MJ is LeBron's *****.

[theboat]

Ray Allen, Shane Battier, Mike Miller, Udonis Haslem and Rashard Lewis say Hi! LOL

Exactly my point. Thank you. This team is the same, with Bosh instead of a slow Shaq.

 

[bws258]

[h=4]Average 30 pts and 60 FG Pct Over 6 Games
LeBron James vs Michael Jordan[/h]

	James	Jordan
Month	Feb. 2013	Nov. 1988
PPG	30.8	38.2
FG pct	71.7	63.8
RPG	6.7	8.0
APG	6.5	5.5
Team W-L	6-0	4-2
>> Source Elias Sports Bureau

 

[DP5555]

Let's forget the number of trophies argument for a second and look at it from a different perspective....

Who would win one on one? I know the results in big games matter in this discussion. I'm just trying to look at it from a different point of view. IMO Lebron would probably win 6/10 or 7/10 matches. He's just too big and too skilled. Would be a difficult match-up for MJ all over the court. MJ didn't play anyone like Lebron during his career so it's difficult to assess.

 

[pumpdog20]

I was 15-20 when MJ was in his prime. Maybe you are too old and senile to comprehend what you are seeing now.

Well, you're older than me, so I guess you just suck.

 

[pumpdog20]

Let's forget the number of trophies argument for a second and look at it from a different perspective....

Who would win one on one? I know the results in big games matter in this discussion. I'm just trying to look at it from a different point of view. IMO Lebron would probably win 6/10 or 7/10 matches. He's just too big and too skilled. Would be a difficult match-up for MJ all over the court. MJ didn't play anyone like Lebron during his career so it's difficult to assess.

Too skilled for MJ? You're nuts. MJ was the elite on ball defender of his generation, sure The Glove got more steals, but Jordan also had to concentrate on scoring. The defense would cancel each other out; the difference maker is Jordan's fadeaway.

Game over, MJ haters lose, get over it.

 

[DP5555]

Too skilled for MJ? You're nuts. MJ was the elite on ball defender of his generation, sure The Glove got more steals, but Jordan also had to concentrate on scoring. The defense would cancel each other out; the difference maker is Jordan's fadeaway.

Game over, MJ haters lose, get over it.

Oh ok because you said so? My bad. I forgot you are the guru who knows everything.

Who did MJ play that realistically emulates what Lebron brings to the bball court? The answer is no one. Which means there is no way you can make a statement as definitive as the one you made.

 

[dave3912]

I think the final decision is who has the most money right now. Screw stats from playing, it's all about the dolla, dolla bills ya'll.

But seriously, no matter what LBJ does in the rest of his career, MJ is the best in my mind.

 

[hawkinaclownhouse]

At 28 years of age

Michael Jordan -- One NBA Championship, 2 MVPs, 1 Olympic Gold Medal
Lebron James -- One NBA Championship, 3 MVPs, 1 Olympic Gold Medal

Through the same number of NBA Games

Michael Jordan -- 3 NBA Finals, 3 Championships, 4 MVPs
Lebron -- 3 NBA Finals, 1 Championship, 3 MVPs

The next 5-6 years will determine whether there is a discussion on greatest ever. Lebron needs a couple more MVPs and at least 3 championships in the next 6 years to continue to be compared to Jordan

 

[bws258]

Too skilled for MJ? You're nuts. MJ was the elite on ball defender of his generation, sure The Glove got more steals, but Jordan also had to concentrate on scoring. The defense would cancel each other out; the difference maker is Jordan's fadeaway.

Game over, MJ haters lose, get over it.

True ... no one could stop that move, not LeBron, nobody. Once he developed that shot, it's game over in any 1-on-1 scenario. James would score some on MJ, for sure, but MJ would steal the ball from James a couple times and that'd be it ... assuming we are playing by standard make-it-take-it rules

BTW, are we allowing hand-checking or not? ... a big difference in the eras is the hand-check rule

 

[thejumper5]

I think the final decision is who has the most money right now. Screw stats from playing, it's all about the dolla, dolla bills ya'll.

