Nebraska AD now says year four or five will takeoff

[okeefe4prez]

So what they are saying is they will suck next year as well?

They are tempering expectations. Don't expect 15-0. That will take another two years.

 

[PCHawk]

I don’t condone rape or any kind of violence against women. But a woman should know better to go into a man’s apartment alone. On the other hand, those guys should have been indoctrinated about sexual harassment/ assault thru the football teams orientation. That said, I think my questions are valid. The questions a defense attorney is gonna ask will be much more intense. With all the SJW’s screaming about “rape culture,” there is no fathomable reason that either parties should have entered into this situation. I get it. There are some piece of shit guys out there. But there are also an equal amount of piece of shit bitches out there too, trying to destroy men. If the guys are guilty, they should be punished. But if the woman is just trying to make a buck thru some civil suit later, she too should be punished. I don’t care much for Nebraska, but I do care that REAL justice being carried out. Not just blindly believe everything a woman says. I’ve seen way too many guys falsely accused and punished and later exonerated without the woman ever being reprimanded. I don’t like to see lives destroyed based on hearsay. Show me some indisputable evidence first!

Yep. Figured that's what you meant. When you try so hard to defend one side, you have to condemn the other, you're doing it wrong.

 

[HuckFinn]

I have to say that I am very disturbed by several comments on this delicate topic, rape. Given what a woman has to go through in order to legally defend herself against rape, the term “rare event” is a classic understatement when it comes to false accusations.

“No” means NO, at any point in time. I wish she had chosen not to place herself in a position of vulnerability, for her own sake, given the results. But, the real question is, “Why in the world should this circumstance make her vulnerable?” Have any two of you male posters ever been alone with a single female? I have been, on numerous occasions, with another guy and a single female. Never once did I consider this some kind of sexual invitation. In this circumstance, I would be very careful not to be misunderstood at any level.

The current level of evidence required to convict someone of rape is enough protection for just about any accused individual. The de facto need for the victim to “prove” s/he was indeed raped is problem enough for the victim.

I sincerely hope some of you will take serious looks at some of the things you have said.

 

[Fryowa]

It seems you got some more learnin' to do. A red pill incel is a fine example of an oxymoron.

No it’s not, the two aren’t mutually exclusive.

When you’re an incel with red pill viewpoints and opinions (Modebasan), you fit both.

Spouting off about being an alpha male doesn’t make you one, which is what I explained before. Most of the people considering themselves that aggro type are flabby basement-dweller types in reality.

Modebasan has spouted nasty shit about women on here ad nauseum, and loves to tell people how he’s going to Southeast Asia because there are real women there, who know how to act for their men and want to be protected and secure, and blah blah blah. That’s red pill, man.

He’s also running to a different country across the planet because he’s over 60 years old and been rejected by every woman he’s come across, and says American women suck, and lumps every single one of them into being a slut who’s only concerned with money. If that isn’t incel I don’t know what is.

See how both viewpoints are just ridiculously similar? They both think most women are secondary in worth to “real” men.

You need to do the “learnin.’”

 

[okeefe4prez]

See how both viewpoints are just ridiculously similar? They both think most women are secondary in worth to “real” men.

Red Pill makes no value judgments about relative merits based on gender, it merely attempts to explain human interactions. American universities have provided some form of "gender studies" for decades under the guise of "social sciences" and shockingly, unlike most actual science, there is some immutable consensus coming from all universities that says firmly women are oppressed, etc. Usually in science, you would take a hypothesis and stress test it. Not gender studies, though. Oh no. Someone creates the Red Pill Theory, what do you do? You just have to shut it down and get every white knight enabler like you out there to immediately dismiss it as "misogyny."

Is your pal ModebaSan a misogynist? Hell if I know, probably. But that isn't red pill. That's just him being an asshole.

 

[Northside Hawk]

I have never heard of an incel but it is a foregone conclusion that women disregard men who are not good looking or rich! So that part is true anyway.

Goddamn! (face palm) So that's been my problem all these years.

