Next ISU basketball coach

I'm no Cyclone lover, but I fail to see how anybody would think it reflects badly on ISU that their coach left to coach the CHICAGO FREAKIN' BULLS. Fred's not an idiot... C'mon man!
 
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trj said:
I do not know how old you are so this comparison/analogy may or may not make sense. Could this be ISU's version of Lute Olsen? Where the fishbowl simply becomes too much and you take any good offer and run. Kids could go to some suburban school in almost complete amonitity(sp?). As Mike23 and others have pointed out the Bulls roster isn't ideal for what FH wants to do. This isn't Steve Kerr stepping into the Golden St. job.
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i'm 45 - i think the comparisons are apples and oranges. and i don't buy the 'he couldn't take the pressure of iowa city-fishbowl'. but that is another thread.

fred used the clownz. he loves the nba. came to ames from the nba. told folly he was going back to the nba. this is no secret.

so - now he's going back to the nba. and this should be no surprise to anyone given that is what he is said to have wanted all along.

fred's style of recruiting even pointed to him wanting to prove he could 'win quick' - he wasn't into developing a program - moreso taking free agents and building a team that way. so that is why he took all these misfits instead of recruiting freshmen and developing a program.

and the clownz loved it because the mayor was doing it for them - to build isu into a power - blah, blah, blah.....fred was doing it for himself, and used iowa state to further his cause.
 
The next ISU BB coach will be TJ Otzelberger, and it is gonna be real, real fun watching that arrogant fan base come crashing back down to earth.
 
Maybe Royce White can put away his NBA comeback dream and go back to Ames to coach. It would be good times at fantasy island.
 
ATLHawkeye said:
I'm no Cyclone lover, but I fail to see how anybody would think it reflects badly on ISU that their coach left to coach the CHICAGO FREAKIN' BULLS. Fred's not an idiot... C'mon man!
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Because he also would have left for the Magic or Pelicans or any other NBA opening, he was just in "get me the hell" out of Ames mode.
 
HawkeyeMike23 said:
Because he also would have left for the Magic or Pelicans or any other NBA opening, he was just in "get me the hell" out of Ames mode.
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And he's "The Mayor" for crying out loud. A couple months ago on CyFan they had a legitimate thread started trying to garner enough votes to convince the powers at be in Ames to change the name of the town to Hoiberg, IA.

Little did they know it appears he's been looking for a ticket out of that hell hole for quite awhile.
 
DP5555 said:
And he's "The Mayor" for crying out loud. A couple months ago on CyFan they had a legitimate thread started trying to garner enough votes to convince the powers at be in Ames to change the name of the town to Hoiberg, IA.

Little did they know it appears he's been looking for a ticket out of that hell hole for quite awhile.
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Their coach worship over there reminds me of Penn St fans with Joe Paterno. Maybe this will be a good time for ISU to correct some of their institutional priorities.
 
imported_ankle23 said:
i'm 45 - i think the comparisons are apples and oranges. and i don't buy the 'he couldn't take the pressure of iowa city-fishbowl'. but that is another thread.

fred used the clownz. he loves the nba. came to ames from the nba. told folly he was going back to the nba. this is no secret.

so - now he's going back to the nba. and this should be no surprise to anyone given that is what he is said to have wanted all along.

fred's style of recruiting even pointed to him wanting to prove he could 'win quick' - he wasn't into developing a program - moreso taking free agents and building a team that way. so that is why he took all these misfits instead of recruiting freshmen and developing a program.

and the clownz loved it because the mayor was doing it for them - to build isu into a power - blah, blah, blah.....fred was doing it for himself, and used iowa state to further his cause.
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Yeah, he made no secrets about his NBA aspirations, but I thought the plan was to jumpstart the program quickly with transfers and then take a more "traditional" approach in building a foundation then bolt after that. Well, he didn't do that.

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After watching a mediocre Connecticut team win a title 2 years ago I thought he would dig in and make a deep run in the tourney and then get out Dodge. Ummm, he didn't do that either.

If I were a cyclonefan(thank gawd I am not)I would be kinda bitter.
 
Iowa State has nobody to blame but themselves if theyre ******. Pollard knew the deal from day one, it's not like Hoiberg wasnt truthful. Nobody made Iowa State sign up for this, they agreed to it. Hoiberg was clear from day one, he wasnt going to Iowa State unless he could build it with tranfers and cast offs. He couldnt compete with Kansas just recruiting high school kids so this was his path and if successful, he was bolting to the NBA. Nothing has changed, this is what Iowa State signed up for. Sure, Iowa State was the only one that would give Hoiberg the opportunity with zero experience, but thats their own problem they let him use them in return for a little success.
 
eveningnewsteam said:
Iowa State has nobody to blame but themselves if theyre ******. Pollard knew the deal from day one, it's not like Hoiberg wasnt truthful. Nobody made Iowa State sign up for this, they agreed to it. Hoiberg was clear from day one, he wasnt going to Iowa State unless he could build it with tranfers and cast offs. He couldnt compete with Kansas just recruiting high school kids so this was his path and if successful, he was bolting to the NBA. Nothing has changed, this is what Iowa State signed up for. Sure, Iowa State was the only one that would give Hoiberg the opportunity with zero experience, but thats their own problem they let him use them in return for a little success.
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Given what Iowa St. supposedly means to him you would think loyalty would trump almost everything. No deep tourney runs, didn't really put a bunch of dudes in the league and most importantly they are starting from the bottom after next year, no foundation whatsoever. Everyone knew he was going to the league at some point, but all ISU got out of it was a couple of tourney titles. You would think it would burn at him to get a little more done before taking off.
 
trj said:
I do not know how old you are so this comparison/analogy may or may not make sense. Could this be ISU's version of Lute Olsen? Where the fishbowl simply becomes too much and you take any good offer and run.
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Not really that similar, IMO.

