Next year's Starting 5

[WindsorHawk]

Not suggesting we play him at PG in the 2015-2016 season with MG and AC still around. Just a possibility in 2016 - 2017 while waiting for Connor McC. One thing we DO know is that we are NOT recruiting a PG in this upcoming class, because we clearly are looking for a big man with the final scholly. After MG and AC, there is not another PG on the roster, unless people think Charlie Rose is the answer. Maybe he will find one in the class with Pemsl. I hope Franny does! He had better awfully smart and talented, because we will be asking him to run the team as a True Freshman...

edit from previous post: I forgot about Baer. Once again, another 6'7" guy. Pure Shooter, supposedly. One site showed his weight to be 187 pounds. OMG! that means at 6'7" he weighs LESS than Gesell! Must be built like Uthoff. Doesn't really matter, as long as he can shoot as well in games as Oglesby does in practice...

Fran has already said Flemming and one of the other incoming freshmen can play point...Moss I think. If Fran doesn't sign a PG in next year's class these 2 will likely share time at PG. Marble did the same thing as a sophomore out of necessity...and handled it just fine.

Don't get me wrong. Uhl has great handles and can be like White or Uthoff and help break a press and bring the ball up the floor on a fast break or when the opposition denies the in bounds pass to the PG. But I don't see him as the PG. I see him as the guy beating the other team down the floor and dunking.

 

[RocknRollface]

If Peter Jok isn't starting from day one until day last day of the season he either got booted off the team or his foot is in a boot.

Or he's turning the ball over like crazy and playing no defense .

 

[RocknRollface]

Absolutely Peter Jok needs to start. Jok has to take a huge leap next year. He'll be a junior with a good number of starts under his belt. He's one of the only experienced players Iowa has that is a true threat to hit the outside shot. He needs to use that to his advantage and attack the basket more where he can hopefully finish or drop it to a guy under the basket.

No he needs to stop trying to attack the basket all together, he's not explosive enough.

What at he needs to do is learn how to be great at running off screens. He needs to try to patern his game after guys like Reggie Miller and Rip Hamilton.

 

[UncleHawk]

Fran has already said Flemming and one of the other incoming freshmen can play point...Moss I think. If Fran doesn't sign a PG in next year's class these 2 will likely share time at PG. Marble did the same thing as a sophomore out of necessity...and handled it just fine.

Don't get me wrong. Uhl has great handles and can be like White or Uthoff and help break a press and bring the ball up the floor on a fast break or when the opposition denies the in bounds pass to the PG. But I don't see him as the PG. I see him as the guy beating the other team down the floor and dunking.

Fran said once that he thought Oglesby could play the point. That's Franspeak: always hyping the ceiling of what his guys can do. I do believe he thinks Williams has potential to play some PG, maybe like Marble as a 2-1 type of guy. Otherwise Williams' recruitment makes no sense.

I agree that Uhl is NOT a PG. He is a sign of what I think Fran is heading for with this team- 4-out, 1-in style basketball, that can go all-out at times.

 

[RocknRollface]

And I'm much more handsome than this Cruise guy, yeah, you are so right, PC.

Gesell
Sapp
Jok
Ute
Woody.

These 5 guys will likely start at beginning, middle and end of next season.
And these 5 guys will log the most PT for the Hawkeyes, also.

With all the young guys coming in, Wagner, Moss, Fleming, Baer, it might be
rare to see D Uhl on the floor.......unless he improves, drastically and exponentially.

Case closed

I would take that bet and you would lose.

 

[Seth53]

Woodbury, Uthoff, Uhl, Jok, Gesell

I think you leave Clemmons as the 6th man because of his versatility. He can come in for either Uhl and push Jok to the 3 or come in for Jok and play the 2. Jok could then come back in a few minutes later for Mike and push Clemmons to the PG.

Uthoff go-to guy, with Jok #2 option. Uhl's progress will amaze.

 

[deanvogs]

No he needs to stop trying to attack the basket all together, he's not explosive enough.

What at he needs to do is learn how to be great at running off screens. He needs to try to patern his game after guys like Reggie Miller and Rip Hamilton.

Disagree with this completely. Jok is as explosive as Gaten was, and Gatens needed 3 1/2 years to figure out how to finish at the rim. Jok is just slightly less explosive than Gesell, and Gesell needed 2 1/2 years to figure out how to finish at the rim. I think Jok gets better at it this year, and will be very good at this by his Sr. year. It takes time to learn how to get past 6'8-7' shot blockers.

