged MO or an OK school to poach from the Big 12.
tksirius
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Rob should really look into this guy's IP.
Anyone know what kind of attrition Maryland has? In this day and age kids just aren't going to put up with some of the stuff they did 40 years ago. Even if players get suckered in by a slick coaches recruiting pitch, you would think they would be leaving at an alarming rate if some of this stuff in the article is true. Then again, I could never understand why anyone played for Bob Knight at Indiana either, but that was a long time ago.
Fryowa
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Pitt I'd love to have; Syracuse is a basketball school and they'd never leave the best basketball conference on the planet.
Fryowa
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I think that's a tricky question. As far as attrition, kids might not put up with as much as years ago, but I think the ones who're good enough to start and get significant PT would just take it and be miserable. The players who are going to bounce would probably be those who are 2nd or 3rd stringers whoo wouldn't play anyway and don't have shots at pro ball.
If say a starting linebacker doesn't like the treatment from his coaches he can't just up and leave because he'd have to either sit a year or go to a smaller school.
Fryowa
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Gimme Pitt and Notre Dame. Those should have been the two instead of MD/Rutgers.
Notre Dame could have gone to the West and Pitt to the East. Wisconsin would finally have a little pressure to be nervous about, and PSU could have a fun yearly instate rivalry that actually meant something.
okeefe4prez
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Pitt didn't fit because it didn't bring a new state to the table for "in-market" television rights for BTN. I wish they would have gone with Maryland and Virginia, UNC or Georgia Tech to try move more into the South.
Fryowa
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Would have been more than offset by ad revenue from having quality games. Nobody watches burnt turds like Rutgers and Maryland unless their team is playing them.
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Yeah for sure that'd have certainly made sense. Too bad ND has held out the way they have. NBC is their saving grace and only reason to keep doing what they are. I'd much rather have had Pitt than Rutgers or MD no doubt.
I figured schools like MO or OK would have made sense at the same time of Neb coming over. That may have jumbled up the west doing that. An Illinois may have had to go to the east in that scenario but we'd have had OK... Or heck screw MO just get both OK and Okie state.
hawkewilly
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Maybe I misunderstood the article.. but if the kid had a seizure and they did in fact wait an hour to call 911, there should be criminal charges brought on the coach.
No doubt. Rutgers is such a waste all the way around. To think a shitty program on the east coast is worth it because they are like an hour from NYC is just stupid. NYC isn't even a college football town. Their more about their pro teams there.
That's why the players should be allowed to transfer anywhere without penalty. The problem isn't just the coaches - it's the jock sniffing culture around them that allows this type of behavior to continue. Baylor is a prime example, they should have been kicked out of the Big 12 or severely punished in other ways. The problem wasn't just Art Briles. It was the campus shutting down the women affected, the police not pursuing evidence, etc. The cancerous bad apples extend well beyond the coaching offices.
atomicblue224
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Money?
atomicblue224
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Their trainer was caught doing this to the football players. He thought it would toughen them up.
okeefe4prez
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If that didn't have the WWF logo on it I would swear it was Doyle and a younger O'Keefe. Was Mr. McMahon okay after that egregious assault?Their trainer was caught doing this to the football players. He thought it would toughen them up.
