Next year's Starting 5

[UncleHawk]

DaggNabit Hawkeyez10; I wanted to start this thread........good job/

I'm hoping to see this, next October/November:

1- Mikey 2-Sapp 3-Peter Jok 4- Ute 5- Woody

6- Fleming
7- Uhl
8- Baer/Hutton
9- JC transfer Power forward
10- Ellingson

Ok, who'd I forget?

You forgot the highest rated player in the freshman class- Moss. I would hope he is higher in the rotation than Fleming because of his quickness, but if Fleming is higher come the fall he will have earned it. With that line up I'd be very surprised if a forward wasn't first of the bench- probably Uhl. However, I don't think Fran would sign a JC PF if he didn't envision him as being in the top 8 of the rotation.
So, if I had to pick a top 8 right now, and I knew for sure we were signing a JC PF, I'd go with this as the most likely rotation:
Starters: Woody, JU, Jok, Sapp, MG
6/7- Uhl/JC PF
8- Moss

 

[WindsorHawk]

Fran has proven he will start a true freshman if they are deserving. Woodbury, Gesell and Uthoff will start. Jok and Uhl appear to be the guys right now but at least 3 freshmen will play. Bringing Clemmons and Uhl off the bench makes sense...some experience with the freshmen.

 

[HawgEyeState]

Fran has proven he will start a true freshman if they are deserving. Woodbury, Gesell and Uthoff will start. Jok and Uhl appear to be the guys right now but at least 3 freshmen will play. Bringing Clemmons and Uhl off the bench makes sense...some experience with the freshmen.

OK, I watched pretty much every HAWKEYE game, this year.
This includes the game against a very good Gonzaga squad.

After watching this and somehow you conclude that Uhl should be on the
Basketball court before Sapp, that's just nutty, weird, wacky, dopey stuff.
Sapp is becoming a tough Hawkeye guard; Solid defender, good rebounder,
making his 3's and making good decisions with the ball.

The other guy has a lot to learn about college hoop in the BigTen.

out

 

[FranklinHawk]

FG% - 35.8%
3FG% - 34.3%
RPG - 2.6
APG - 1.3
TPG - 1.3

So we have a player that shoots a low percentage on both 2's and 3's, struggles to beat players off the bounce, is below average rebounding wise, is sloppy with the ball at times, and makes mistakes defensively. How exactly is he irreplaceable?

There is no doubt that Peter could definitely improve, but if he doesn't get any better and one of the freshman impress he could be benched.

I'll go with you on the turnover aspect, he definitely needs to cut down in that regard. His shooting was inconsistent, but he certainly showed the ability at times to be a great shooter. And, he's actually a very good rebounder considering he spent most of his time at the 2G spot.

 

[WindsorHawk]

OK, I watched pretty much every HAWKEYE game, this year.
This includes the game against a very good Gonzaga squad.

After watching this and somehow you conclude that Uhl should be on the
Basketball court before Sapp, that's just nutty, weird, wacky, dopey stuff.
Sapp is becoming a tough Hawkeye guard; Solid defender, good rebounder,
making his 3's and making good decisions with the ball.

The other guy has a lot to learn about college hoop in the BigTen.

out

If out means out of touch then you nailed it. Watching the basketball games doesn't mean you understand college basketball...obviously. Reading my post doesn't mean you understand what you read...obviously.

1 - Go check my posting history. I have consistently been pro Clemmons since his freshman year...including when others say he shouldn't be playing, be on the team, have a scholarship, etc.

2 - I didn't say Uhl is a better player than Clemmons. I said that Uhl looks like a potential starter. I said it makes sense to have Uhl and Clemmons come off the bench so there is some experience on the floor when all of the freshmen check in to play.

 

[ibahawkeye]

OK, I watched pretty much every HAWKEYE game, this year.
This includes the game against a very good Gonzaga squad.

After watching this and somehow you conclude that Uhl should be on the
Basketball court before Sapp, that's just nutty, weird, wacky, dopey stuff.
Sapp is becoming a tough Hawkeye guard; Solid defender, good rebounder,
making his 3's and making good decisions with the ball.

The other guy has a lot to learn about college hoop in the BigTen.

out

I also suggested having Sapp come off the bench due to his versatility. He can come in and play the 2 and move Jok to the 3 and Uhl goes to the bench. Next rotation somebody can come in for Mike and Sapp can move to the point.

With this rotation, I think you can get Sapp more minutes than Uhl which is much more important than who's on the floor first.

If you think who's on the floor is most imortant, that's just nutty, weird, wacky, dopey stuff.

 

[WindsorHawk]

I also suggested having Sapp come off the bench due to his versatility. He can come in and play the 2 and move Jok to the 3 and Uhl goes to the bench. Next rotation somebody can come in for Mike and Sapp can move to the point.

With this rotation, I think you can get Sapp more minutes than Uhl which is much more important than who's on the floor first.

If you think who's on the floor is most imortant, that's just nutty, weird, wacky, dopey stuff.