 

[PCHawk]

I have to say that I am very disturbed by several comments on this delicate topic, rape. Given what a woman has to go through in order to legally defend herself against rape, the term “rare event” is a classic understatement when it comes to false accusations.

“No” means NO, at any point in time. I wish she had chosen not to place herself in a position of vulnerability, for her own sake, given the results. But, the real question is, “Why in the world should this circumstance make her vulnerable?” Have any two of you male posters ever been alone with a single female? I have been, on numerous occasions, with another guy and a single female. Never once did I consider this some kind of sexual invitation. In this circumstance, I would be very careful not to be misunderstood at any level.

The current level of evidence required to convict someone of rape is enough protection for just about any accused individual. The de facto need for the victim to “prove” s/he was indeed raped is problem enough for the victim.

I sincerely hope some of you will take serious looks at some of the things you have said.

Well Huck, I wish you were right and we actually lived in a world where when a girl said no she meant it. It would be a lot less confusing for guys. Since we don't it unfortunately makes rape an opinion sometimes instead of a clear cut crime. If I girl says no once but a guy keeps trying and she eventually gives in and appears to like it, is that rape? The guy feels good about himself because he "won her over" and at the same time she feels terrible and he doesn't even know anything is wrong. If a girl says no once and a minute later jumps on top of you and goes to town, is that rape? What if she never even says no once but wakes up in the morning with regret? Is that rape? What if the guy and the girl are both drunk as hell? Is that rape? And if so, who raped who? Is it just always the guy who takes the fall there?

I have 2 daughters, and if one of them ever came up to me and told me they were raped, I would ask A LOT of questions. I would be very delicate and make sure she knew I was on her side. But I would ask the questions. I would make sure she knew the ramifications for what she was saying. I would make sure she didn't mislead the guy into thinking it was ok. I would make sure she wasn't completely making it up for vengeance. Then after all of my questions, after looking into her eyes while she answered, if I thought the guy really did rape her, I would go cut his dick off. But you can't blindly trust one side of the story until you can get all the facts and believe they are true.

 

[dirtwrap]

Well Huck, I wish you were right and we actually lived in a world where when a girl said no she meant it. It would be a lot less confusing for guys. Since we don't it unfortunately makes rape an opinion sometimes instead of a clear cut crime. If I girl says no once but a guy keeps trying and she eventually gives in and appears to like it, is that rape? The guy feels good about himself because he "won her over" and at the same time she feels terrible and he doesn't even know anything is wrong. If a girl says no once and a minute later jumps on top of you and goes to town, is that rape? What if she never even says no once but wakes up in the morning with regret? Is that rape? What if the guy and the girl are both drunk as hell? Is that rape? And if so, who raped who? Is it just always the guy who takes the fall there?

I have 2 daughters, and if one of them ever came up to me and told me they were raped, I would ask A LOT of questions. I would be very delicate and make sure she knew I was on her side. But I would ask the questions. I would make sure she knew the ramifications for what she was saying. I would make sure she didn't mislead the guy into thinking it was ok. I would make sure she wasn't completely making it up for vengeance. Then after all of my questions, after looking into her eyes while she answered, if I thought the guy really did rape her, I would go cut his dick off. But you can't blindly trust one side of the story until you can get all the facts and believe they are true.

This is a very good post. That is the biggest problem with all of these sexual accusations is that there is everything between zero and 180. We know there are times when a female has truly been assaulted and taken against her will. We know there are times that a man has been falsely accused and the entire story a fabrication because there was some sort of motive. And then there is everywhere in between. There are no levels, there are no definitive markers with any of this.

I dont know enough about this situation to be able to form an opinion. What is disturbing to me though is that it is documented that the female called the police and reported the crime almost immediately, and yet it took so long for the police to do anything about it, and instead, got the university involved. That should have been a police issue from the very beginning irregardless of who it involved or where it took place. That is the very same type of corruption that existed at Penn State with the whole Sandusky thing and Michigan State with the Nasser thing. It should be black and white, it is either a police matter or it isn't. In this case it was, and very clearly from the start, and the university should have completely bowed out of it and let the police do their jobs. And the police should have never went to the university.

I hope some heads roll after this one.