Lute did not have the greatest relationship with the media and even many of the fans toward the end. Hoiberg was the golden boy.
 
Maybe hoiberg wanted to be Brian instead of Jesus. Everyone assumes hero worship is a good thing, But seeing the way grown *** men are acting now I can only imagine how annoying it gets for him on a daily basis.
 
trj said:
Given what Iowa St. supposedly means to him you would think loyalty would trump almost everything. No deep tourney runs, didn't really put a bunch of dudes in the league and most importantly they are starting from the bottom after next year, no foundation whatsoever. Everyone knew he was going to the league at some point, but all ISU got out of it was a couple of tourney titles. You would think it would burn at him to get a little more done before taking off.
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I don't see how Fred isn't showing loyalty. Other than if the standard is taking any job other than the ISU job. Hoiberg leaves the ISU job in an infinitely better place than it was 5 years ago. 4 NCAA tournaments out of 5 (and 5 in a row). A Sweet 16 that may have been more if not for an injury to Niang, 2 round of 32 exits and this year's first-round upset to UAB. And 2 B12 conference tournament titles.

Hoiberg did what he was hired to do. Whether or not he left a good "foundation" is irrelevant. What he did leave was a roster that is Top 10 quality for 2015-16. Anything beyond 1 year in the future in college basketball is speculative. If Otzelberger is hired, he will have a whole year to bring in an impact recruiting class to build off the success that will come in 2015-16.
 
When TJ came back, I texted a few ISU friends and said 'That's your next coach'.

I don't see it being anyone else. I think Jamie's trip to Parker Search was just to see if any big names have let it be known they are looking...it will be TJ, and he is a great, great recruiter.
 
JonDMiller said:
When TJ came back, I texted a few ISU friends and said 'That's your next coach'.

I don't see it being anyone else. I think Jamie's trip to Parker Search was just to see if any big names have let it be known they are looking...it will be TJ, and he is a great, great recruiter.
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i think you put it on this website, or on twitter - i'll vouch for you! :)

tj makes sense for continuity - haven't had a coach for a month or more, no sense having more 'turmoil'. he'll be put into place very quickly after tomorrow's announcement.
 
JonDMiller said:
When TJ came back, I texted a few ISU friends and said 'That's your next coach'.

I don't see it being anyone else. I think Jamie's trip to Parker Search was just to see if any big names have let it be known they are looking...it will be TJ, and he is a great, great recruiter.
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How many top 25 classes has he brought in?
 
How far down will the "Hoiball" success ultimately take the program?

I say this for several reasons.

1) Chris Williams has already said that ANY COACH can coach this team to the final 4. The fans fully expect a Big12 title and tournament title with this team. When that doesn't happen, he has already started off by underperforming.

2) Will he be able to get the players to play together like Fred did? Monte is looking at the NBA, Niang hoists ups shots like it is going out of style, will Thomas accept a roll like his 1st 2 years, will Burton and Cooke be happy with their rolls as well.

3) While JD says that TJ is a great recruiter, how many of those kids has he convinced to come play for HIM? The transfer market has dried up on Fred, and after this coming year, they are gonna be in rebuild mode regardless.

4) Pollard has reached into this well before. What are the odds of him finding lightning in a bottle with 2 hires, where neither one of them had any HC experience at any level?
 
DodgerHawki said:
I don't see how Fred isn't showing loyalty. Other than if the standard is taking any job other than the ISU job. Hoiberg leaves the ISU job in an infinitely better place than it was 5 years ago. 4 NCAA tournaments out of 5 (and 5 in a row). A Sweet 16 that may have been more if not for an injury to Niang, 2 round of 32 exits and this year's first-round upset to UAB. And 2 B12 conference tournament titles.

Hoiberg did what he was hired to do. Whether or not he left a good "foundation" is irrelevant. What he did leave was a roster that is Top 10 quality for 2015-16. Anything beyond 1 year in the future in college basketball is speculative. If Otzelberger is hired, he will have a whole year to bring in an impact recruiting class to build off the success that will come in 2015-16.
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Will see time will tell. Let's see if a more "traditional" approach works moving forward. Imo, he got out dodge with unfinished business.
 
I dont Understand the fascination with Pollard.
Basketball: 2 hires, one failure and one success but the success fell in his lap and then broke his heart. Literally.
Football: ran off the most successful coach ever and then two failed hires.
Wrestling: lost the golden boy to Pedo U, and I don't think they are good now.

Heck, even in women's sports he inherited the coaches.

The guy put up a billboard and cy fans are eternally grateful.
 
The thing that I'm curious to see is how TJ will handle the players i.e. all the transfers. Fred was very good at handling these misfits. Can TJ do the same? Will he continue to bring in transfers or will he go the more traditional route of high schoolers?
 
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