That's a thumbs up from me. I should add that Clemmons would be pretty under sized starting at the 4. And I would be pretty uncomfortable having any of the true freshmen playing PG while both Gesell and Clemmons get a rest...uncomfortable on both the offensive and defensive ends.

 

[PCHawk]

That's a thumbs up from me. I should add that Clemmons would be pretty under sized starting at the 4. And I would be pretty uncomfortable having any of the true freshmen playing PG while both Gesell and Clemmons get a rest...uncomfortable on both the offensive and defensive ends.

I wouldn't worry about that. 1 of 2 things will happen. Either the freshmen will be good enough to be on the floor together, or they won't be on the floor together. We don't have to have 4 subs on the floor at the same time like we did a lot the last 2 years. If we don't have the depth, we will always have 1 of Gesell and Clemmons on the court at all times, reguardless of who starts.

 

[WindsorHawk]

I wouldn't worry about that. 1 of 2 things will happen. Either the freshmen will be good enough to be on the floor together, or they won't be on the floor together. We don't have to have 4 subs on the floor at the same time like we did a lot the last 2 years. If we don't have the depth, we will always have 1 of Gesell and Clemmons on the court at all times, reguardless of who starts.

I agree...trying to help HawkIstate understand how it all works.

 

[PCHawk]

I agree...trying to help HawkIstate understand how it all works.

That reminds me, anyone see there is a new Mission Impossible movie coming out? Ba dam dam

 

[Tkingpin]

Here is a whole different take. I will preface this by saying that I never really saw Fran's Sienna teams, but based on what/who he has recruited these last 2 years, I think he wants a taller version of Davidson.

I think he wants a team of kids from 6'5" to 6'7" at positions 1 through 4 running an up-tempo, transition offense, that has a lot of 3 point shooting ability in the half-court sets. I also think Uhl could be one of the lynchpins of such a team. Has anyone else noticed how good of a ball-handler he is? I am NOT saying he is a better player (right now) than RDM, but he sure as hell is a better ball-handler. I foresee him being the stop-gap PG until Connor McCaffrey shows up in the year between MG and AC graduating.

I probably am projecting out 2 years instead of next year. I'll bet Sienna did NOT have a 7 footer on their team. But they did probably have a Bruiser in the mold of Ed Horton or Brandon Dawson playing the 5. Kind of a donut team of athletes between 6'5" and 6'7" who can run the floor and shoot the 3, with a bruiser in the middle as the designated rebounder.

Now, this coming year will be very heavy on Uthoff, Woody, MG and AC. No Question. But, once Woody gets his second foul in the first 4 minutes, you might see a different team out there that resembles Davidson's offense, just a LOT taller.

Clearly this last scholarship is very important to get that Big man who will back up Woody this year and be the 5 for the 2 or three years after that.

So, after Woody, MG, AC and Uthoff graduate, I could see a whole lotta runnin' and gunnin' from interchangeable parts like Uhl, Jok, Fleming/Ellingson Moss/Wiliams and our "yet to be determined" big man. Pemsl will be a True Freshman by then and maybe he's the second coming of Georges Niang. He's thick enough to bang inside and clearly can shoot from 3. Is Wagner really 6'7"? Not an outside threat but he could bulk up to be a banger. Hutton is clearly the guy you bring in to stop the other teams big scorer...

A team of all 6'5" and taller might make for a pretty good zone defense. It would also be PERFECT for a Mr. Davis full court pressure defense, but that is a completely different discussion.

Anyway, food for thought for 2016 into 2017...

 

[HawgEyeState]

That reminds me, anyone see there is a new Mission Impossible movie coming out? Ba dam dam

And I'm much more handsome than this Cruise guy, yeah, you are so right, PC.

Gesell
Sapp
Jok
Ute
Woody.

These 5 guys will likely start at beginning, middle and end of next season.
And these 5 guys will log the most PT for the Hawkeyes, also.

With all the young guys coming in, Wagner, Moss, Fleming, Baer, it might be
rare to see D Uhl on the floor.......unless he improves, drastically and exponentially.

Case closed

 

[InGoodCo]

With all the young guys coming in, Wagner, Moss, Fleming, Baer, it might be
rare to see D Uhl on the floor.......unless he improves, drastically and exponentially.

Case closed

So, the new guys are gonna get minutes over Uhl? Who has a year in the system and logged pretty good minutes on a team loaded with upperclassmen and Aaron White graduating? This reminds me of the Trey Dickerson is gonna start over MG off season line of thinking.

 

[FranklinHawk]

I'm gonna say the 5 new Freshmen start. I've watched all of their recruiting videos and every one of them shoots 100% from the field!

 

[ChosenChildren]

Clemmons WAS NOT a turnover machine. He was terrific most of the year, and will be a real key for next year. He will get extended minutes.

 

[ibahawkeye]

Here is a whole different take. I will preface this by saying that I never really saw Fran's Sienna teams, but based on what/who he has recruited these last 2 years, I think he wants a taller version of Davidson.