 

[HawkGold]

This is a very good post. That is the biggest problem with all of these sexual accusations is that there is everything between zero and 180. We know there are times when a female has truly been assaulted and taken against her will. We know there are times that a man has been falsely accused and the entire story a fabrication because there was some sort of motive. And then there is everywhere in between. There are no levels, there are no definitive markers with any of this.

I dont know enough about this situation to be able to form an opinion. What is disturbing to me though is that it is documented that the female called the police and reported the crime almost immediately, and yet it took so long for the police to do anything about it, and instead, got the university involved. That should have been a police issue from the very beginning irregardless of who it involved or where it took place. That is the very same type of corruption that existed at Penn State with the whole Sandusky thing and Michigan State with the Nasser thing. It should be black and white, it is either a police matter or it isn't. In this case it was, and very clearly from the start, and the university should have completely bowed out of it and let the police do their jobs. And the police should have never went to the university.

I hope some heads roll after this one.

PC s post is terrible and he ll lose his daughter forever at that point.

 

[HawkGold]

Well Huck, I wish you were right and we actually lived in a world where when a girl said no she meant it. It would be a lot less confusing for guys. Since we don't it unfortunately makes rape an opinion sometimes instead of a clear cut crime. If I girl says no once but a guy keeps trying and she eventually gives in and appears to like it, is that rape? The guy feels good about himself because he "won her over" and at the same time she feels terrible and he doesn't even know anything is wrong. If a girl says no once and a minute later jumps on top of you and goes to town, is that rape? What if she never even says no once but wakes up in the morning with regret? Is that rape? What if the guy and the girl are both drunk as hell? Is that rape? And if so, who raped who? Is it just always the guy who takes the fall there?

I have 2 daughters, and if one of them ever came up to me and told me they were raped, I would ask A LOT of questions. I would be very delicate and make sure she knew I was on her side. But I would ask the questions. I would make sure she knew the ramifications for what she was saying. I would make sure she didn't mislead the guy into thinking it was ok. I would make sure she wasn't completely making it up for vengeance. Then after all of my questions, after looking into her eyes while she answered, if I thought the guy really did rape her, I would go cut his dick off. But you can't blindly trust one side of the story until you can get all the facts and believe they are true.

If your daughter was raped she will never speak to you again.

 

[HuckFinn]

Well Huck, I wish you were right and we actually lived in a world where when a girl said no she meant it. It would be a lot less confusing for guys. Since we don't it unfortunately makes rape an opinion sometimes instead of a clear cut crime. If I girl says no once but a guy keeps trying and she eventually gives in and appears to like it, is that rape? The guy feels good about himself because he "won her over" and at the same time she feels terrible and he doesn't even know anything is wrong. If a girl says no once and a minute later jumps on top of you and goes to town, is that rape? What if she never even says no once but wakes up in the morning with regret? Is that rape? What if the guy and the girl are both drunk as hell? Is that rape? And if so, who raped who? Is it just always the guy who takes the fall there?

I have 2 daughters, and if one of them ever came up to me and told me they were raped, I would ask A LOT of questions. I would be very delicate and make sure she knew I was on her side. But I would ask the questions. I would make sure she knew the ramifications for what she was saying. I would make sure she didn't mislead the guy into thinking it was ok. I would make sure she wasn't completely making it up for vengeance. Then after all of my questions, after looking into her eyes while she answered, if I thought the guy really did rape her, I would go cut his dick off. But you can't blindly trust one side of the story until you can get all the facts and believe they are true.

PC, I understand your position that a man can be the victim of a false accusation. I agree that can happen. Innocent people are falsely convicted. Our legal system is not perfect, but a better method is not on the horizon. However, as to your example of a no, followed by acquiescence, the very first time a guy hears no, that is the end of it, pure and simple. After that, the game is over. She could have been intimidated, she could have been misunderstood, she could have felt she was in danger. No excuses. Next, if both are drunk, both are by law not able to consent. No excuses. Easy answer for the male, don’t get drunk, then pursue sex with anyone. In short, if a girl says no, the proper response is clear...stop. It is not up to the guy to analyze whether or not she means it. In fact, been there done that.

