Notre Dame says they prefer Independence

[silvanthalas]

One day, ND will find that they must join a conference for football.

And when that day comes, they're not going to like the options that are left.

 

[switch351]

Big Ten should go after Rutgers. Good academics and a huge media market.

 

[DDThompson]

This is like their saying no to the Big Ten, again, without being asked. I don't think think they will be asked the second time

Kinda like:

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

 

[DDThompson]

Interesting....this to me sounds like Notre Dame just doesnt want to be in the BIG TEN....but if the dominoes start falling, they may be forced to join something.

Yeah, I said that in another thread earlier -- especially if a Big East school is invited to join the Big10 it will give ND cover to join the Big East to balance out that conference, be the saviors of the BigE, and the "dominant" school in it.

It will be interesting if the Big10 adds another. Dominoes will fall. And although college football moves slower than molasses, dominoes fall fast. The SEC will go unscathed, but we could end up with 14- and 16-team "superconferences."

 

[DDThompson]

I thought the title meant that ND prefers the Independence Bowl . . . (shrugs)

 

[deanvogs]

It would hurt the Big 10 schools more than ND. Who do you think is the biggest team to go to East Lansing or West Laffayette every other year?

I don't think it would hurt the Big 10 teams. Do you think Michigan would struggle to sell out? Michigan St. ranks among the top 25 in attendance each of the last 53 years, averaging nearly 75,000 a game. I couldn't find info on Purdue.....2 out of 3 though wouldn't skip a beat dropping ND.

 

[thejumper5]

Nevermind.

 

[hawkod]

It would hurt the Big 10 schools more than ND. Who do you think is the biggest team to go to East Lansing or West Laffayette every other year?

I agree with this point, but still would like to see a boycott of Notre Dame. Michigan, Purdue, and MSU would still be picking up a new Big 10 opponent with the expansion to help partially offset the star power of the Irish.

 

[hawkeyescott]

It would hurt the Big 10 schools more than ND. Who do you think is the biggest team to go to East Lansing or West Laffayette every other year?

So you don't think MSU, Purdue or Michigan could get another team to replace ND that would still sell out the stadium? Whoever they would get get might not have the name recognition of ND, but the bottom line is financially it would be a wash because these teams aren't adding temporary seats to their stadium for when ND visits.

 

[egami]

So you don't think MSU, Purdue or Michigan could get another team to replace ND that would still sell out the stadium? Whoever they would get get might not have the name recognition of ND, but the bottom line is financially it would be a wash because these teams aren't adding temporary seats to their stadium for when ND visits.

It's a ridiculous assertion to even entertain...the B10 isn't going to play the vindictive wench card and try to back-stab ND for not joining. That can only backfire on them. It will not happen. So, it doesn't really even matter.

The B10 gets nothing out of it.

I know Jon and Steve talked about this...I hope they were mostly saying it tongue and cheek, but it's really not a smart thing to do.

Besides, using your same logic, it's not like ND can't just replace those 3 games and move on.

 

[NewMexHawk]

Big 10 teams need to quit playing nd or only one team a year---that would put a real crimp in their scheduling. They currently play anywhere from three to four Big 10 teams a year. Talk about having your cake and eating it too.

If Big 10 teams would just quit scheduling them they would then have to find two to three other BCS teams nearby to play other than Michigan, MSU, Purdue, or NW or which Big 10 teams they play. Plus if Michigan/MSU/Purdue quit playing them, they lose some big rivalries, which would REALLY hurt their scheduling and program but would not hurt the Big 10 schools all that much.

When the Big 10 adds another school, Mich/MSU/Purdue should just drop them by saying their schedule is already difficult enough without playing nd and see what nd does to replace those schools on their schedule. Who would they schedule that close that would give them those kind of games and interest, especially the Michigan schools. Dropping those two schools from their schedule would really hurt the nd program...

 

[ShadasRevenge]

doubtful.

You'd be wrong, but don't let that stop you.