 

[deanvogs]

Uthoff go-to guy, with Jok #2 option. Uhl's progress will amaze.

I'm very high on Uhl. I'm surprised that others think he is chopped liver in this thread.

 

[docholihawk]

I'm thinking it's going to be
Gesell PG
Jok SG
Woody C
Uhl SF
Uthoff PF

 

[WindsorHawk]

I'm thinking it's going to be
Gesell PG
Jok SG
Woody C
Uhl SF
Uthoff PF

This wouldn't surprise me...especially to start the season. But I have a hunch a freshman will be starting sooner rather than later. First, I think this is a talented incoming class and someone will be good enough to start. Second, I think bringing Uhl and Clemmons in together off the bench balances the first couple of rotations.

Here's a hypothetical...could be different guys. Woodbury, Gesell and Freshman A start and then all sit 5 minutes into the game. Uthoff and Jok stay on the floor to be joined by Clemmons, Uhl and Freshman B. Jok sits to be replaced by Freshman C. At some point Uthoff gets his 3 minute break each half. And Fran manages the rotation based on game situation the rest of the way...probably mixing in Freshman D here and there.

The 2nd half starts the same as the 1st half but the rotations are now dictated by foul trouble, who's playing well, etc. And one of the freshmen above could easily be replaced by a JUCO, 5th year transfer, etc.

The last 4 minutes of every game differs. But in a close game it's probably Gesell, Clemmons, Uthoff, Jok and the player that gives us the best match up based on game situation.

 

[FranklinHawk]

Disagree with this completely. Jok is as explosive as Gaten was, and Gatens needed 3 1/2 years to figure out how to finish at the rim. Jok is just slightly less explosive than Gesell, and Gesell needed 2 1/2 years to figure out how to finish at the rim. I think Jok gets better at it this year, and will be very good at this by his Sr. year. It takes time to learn how to get past 6'8-7' shot blockers.

I agree. Pete has a very quick first step, his issues driving are that he needs to tighten up his ball handling and learn how to finish or draw contact once he gets there. He tends to either lose control of the ball or get stuffed.

He's a Sophmore and wil learn as well as continue to improve on defense, no way I want a wing that shoots 90+% from the line to "forget about driving into the lane"..

 

[UncleHawk]

Regardless of who exactly starts, I think we could have our top 7 if Fran offers a scholly to Dale Jones and he accepts it.
That top 7 would be (in no particular order): Woody, JU, Dale Jones, Uhl, Jok, Clemmons, Gesell
One or more of the freshman will be in the top 8-9 and may work their way up as the season progresses.
No, I'm not worried about not having 2- 6'10"+ guys. Not that many teams have got that in their rotation. WSU is now in the sweet 16 with a 6'7" center, a 6'7" backup, and playing few others over 6'5".

Highlights of Dale Jones. Keep in mind they are 3 years old and the guy has reputedly grown a couple inches and put on weight since then. So imagine these skills in a guy 2 inches taller and 20lbs heavier. He's #23 in the white uniform.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2XAiyap8SU
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/1103061/highlights/10421390/v2

 

[HomerChampless]

People... Uhl is not a 4. He's an inch shorter, not as long and 15 lbs lighter than Uthoff.

Uthoff is no more a 4 than Uhl. Matter of fact, Uhl has more of a 4's game than Uthoff, right now. Uhl seems to mainly shoot while closer to, or driving to the basket. Uhl has lots of game to learn and muscle to build if he's a 4 (so would Uthoff), no doubt, but you're thinking of taking Uthoff off his established role as Iowa's outside shooter if he becomes the 4. Uthoff if he's 4, won't be giving the inside game and therefore more chances at the free throw line as White did this season.

Why are you so dead set on moving Uthoff off his established and productive role as outside shooter for the team, anyway?

 

[RocknRollface]

Disagree with this completely. Jok is as explosive as Gaten was, and Gatens needed 3 1/2 years to figure out how to finish at the rim. Jok is just slightly less explosive than Gesell, and Gesell needed 2 1/2 years to figure out how to finish at the rim. I think Jok gets better at it this year, and will be very good at this by his Sr. year. It takes time to learn how to get past 6'8-7' shot blockers.

Matt Gattens never became a good finisher, he became an adequate one at best but at the end of his senior year he became a great jump shooter. He shot jump shots and weeded out the less effective things.

Jok is not nearly as explosive as Gesel.

Jok is a turnover machine when he does anything but shoot jump shots.

So what if it takes him 3 1/2 years to "figure it out" why would we want another year and a half worth of bad turnovers?

