JonDMiller
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The article linked to start this post says as much, as it relates to TV revenues
Notre Dame says they prefer Independence
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The article linked to start this post says as much, as it relates to TV revenues
JonDMiller
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As an athletic department at the end of the 2007-2008 school year, ND was at $83 mil and change in AD revenues, and Iowa was right behind them at $81 mil...ND would be the 5th in the Big Ten in that department.
ChuckD4735
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Read the article. ND's Athletic Director admitted they would make more money. Miller gives a good explanation of why here...
Time For Big Ten Expansion | Hawkeye Nation
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ChuckD4735
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Which is what their AD states in the article. Some people are still stuck on the thought that ND is better of fiscally as an independent. That is no longer the case.
knighthawk13
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I think ND is under pressure from the "old guard" to stay an independent. If they would join a conference, they may not be able to fundraise as well. I don't think people realize how vast their resources are.
HawkeyeMike23
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You realize one of the reasons Notre Dame wants to be an Independent is so that they can play whoever they want ,whenever they want. Being in an "Independent League" contradicts the entire meaning of being an independent.
eyekwah
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When the news broke about B10 expansion I felt ND wasn't a candidate. If "the Grand Lady's" football team wanted in, all it had to do is call Delaney and they were in. It is my opinion that the team being added will need to be on par with the likes of tOSU, U of Michigan, and PSU in terms of football tradition. U of MI and tOSU will be in the same division and another team of PSU stature will be necessary.
I know it sounds far fetched, but the University that can bring football tradition, academic comparability, and tv sets will get the nod, regardless of location. I know one university that fits those requirements. It is your guess who it is.
I know it sounds far fetched, but the University that can bring football tradition, academic comparability, and tv sets will get the nod, regardless of location. I know one university that fits those requirements. It is your guess who it is.
highonhawks
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I agree with the thought of Big Ten schools refusing to play them.Let them find someone else as prestigous in their area.Good luck with that..
ChuckD4735
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I know Miller and Deace brought it up, but I think that would be good leverage for the Big 10 to try and add them. Tell them the only way they will play Michigan, Michigan State and Purdue anymore is if it is in conference play.
egami
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Well, now, yes...put them in a couple BCS games again and that's not the case. They get roughly $4.5M per game versus the B10 average of what...$2.2M or slightly more?
When they don't go to a BCS game they still get like $1.3M through sharing, so it's not like they ever get zero.
Assuming the TV numbers are right...yeah, there is some disparity. I'm assuming we probably don't know all the intangible benefits ND receives from their current deal. I also assume that perhaps some donors would actually maybe regress donations if ND were to join a conference...completely speculative, I know.
But step away from the money...right, wrong or indifferent on the actual dollars. Does the B10 really offer anything significant to them? Not really. They are fine on their own until something in the landscape significantly changes for them.
So, in essence, the price tag on staying Independent, for them, is worth the price.
woodyk1
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+1 on this. ND wants to play who they want, when they want. I don't think they would be affected if the Big 10 (at least Michigan State and Purdue) did not schedule them anymore. Michigan would be a big deal not to schedule. However, ND would have teams lining up to play them (as they do every year). This is a team who played Washington State in San Antonio! Who else does that?
hawkeyescott
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Did you miss this paragraph or just thought you would post without reading the article?
Swarbrick acknowledged that the major football conferences make even more money from their own media contracts than the $9 million Notre Dame is paid annually by NBC for the football rights. In the Big Ten, TV and radio rights fees generate $20 million a year for the schools.
I don't know about you but last time I checked $20 million is more than $9 million.
HawKCP
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I agree with Jon's analysis that Notre Dame would make more money by joining the Big Ten in the initial stages. The thing that we're not taking into account is that Notre Dame has to consider it's long term reputation...what would happen if Notre Dame joined the Big Ten and ended up finishing middle of the road every year.
Right now Notre Dame draws plenty of attention when they finish 6-6...would that be the case if they joined the Big Ten? Over time I think they'd fade into mediocrity in the Big Ten conference.
In addition...I could be wrong about this but I don't think Notre Dame has the advantages that many other Big Ten schools have in enrollment. Take a look at the enrollments of Big Ten schools compared to the rest of the country. Iowa and Northwestern are tiny in comparison with other Big Ten schools...I think Notre Dame would also be tiny in comparison.
Would Notre Dame lose a lot of it's national fan base if they were to join the Big Ten...keeping in mind that the Big Ten is hated by a lot of college football fans across the country...especially Notre Dame fans? If they did...that could take them from competing with the big boys in terms of revenue...to competing with the smaller private universities who have mediocre football teams like Northwestern.
Right now Notre Dame draws plenty of attention when they finish 6-6...would that be the case if they joined the Big Ten? Over time I think they'd fade into mediocrity in the Big Ten conference.
In addition...I could be wrong about this but I don't think Notre Dame has the advantages that many other Big Ten schools have in enrollment. Take a look at the enrollments of Big Ten schools compared to the rest of the country. Iowa and Northwestern are tiny in comparison with other Big Ten schools...I think Notre Dame would also be tiny in comparison.
Would Notre Dame lose a lot of it's national fan base if they were to join the Big Ten...keeping in mind that the Big Ten is hated by a lot of college football fans across the country...especially Notre Dame fans? If they did...that could take them from competing with the big boys in terms of revenue...to competing with the smaller private universities who have mediocre football teams like Northwestern.
With the way the Big 10 has been performing lately, and the league's perception problem, it is a DISADVANTAGE to join the league. All it can do is push Notre Dame even further toward irrelevancy. However, if Notre Dame could join, say, the SEC, then they probably would as they would immediately gain relevance.
hawkeye12345
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ND has no reason to join a conference right now. As some have mentioned, joining the Big10 isn't a win - win for either party involved. If ND would join the B10 they are now playing a B10 schedule and will have 4 non-conference games. I don't think NBC would really like that do you? Not to mention that ND would be joining a very tough basketball, football and wrestling conference. How do you think that would sit with their fans? Coming to the big 10 and finishing mid-pack in football and basketball doesn't really add to their mystique. Going to the BigEast and competing for a championship EVERY year does though.
It's not just about the money as ND is fine without the Big10 package and they don't have to deal with the Big10 control.
ND gets to do what they want, when they want and if they don't like the rules they just take their ball and go home (see their bowl game this year if you don't like this analogy).
In the end I think we will see Pitt join the big10 and ND replace them in the Big East. Pitt would fit in well and ND could be the 'crown jewel' of the Big East.
It's not just about the money as ND is fine without the Big10 package and they don't have to deal with the Big10 control.
ND gets to do what they want, when they want and if they don't like the rules they just take their ball and go home (see their bowl game this year if you don't like this analogy).
In the end I think we will see Pitt join the big10 and ND replace them in the Big East. Pitt would fit in well and ND could be the 'crown jewel' of the Big East.
GhostofBTT
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It would hurt the Big 10 schools more than ND. Who do you think is the biggest team to go to East Lansing or West Laffayette every other year?
