MSUM's Anthony Tucker shows a knack for the basket

dave3912 said:
Tyler Smith at Tennessee
Aaron Fuller at USC
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Smith a criminal that got kicked off the team, I guess I didn't ask about character though.
Fuller a player on a team that is pretty comparable to Iowa when he was at Iowa.

Now think about that though, you can name 2 players out of the seemingly 100.
 
sportstalent said:
Smith a criminal that got kicked off the team, I guess I didn't ask about character though.
Fuller a player on a team that is pretty comparable to Iowa when he was at Iowa.

Now think about that though, you can name 2 players out of the seemingly 100.
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2 is better than zero, its just like football. If they transfer out their playing career is pretty much over on the div. 1 level.
 
ICHAWK said:
Did you drink too much over the holidays?

Kyle Korver is 6'7
Kyle Korver shot 45% from the 3 point line in college, he shot 48% from the 3 point line his senior year on 269 attempts.

There is no way in hell Anthony Tucker could play in the NBA at 6'4 especially considering he is a terrible shooter compared to Korver.

I mean this is absolutely ridiculos.
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Agreed. Tucker can't hack it in a decent college conference.
 
storminspank said:
Tucker played point in AAU and excelled there. His ball-handling is very good - same goes for passing.
I'm not going to advocate either for defense. Neither has impressed me at any level. Josh has more potential in this area, as Tucker doesn't play much D.

Tucker can slash. He did it at the prep level and at the AAU level. It's tough to base Tucker's game on his career at Iowa because of the "offense" he was in. Put Tucker in this offense and he wouldn't be sitting around the arc. His game would be closer to Marble's than Oglesby's. For example, vs. St Cloud St, Tucker put up 32 pts only 9 of those came from behind the arc. He can get to the rim, he has in the past. The issue at Iowa was there wasn't many opportunities to showcase that - both because of Lickliter's "offense" and him not being able to put basketball ahead of his vices.
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Tucker is not anything close to a slasher. Im not buying that he would have the ability to go anywhere off the dribble against BIG teams.
 
sportstalent said:
Smith a criminal that got kicked off the team, I guess I didn't ask about character though.
Fuller a player on a team that is pretty comparable to Iowa when he was at Iowa.

Now think about that though, you can name 2 players out of the seemingly 100.
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Marcelleous Summerville had a very good career at Bradley. Courtney Scott a decent one at Oakland I believe. Jake Kelley did Ok at Indiana state but I think he had injuries and of course the infamous Ben Brust.

The reason no one can remember the Lick recruits like Tucker, Payne Couglill ect is because those guys never ever, ever, should have even been considered to play in the big ten. They ended up at the level they belonged and that is a level that is not going to get you any recognition.
 
What I don't understand is if Tucker was so good why did he not have any other offers at a major college? Even his home state, Minnesota, passed on him.
 
RocknRollface said:
Marcelleous Summerville had a very good career at Bradley. Courtney Scott a decent one at Oakland I believe. Jake Kelley did Ok at Indiana state but I think he had injuries and of course the infamous Ben Brust.

The reason no one can remember the Lick recruits like Tucker, Payne Couglill ect is because those guys never ever, ever, should have even been considered to play in the big ten. They ended up at the level they belonged and that is a level that is not going to get you any recognition.
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My original question was Major conference. Don't dispute any of those though.
 
RocknRollface said:
Marcelleous Summerville had a very good career at Bradley. Courtney Scott a decent one at Oakland I believe. Jake Kelley did Ok at Indiana state but I think he had injuries and of course the infamous Ben Brust.

The reason no one can remember the Lick recruits like Tucker, Payne Couglill ect is because those guys never ever, ever, should have even been considered to play in the big ten. They ended up at the level they belonged and that is a level that is not going to get you any recognition.
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Ben never made it on campus as a student or player of the University of Iowa. He was a recruit but I don't remember, did he sign his LOI and then switch once lickliter got fired?

Either way he really wasn't a current member of the team that was here playing in games in uniform and then transferred.

MVC was playing on a major level with UNI, Drake doing well but now Witchita State and Creighton are the big boys. Creighton has always been decent but with Greggy and Dougy they have been alot better, probably since Korver played there.
 
storminspank said:
Aaron is averaging 14 min and less than 3 points per game for USC.
I don't think I would consider him a big contributor.
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Do you know what happened with him? I could have sworn he was playing really solid and a decent number of minutes last year.
 
storminspank said:
Aaron is averaging 14 min and less than 3 points per game for USC.
I don't think I would consider him a big contributor.
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Spank, he transferred so he didn't play in the '10-11 season but when he returned to the court in '11-'12 last season according to ESPN he averaged 29.2 mins and 10.6 points and 5.9 rebounds per game.

