Noah Shannon
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MelroseHawkins
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Well F. Kind of sucks that Iowa and IA St players are being used as an example, when one can presume this prob happens all over.
okeefe4prez
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I don't want to minimize other national tragedies, but right now I feel about like I did on 9/11 or the day the Challenger exploded. The sky just went from blue to grey, sorrow fills the air. It's really a shame, the NCAA needs to give young men like Noah a chance to show their skills for the NFL. Just an absolutely disgusting outcome for Mr. Shannon, who really is a victim in all of this. Not to get political here, but this all goes back to the legislature allowing sportsbook in Iowa. It has done nothing but shit all over the football programs of Iowa and Iowa State. Look, I hate Iowa State as much as the next guy, but do they really deserve what is happening to them? No, no they don't. Does Noah deserve this? No, absolutely not. This is a damned outrage.
InGoodCo
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He did the crime and they knew there would be consequences.... yet, he obviously didn't bet on his own team and sport, so the amounts must have been large? I don't feel bad for him, these guys knew what they were doing was wrong. That said.... how many teams will Iowa face with players who have gambled that haven't faced the same music? I'm guessing 13, 14 if we can make the CCG
NorthKCHawk
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Its being reported he bet on Iowa WBB during the tourney run. If that is the reason for the year long suspension he might have a shot at getting it reduced. Unless he has a connection to the team I guess.
If we can take a hit anywhere, DL is probably our deepest position. Still....
If we can take a hit anywhere, DL is probably our deepest position. Still....
So he bet on another Iowa team is the rumor I hadn't seen that confirmed. Womens hoops was the thing rumored to have had some guys betting on but I hadn't seen that confirmed. If that's what he or anyone else did or not.
The can of worms I'm surprised by is KF saying he's all about appealing this for Shannon and having his back... Seems like an interesting slope for KF to slide down if he's going to be ok with what he did to whatever extent and not some of the others. Sure there's nuance to it but it's pretty well known that you can't bet on other sports at your school. So unless there's more to it with Shannon I'm good with him being suspended for the yr. He didn't break a law but NCAA rule since he's over 21
It's pretty well known you can't gamble on your school he can't plead ignorance to that can he?
The can of worms I'm surprised by is KF saying he's all about appealing this for Shannon and having his back... Seems like an interesting slope for KF to slide down if he's going to be ok with what he did to whatever extent and not some of the others. Sure there's nuance to it but it's pretty well known that you can't bet on other sports at your school. So unless there's more to it with Shannon I'm good with him being suspended for the yr. He didn't break a law but NCAA rule since he's over 21
It's pretty well known you can't gamble on your school he can't plead ignorance to that can he?
NorthKCHawk
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I think part of the basis for appeal will be that the NCAA did not put out its guidance on punishments until after the fact. Yes, he should have known better to bet, but to know you would get sat for a year is a different issue.
I am sure they will also argue extenuating circumstances. Basically, he had no inside info., placed a small bet, did it for fun. Basically no harm no foul. As someone else said, the punishment does not fit the crime.
I am glad KF is supporting his players here. The world has changed. The rules may need some updating in terms and application.
Remember a guy from our neighboring state was allowed to play in the Orange Bowl after he drug a girl down the stairs by her hair and beat the hell out of her. Let's have some perspective on crime and punishment NCAA.....
I am sure they will also argue extenuating circumstances. Basically, he had no inside info., placed a small bet, did it for fun. Basically no harm no foul. As someone else said, the punishment does not fit the crime.
I am glad KF is supporting his players here. The world has changed. The rules may need some updating in terms and application.
Remember a guy from our neighboring state was allowed to play in the Orange Bowl after he drug a girl down the stairs by her hair and beat the hell out of her. Let's have some perspective on crime and punishment NCAA.....
Chickenlounge
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The lesson here: If you play sports, don't use online bookies that require credit cards. Find a classic one that only deals in cash and keeps his little black book of coded names so they can't be traced back.
NorthKCHawk
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That should make it into the handbook for players next year......
Teddy
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People will be ready to hang the guy that signed these Complaints when the full truth of this criminal investigation is disclosed.
Gambling creates a unique problem in sports competition. While I favor legalized, and largely unregulated gambling (mostly libertarian) sports are different. The people involved in athletic competition have a much greater likelihood of using inside information on the bet. Much worse, and more likely is their ability to directly affect the outcome.
Having said that, outside of participants, gambling should be legal and largely without public regulation.
Gambling creates a unique problem in sports competition. While I favor legalized, and largely unregulated gambling (mostly libertarian) sports are different. The people involved in athletic competition have a much greater likelihood of using inside information on the bet. Much worse, and more likely is their ability to directly affect the outcome.
Having said that, outside of participants, gambling should be legal and largely without public regulation.
MelroseHawkins
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I wonder when colleges are going to start having their own university appointed staff "bookee" to manage these players bets?
okeefe4prez
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I appreciate the irony of a group of multimillionaires who work for a "non-profit" that generates billions in revenue annually off a basketball tournament lecturing us all on the integrity of the game as we patiently await our 2024 to see which of our new conference rivals we will play en route to collecting our university's $70-ish million paycheck for televised sports.
okeefe4prez
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If we had someone creative running our NIL program we would have a bookie on staff and the NIL program would give everyone $200 of "play money" that they could "gamble with" and if they turned that $200 into $5k of "play money" of course then they could cash it out for "real money." It's just for "fun." And the players wouldn't put any of their money in it.
MelroseHawkins
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You're hired.
Fryowa
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And the coach was allowed to coach in the Orange Bowl after hiding a gun in his university office safe to shield one of his players who committed a crime with said gun.
I assume they know if this is the case or not now.... The thing is it's a slippery slope how does one prove they don't have insider info? On campus word of mouth can be impossible to prove. He could be banging some of the female hoopers and it not be public knowledge. Not everything is done via text/phone and trackable.
I just wouldn't want anyone sports gambling on my team. That's just me. I'd make that as clear cut as possible. If you're prioritizing that over your career as a D1 athlete then find somewhere else to do it.
After all of this how confident are we that the last few seasons playoffs and championship games have all been on the up and up? Hoops/Football you name it you can't tell me that with the amount of kids at ISU and Iowa that have been neck deep in this that it's not way worse all over the place. Who's to say kids at different schools haven't conspired to hit spreads? They all know each other from camps and communicating via social media for them is really easy.
You can go back quite a ways and see that the mob had an impact on college sports for periods of time. To think that organized crime hasn't evolved with the times to figure out ways to still get to kids is naive too. I just despise everything about sports gambling keep the kids out of it as best you can.
Teddy
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Rick Pitino used to be his school's pimp