As to your theoretical approach with your daughters, I applaud your sensitive support of their feelings. You are showing them great love and understanding, but also confirming their truthfulness. I would handle it the same way.

 

[HawkGold]

PC, I understand your position that a man can be the victim of a false accusation. I agree that can happen. Innocent people are falsely convicted. Our legal system is not perfect, but a better method is not on the horizon. However, as to your example of a no, followed by acquiescence, the very first time a guy hears no, that is the end of it, pure and simple. After that, the game is over. She could have been intimidated, she could have been misunderstood, she could have felt she was in danger. No excuses. Next, if both are drunk, both are by law not able to consent. No excuses. Easy answer for the male, don’t get drunk, then pursue sex with anyone. In short, if a girl says no, the proper response is clear...stop. It is not up to the guy to analyze whether or not she means it. In fact, been there done that.

As to your theoretical approach with your daughters, I applaud your sensitive support of their feelings. You are showing them great love and understanding, but also confirming their truthfulness. I would handle it the same way.

What version of English are you translating what he said? Let me translate.

Im going to question my traumatized daughter to make sure she did absolutely nothing to deserve rape. Females... All of them are looking to destroy good ol boys with needs. Im going to choose my words carefully to keep her confused so she doesnt destroy the dudes life like some chick coulda destroyed mine.

After I ve destroyed her self esteem and really confuse her. .If I find out it really happened and Im cornered Im going run my mouth like Im supportive and make threats a I out this poor guy. When she thinks I might further shame her by being an idiot she ll recant and say she deep down wanted it afterall the poor guy is just like daddy.

 

[PCHawk]

PC, I understand your position that a man can be the victim of a false accusation. I agree that can happen. Innocent people are falsely convicted. Our legal system is not perfect, but a better method is not on the horizon. However, as to your example of a no, followed by acquiescence, the very first time a guy hears no, that is the end of it, pure and simple. After that, the game is over. She could have been intimidated, she could have been misunderstood, she could have felt she was in danger. No excuses. Next, if both are drunk, both are by law not able to consent. No excuses. Easy answer for the male, don’t get drunk, then pursue sex with anyone. In short, if a girl says no, the proper response is clear...stop. It is not up to the guy to analyze whether or not she means it. In fact, been there done that.

As to your theoretical approach with your daughters, I applaud your sensitive support of their feelings. You are showing them great love and understanding, but also confirming their truthfulness. I would handle it the same way.

Pretty good response. I just think you're really underestimating how much women like to feel chased. They love saying no just to get you to try harder and to make themselves feel like they didn't "give it up too easy". There is some sort or line between giving the girl the pursuit they want and knowing when a no really means no. The only problem is that line is really grey and varies from girl to girl. Really the only way for a guy to 100% take himself out of a bad situation is to never try to give a girl the chase that so many want or get all girls to quit wanting to be chased. Neither will ever happen so we will always have a bunch of confusion on what happened the next day. Its unfortunate on all sides.

 

[PCHawk]

What version of English are you translating what he said? Let me translate.

Im going to question my traumatized daughter to make sure she did absolutely nothing to deserve rape. Females... All of them are looking to destroy good ol boys with needs. Im going to choose my words carefully to keep her confused so she doesnt destroy the dudes life like some chick coulda destroyed mine.

After I ve destroyed her self esteem and really confuse her. .If I find out it really happened and Im cornered Im going run my mouth like Im supportive and make threats a I out this poor guy. When she thinks I might further shame her by being an idiot she ll recant and say she deep down wanted it afterall the poor guy is just like daddy.

If you have a problem with what I said it means you read what you wanted to read and greatly minimized the most important part of how I will make sure they know I'm on their side. Something I will have done for their whole lives already.

 

[HawkGold]

If you have a problem with what I said it means you read what you wanted to read and greatly minimized the most important part of how I will make sure they know I'm on their side. Something I will have done for their whole lives already.

Yes I do. No you arent. You have an alternative view of reality. Little of what you said show you are on her side.

 

[PCHawk]

Yes I do. No you arent. You have an alternative view of reality. Little of what you said show you are on her side.