That is a decent contributor.

Aaron Fuller Stats, News, Videos, Highlights, Pictures, Bio - USC Trojans - ESPN

You would have considered Melshan Basabe a big contributor last season correct?

Well Mel had 20.1 mins, 8.2 points, 4.8 rebounds per game last season.

Melsahn Basabe Stats, News, Videos, Highlights, Pictures, Bio - Iowa Hawkeyes - ESPN
 
dave3912 said:
Spank, he transferred so he didn't play in the '10-11 season but when he returned to the court in '11-'12 last season according to ESPN he averaged 29.2 mins and 10.6 points and 5.9 rebounds per game.

That is a decent contributor.

Aaron Fuller Stats, News, Videos, Highlights, Pictures, Bio - USC Trojans - ESPN

You would have considered Melshan Basabe a big contributor last season correct?

Well Mel had 20.1 mins, 8.2 points, 4.8 rebounds per game last season.

Melsahn Basabe Stats, News, Videos, Highlights, Pictures, Bio - Iowa Hawkeyes - ESPN
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Consider. Present tense. As in: now.
 
Hawkeye11en1 said:
Consider. Present tense. As in: now.
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No one knows why he isn't playing much NOW. But he was a big contributor when he got there. Spanks stats imply that he transferred and didn't do squat, well that isn't true.

Maybe he was injuried in the offseason and they are bringing him back slowly, who knows.
 
dave3912 said:
No one knows why he isn't playing much NOW. But he was a big contributor when he got there. Spanks stats imply that he transferred and didn't do squat, well that isn't true.

Maybe he was injuried in the offseason and they are bringing him back slowly, who knows.
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Well they have played 12 games and he has played roughly the same minutes all year and scored the same all year.

Spank never said he wasn't a contributor last year. But this year, on a bad USC team, is not a solid contributor.
 
dave3912 said:
No one knows why he isn't playing much NOW. But he was a big contributor when he got there. Spanks stats imply that he transferred and didn't do squat, well that isn't true.

Maybe he was injuried in the offseason and they are bringing him back slowly, who knows.
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He was injured in January last year and missed the last 2 months of the season. I would assume he may still have come lingering affects from that injury.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jan/20/sports/la-sp-usc-basketball-20120121
 
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Hawkeye11en1 said:
Well they have played 12 games and he has played roughly the same minutes all year and scored the same all year.

Spank never said he wasn't a contributor last year. But this year, on a bad USC team, is not a solid contributor.
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I didn't say he was a solid contributor THIS YEAR. But that isn't the argument, the argument was past players who transferred during the lickliter/alford years never were solid contributors in a major conference, EVER.

With that said because you clearly didn't read any of the previous posts to know what the conversation was about. How many past Alford or Lickliter players would still be around to be a solid contributor now?

You are completely missing the point.
 
sportstalent said:
What player that transferred out during the Alford/Lickliter days actually became a real contributor at the Major college level?
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Major College Level (assuming the Big Six conferences in basketball):
Tyler Smith - transferred to Tennessee and was a huge part of their team.
Jon Buetjer - transferred to Illinois and played the foosball there.
Nick Dewitz - transferred to Oregon State and played well for them.
Aaron Fuller - transferred to USC and has been a very good role player.
Jeff Peterson - transferred to Arkansas and then to Florida State, was better at Iowa

Others:
Marcellus Sommerville - transferred to Bradley and was an all-conf type player.
Cortney Scott - transferred to Oakland and was terrific for them.
Sean Sonderleiter - quit basketball
Ben Rand - transferred to Northern Illinois, started in 1/2 of the games.
Carlton Reed - transferred to UNI, didn't do much there.
Alex Thompson - transferred to ISU, did little to nothing there just as he did at Iowa.
Tony Freeman - transferred to SIU, pretty productive there.
Josh Crawford - transferred to Indiana State, marginal player.
Jake Kelly - transferred to Indiana State, big role for that team.
David Palmer - transferred to Northern Kentucky, best player on their team
Jermain Davis - transferred to Minnesota State - Mankato
Anthony Tucker - transferred to Winona and then to Minnesota State - Mankato, playing well
Brennan Cougill - transferred to Wisc-Green Bay, having a good senior year
Nick Neari - transferred to UW-Parkside
Cully Payne - transferred to Loyola
John Lickliter - transferred to Marian, quit basketball


Those are the guys I can think of off the top of my head. I think I am missing some, though
So, I'd agree with sportstalent, not many people left Iowa and went big time. Tyler Smith is about the only candidate.
This says two things - the players wanted to be bigger fish in smaller ponds or Iowa didn't recruit well.... a little bit of both. Also, coaching changes had some affect.
 
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