I think he wants a team of kids from 6'5" to 6'7" at positions 1 through 4 running an up-tempo, transition offense, that has a lot of 3 point shooting ability in the half-court sets. I also think Uhl could be one of the lynchpins of such a team. Has anyone else noticed how good of a ball-handler he is? I am NOT saying he is a better player (right now) than RDM, but he sure as hell is a better ball-handler. I foresee him being the stop-gap PG until Connor McCaffrey shows up in the year between MG and AC graduating.

I probably am projecting out 2 years instead of next year. I'll bet Sienna did NOT have a 7 footer on their team. But they did probably have a Bruiser in the mold of Ed Horton or Brandon Dawson playing the 5. Kind of a donut team of athletes between 6'5" and 6'7" who can run the floor and shoot the 3, with a bruiser in the middle as the designated rebounder.

Now, this coming year will be very heavy on Uthoff, Woody, MG and AC. No Question. But, once Woody gets his second foul in the first 4 minutes, you might see a different team out there that resembles Davidson's offense, just a LOT taller.

Clearly this last scholarship is very important to get that Big man who will back up Woody this year and be the 5 for the 2 or three years after that.

So, after Woody, MG, AC and Uthoff graduate, I could see a whole lotta runnin' and gunnin' from interchangeable parts like Uhl, Jok, Fleming/Ellingson Moss/Wiliams and our "yet to be determined" big man. Pemsl will be a True Freshman by then and maybe he's the second coming of Georges Niang. He's thick enough to bang inside and clearly can shoot from 3. Is Wagner really 6'7"? Not an outside threat but he could bulk up to be a banger. Hutton is clearly the guy you bring in to stop the other teams big scorer...

A team of all 6'5" and taller might make for a pretty good zone defense. It would also be PERFECT for a Mr. Davis full court pressure defense, but that is a completely different discussion.

Anyway, food for thought for 2016 into 2017...

Uhl continues to a be a mystery... Some want him to play the 4 and now you suggest we play him at point. I would say no to both.

He's a wing man. There's not much difference in motion offense from the 2-3 spots but I would say his time needs to be mostly spent at the 3 for defensive purposes. At this point in his career I worry about him staying in front of an opposing 2 guard.

 

[Tkingpin]

Uhl continues to a be a mystery... Some want him to play the 4 and now you suggest we play him at point. I would say no to both.

He's a wing man. There's not much difference in motion offense from the 2-3 spots but I would say his time needs to be mostly spent at the 3 for defensive purposes. At this point in his career I worry about him staying in front of an opposing 2 guard.

Not suggesting we play him at PG in the 2015-2016 season with MG and AC still around. Just a possibility in 2016 - 2017 while waiting for Connor McC. One thing we DO know is that we are NOT recruiting a PG in this upcoming class, because we clearly are looking for a big man with the final scholly. After MG and AC, there is not another PG on the roster, unless people think Charlie Rose is the answer. Maybe he will find one in the class with Pemsl. I hope Franny does! He had better awfully smart and talented, because we will be asking him to run the team as a True Freshman...

edit from previous post: I forgot about Baer. Once again, another 6'7" guy. Pure Shooter, supposedly. One site showed his weight to be 187 pounds. OMG! that means at 6'7" he weighs LESS than Gesell! Must be built like Uthoff. Doesn't really matter, as long as he can shoot as well in games as Oglesby does in practice...

 

[Hawkfnntn]

Unlike this year I think next year there may be some tinkering with the lineup as the year goes on. This yr (not counting sr day) the lineup only changed once.

My crystal ball says

MG
Jok
Uhl
Uthoff
Woody.
To start off the year anyway. It's just me but I like Clemmons coming off the bench but if he plays well I can't rule out him starting over either Jok or Uhl depending how they look and if Fran wants to play small ball.

The newbies are just such a crap shoot. I can say this though. If Fleming can play D and not make some of the head scratching plays Jok has been known to make he could very well take a bite out of his mins. The competition there and for Uhls mins and Uthoffs backup will be pretty fierce just because of how many guys will be after them. It'll be fun to see shake out so long as they win along the way.

 

[WindsorHawk]

And I'm much more handsome than this Cruise guy, yeah, you are so right, PC.

Gesell
Sapp
Jok
Ute
Woody.

These 5 guys will likely start at beginning, middle and end of next season.
And these 5 guys will log the most PT for the Hawkeyes, also.

With all the young guys coming in, Wagner, Moss, Fleming, Baer, it might be
rare to see D Uhl on the floor.......unless he improves, drastically and exponentially.

Case closed

You are being obtuse. There is no one to spell Gesell and Clemmons if they both start. It has nothing to do with who is the best player. Clemmons will get starter's minutes. Both Gesell and Clemmons will likely be on the floor at the end of games...just not the beginning. Clemmons has to be the veteran on the floor to run the show when the starters take a breather.

If you don't think Uhl is going to play you have watched very little if any Iowa basketball this year. He played 10 minutes a game as a true freshman and the 8th/9th man in the rotation...on a team loaded with juniors and seniors. He's going to play...won't surprise me if his minutes double.

 

[atomicblue224]

Twin Towers?
Franky=Woody