So if I just don't ask any questions and it comes out that she was just mad at guy so she made it up, then has to live with that embarrassment, or she looks back after growing up and realizes she misled him and it wasn't really his fault, so lives with tons of regret for ruining the man's life, that would be looking out for her? It's hilarious that you think it's impossible to have a relationship with your daughter strong enough to do what I'm suggesting. It's equally hilarious that you think every single girl in the world would handle that situation the same exact way. Here's a little secret that I'm surprised you don't already know. People are different.

 

[RobHowe]

 

[4thngoal]

I have to say that I am very disturbed by several comments on this delicate topic, rape. Given what a woman has to go through in order to legally defend herself against rape, the term “rare event” is a classic understatement when it comes to false accusations.

“No” means NO, at any point in time. I wish she had chosen not to place herself in a position of vulnerability, for her own sake, given the results. But, the real question is, “Why in the world should this circumstance make her vulnerable?” Have any two of you male posters ever been alone with a single female? I have been, on numerous occasions, with another guy and a single female. Never once did I consider this some kind of sexual invitation. In this circumstance, I would be very careful not to be misunderstood at any level.

The current level of evidence required to convict someone of rape is enough protection for just about any accused individual. The de facto need for the victim to “prove” s/he was indeed raped is problem enough for the victim.

I sincerely hope some of you will take serious looks at some of the things you have said.

I think we all agree on that.
What I hope we are discussing is the procedure after the claim is made.
I think it is a bad situation. If the claim is not false, I imagine it was traumatic. I would say the notion of a player ever playing again is a no brainier and not up for discussion. Should the girl be required to attend in patient therapy for a month and then out patient to properly deal with the trauma?? Maybe if we want a properly adjusted citizen.
What if the accusation is false? What if it turns out that the girl is just crazy or vindictive? They exist, you know.
It would seem that either way the person claiming rape, true or not, needs therapy.
What if it is found to be true in court, but in the name of Justice they let the player play and graduate maybe go pro, but 25% of his gross income for the rest of his life, now goes to his victim and support of other such victims?
It's extremely complex situation.
In my other post, I said it is a question of morals. That nobody can say exactly, because everyone has different morals.
I also said the law is not a moral standard it is the bottom of the barrel, the last line of defense so to speak. If it's legal or not, should not determine the standard for morals. At one time it was legal to own slaves. It was legal to discriminate. It was legal or acceptable to beat your wife.

 

[4thngoal]

No it’s not, the two aren’t mutually exclusive.

When you’re an incel with red pill viewpoints and opinions (Modebasan), you fit both.

Spouting off about being an alpha male doesn’t make you one, which is what I explained before. Most of the people considering themselves that aggro type are flabby basement-dweller types in reality.

Modebasan has spouted nasty shit about women on here ad nauseum, and loves to tell people how he’s going to Southeast Asia because there are real women there, who know how to act for their men and want to be protected and secure, and blah blah blah. That’s red pill, man.

He’s also running to a different country across the planet because he’s over 60 years old and been rejected by every woman he’s come across, and says American women suck, and lumps every single one of them into being a slut who’s only concerned with money. If that isn’t incel I don’t know what is.

See how both viewpoints are just ridiculously similar? They both think most women are secondary in worth to “real” men.

You need to do the “learnin.’”

Do you not agree that in other countries the aspects of how people dress, what is legal and what is not, how society treats the elderly, sexual....openess, is different? More strict in some places and more lax in others? So maybe thinking a bride from a different country with different cultures is nothing more than matching morals? More "strict" or more "lax".

 

[4thngoal]

If your daughter was raped she will never speak to you again.

Bullshit.
My children were always told come to me first. Don't say a word to anyone and always tell me the truth. I'm your biggest fan. I will protect you with more fury, more passion than anyone else in this world will. I am the one person who you can trust and count on in this world.
Fucking (sorry but your response absolutely pisses me off) furthermore, I would hope to God my child feels more comfortable talking to me about something like this and having me ask questions then a total stranger wearing a badge or a suit. They are doing their job and nothing more.