 

[woodyk1]

Check out ND's future schedules (see link below)

Notre Dame Fighting Irish Football Future Schedules

They have Oklahoma, Wake Forest, Arizona State (in Arlington, TX), Baylor (in New Orleans) to name a few. They will have no trouble getting games if the Big 10 goes off their schedule (although Michigan would be a big hit). The bottom line is that it is not realistic for the Big 10 to not schedule ND (as egami said). They will find other games and teams lining up to play them.

 

[rocky3rza]

Who would they schedule that close that would give them those kind of games and interest, especially the Michigan schools. Dropping those two schools from their schedule would really hurt the nd program...

They would just reignite old rivals like The U and Florida State.

You want to remove an in state rival (ND/Purdue), one of the most heated rivalries (ND/MSU, Notre Dame fans probably hate MSU the most and I'm guessing the feeling is probably mutual with the exception of Michigan) and a rivalry between the two winningest programs in the history of the sport (ND/Michigan).

You are Iowa fans, you have know idea what those games mean to Purdue, MSU and Michigan.

 

[PhoenixHawk]

The appropriate way to deal with ND is to cut them out of an annual slice of the BCS pie if they don't qualify for one of the BCS bowls. Right now, they get a guaranteed $1.7 mill just for making themselves "available" to be chosen, even if they win only 3 games. This is why they can be so cavalier about turning down lesser bowls - they get an automatic BCS payout regardless and can just pocket the cash.

 

[egami]

The appropriate way to deal with ND is to cut them out of an annual slice of the BCS pie if they don't qualify for one of the BCS bowls. Right now, they get a guaranteed $1.7 mill just for making themselves "available" to be chosen, even if they win only 3 games. This is why they can be so cavalier about turning down lesser bowls - they get an automatic BCS payout regardless and can just pocket the cash.

That's because when ND is in the BCS the BCS does better. Like that fact or not, it's true. The highest BCS TV rating years occur when ND is in the mix.

Also, any other run of the mill conference doormat that can't make a BCS game that is in a conference with revenue sharing gets BCS revenue benefit just for existing.

 

[highonhawks]

I thought the title meant that ND prefers the Independence Bowl . . . (shrugs)

Oh no they are well above the independance bowl.They voted it down.

 

[PhoenixHawk]

That's because when ND is in the BCS the BCS does better. Like that fact or not, it's true. The highest BCS TV rating years occur when ND is in the mix.

Also, any other run of the mill conference doormat that can't make a BCS game that is in a conference with revenue sharing gets BCS revenue benefit just for existing.

Yeah, but the point is that they are *not* in a BCS conference, therefore, they shouldn't get the drippings like they would if they were. The point is to pressure them into joining the BT. Still give the $4.5 mil if they qualify and get accepted, but don't give them a cent otherwise. They wouldn't, and couldn't, turn that deal down.

 

[egami]

Yeah, but the point is that they are *not* in a BCS conference, therefore, they shouldn't get the drippings like they would if they were. The point is to pressure them into joining the BT. Still give the $4.5 mil if they qualify and get accepted, but don't give them a cent otherwise. They wouldn't, and couldn't, turn that deal down.

I know what the point is...and as I explained before, it's pointless.

Not one person in this thread has demonstrated what the benefit is for ND to join the B10 outside of a few mil which clearly, to them, isn't worth it.

It doesn't really gain them a thing. I just don't get the obsession with people feeling like the B10 needs them. We don't need ND. ND doesn't need us. There isn't really anything wrong with the way it is currently.

 

[PhoenixHawk]

I know what the point is...and as I explained before, it's pointless.

Not one person in this thread has demonstrated what the benefit is for ND to join the B10 outside of a few mil which clearly, to them, isn't worth it.

It doesn't really gain them a thing. I just don't get the obsession with people feeling like the B10 needs them. We don't need ND. ND doesn't need us. There isn't really anything wrong with the way it is currently.

And you are completely missing my point, which is why give ND almost $2 million when they are sitting at home on their couches, contributing absolutely nothing to the BCS bowl revenues? If they that guaranteed coin, they should join a conference like everybody else. If they want to stay indy, then they shouldn't get the payout unless they earn it by getting selected. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?