Do what your good and get better at that.

Theres plenty of guys who would never make it in sports if they choose to continue to do things they are not good at vs becoming experts at what they are good at.

Some guys are just catch and shoot players, that's what they are. That's what Jok is.

Thats what he needs to focus on.

 

[MiniMoeHawk]

Uhl can play spot minutes at PG....He already has good handles for a freshman. He can play a few minutes a game at point forward just like Royce White did for the clowns.

 

[HawkeyeMike23]

Uthoff is no more a 4 than Uhl. Matter of fact, Uhl has more of a 4's game than Uthoff, right now. Uhl seems to mainly shoot while closer to, or driving to the basket. Uhl has lots of game to learn and muscle to build if he's a 4 (so would Uthoff), no doubt, but you're thinking of taking Uthoff off his established role as Iowa's outside shooter if he becomes the 4. Uthoff if he's 4, won't be giving the inside game and therefore more chances at the free throw line as White did this season.

Why are you so dead set on moving Uthoff off his established and productive role as outside shooter for the team, anyway?

Holy ****, you're still making this dumb argument? Uthoff can get plenty of looks from 3 playing as a four next year. White got tons of looks for 3's this year, he just didn't take them. Uthoff will still get the ball on the perimeter a lot as a four, only now he will be matched up against a bigger guy who probably won't be as good as a wing at guarding against the dribble and might give Uthoff even more space to shoot.

 

[ibahawkeye]

Holy ****, you're still making this dumb argument? Uthoff can get plenty of looks from 3 playing as a four next year. White got tons of looks for 3's this year, he just didn't take them. Uthoff will still get the ball on the perimeter a lot as a four, only now he will be matched up against a bigger guy who probably won't be as good as a wing at guarding against the dribble and might give Uthoff even more space to shoot.

One way you know you're automatically right is if Homer disagrees.

 

[deanvogs]

Matt Gattens never became a good finisher, he became an adequate one at best but at the end of his senior year he became a great jump shooter. He shot jump shots and weeded out the less effective things.

Jok is not nearly as explosive as Gesel.

Jok is a turnover machine when he does anything but shoot jump shots.

So what if it takes him 3 1/2 years to "figure it out" why would we want another year and a half worth of bad turnovers?

Do what your good and get better at that.

Theres plenty of guys who would never make it in sports if they choose to continue to do things they are not good at vs becoming experts at what they are good at.

Some guys are just catch and shoot players, that's what they are. That's what Jok is.

Thats what he needs to focus on.

You are saying that catch and shoot guys shouldn't try to develop any other part of their game? Are you actually serious on this? I can only hope that you are not coaching at any level. I almost weep at the thought of a coach that would actually only coach a player to work on their strengths and IGNORE their weaknesses. Thank Gawd that Fran is nothing like this, and will continue to develop Jok in all aspects of the game (ball handling, defense, driving, passing and shooting).

Good thing Gabe didn't subscribe to your coaching logic. When he came to Iowa all he could do was run and jump. 4 years later he has good post moves, and could score inside, and shot 75% from the FT line.

 

[hawkforlife9]

Love that line up. Will start the season with great depth. Can't wait to see how far Fran takes these guys.

PG - MG
SG - PJ
F - JU
F - DU
C - AW

 

[RocknRollface]

You are saying that catch and shoot guys shouldn't try to develop any other part of their game? Are you actually serious on this? I can only hope that you are not coaching at any level. I almost weep at the thought of a coach that would actually only coach a player to work on their strengths and IGNORE their weaknesses. Thank Gawd that Fran is nothing like this, and will continue to develop Jok in all aspects of the game (ball handling, defense, driving, passing and shooting).

Good thing Gabe didn't subscribe to your coaching logic. When he came to Iowa all he could do was run and jump. 4 years later he has good post moves, and could score inside, and shot 75% from the FT line.

So dramatic. Yet so off base. Please don't weep.

How much time do you think Kyle Korver spends working on his dribble drive game? JJ Redick?

Seriously, how do you think guys become catch and shoot players? By doing it over and over and over.

Working on weaknesses is something that is great if theres realistic potential for it to be a part of your game.

Adam Woodbury has a big weakness as a 3 point shooter? Should he work on that?

You only have so much time to work on things. Jok has only two years of basketball left and after two years of college he has shown very little ability to get all the way to the rim and finish. Has had lots of tos though.

He would be much better served to spend the majority of his time learning how to run defenders off screens and perfecting his catch, turn and release mechanics.