But seriously, no matter what LBJ does in the rest of his career, MJ is the best in my mind.

And this is exactly why any MJ vs. (fill in the blank) argument always ends up fruitless. There have been and continue to be far too many people with the attitude of, "MJ is the best. No matter what anyone does, no one will ever be better than MJ was." It makes the whole argument a non-starter because it's impossible to have a rational discussion of the issue.

 

[thejumper5]

Too skilled for MJ? You're nuts. MJ was the elite on ball defender of his generation, sure The Glove got more steals, but Jordan also had to concentrate on scoring. The defense would cancel each other out; the difference maker is Jordan's fadeaway.

Game over, MJ haters lose, get over it.

Jordan didn't really develop that fade away until his second three-peat run, at which point he had lost a little bit of quickness. It seems if you want to compare Jordan to LeBron at the height of their one-on-one ability, you get either Jordan's unstoppable quickness or his unstoppable fade away, but you can't have both.

 

[DuffMan]

[h=4]Average 30 pts and 60 FG Pct Over 6 Games
LeBron James vs Michael Jordan[/h]

	James	Jordan
Month	Feb. 2013	Nov. 1988
PPG	30.8	38.2
FG pct	71.7	63.8
RPG	6.7	8.0
APG	6.5	5.5
Team W-L	6-0	4-2
>> Source Elias Sports Bureau

Very cool thanks for posting. I'd still have to give the edge to LBJ though based on greater efficiency and superior team record.

 

[bws258]

Very cool thanks for posting. I'd still have to give the edge to LBJ though based on greater efficiency and superior team record.

note that was Pippen's second year, and in the first couple weeks of the season

 

[bws258]

I know BleacherReport sucks, but I offer this ...

Michael Jordan: Could He Really Score 50 with the Hand-Check Rule in Place? | Bleacher Report

(if you don't want to read it, just look at the charts)

 

[DuffMan]

Let's forget the number of trophies argument for a second and look at it from a different perspective....

Who would win one on one? I know the results in big games matter in this discussion. I'm just trying to look at it from a different point of view. IMO Lebron would probably win 6/10 or 7/10 matches. He's just too big and too skilled. Would be a difficult match-up for MJ all over the court. MJ didn't play anyone like Lebron during his career so it's difficult to assess.

Actually he did play someone like him during his career, that is if you were to somehow combine the quickness of Isiah Thomas, the leaping ability of Dominique Wilkins, the court vision and floor game of magic Johnson, and the size and strength of Karl Malone all into 1 person.

 

[DuffMan]

True ... no one could stop that move, not LeBron, nobody. Once he developed that shot, it's game over in any 1-on-1 scenario. James would score some on MJ, for sure, but MJ would steal the ball from James a couple times and that'd be it ... assuming we are playing by standard make-it-take-it rules

BTW, are we allowing hand-checking or not? ... a big difference in the eras is the hand-check rule

Good point, if hand checking were allowed it would be a huge benefit to LeBron.

 

[DuffMan]

Game 6, 2009 playoffs, against Orlando. Lebron proved he could score at will. He could. He then passed it on every possession in the 4th. Stats don't mean everything. I know he can score all game, but he didn't. He scored 4 pts in the 4th quarter, with 3 of those being in a meaningless final minute in which they were down 15.

See how easy it is to NOT make up something?

DERP. You lose.

Never once did I say he wasn't dominating. He is. He is the best player I have ever seen. But mentally, he has lacked. He is showing it is getting better, but it wasn't there before. Jordan was a different person all together. He was borderline insane.

I'm glad you posted this. People who make this argument demonstrate they have the Basketball IQ of salad dressing. There can never be made an intelligent argument for taking a forced bad shot over passing to a wide open teammate, especially in the NBA. Doing so isn't an indication of cowardice. People happily overlook the fact that MJ frequently passed to open teammates (or deferred) when the game was on the line. The only difference is that Steve Kerr and John Paxon frequently MADE their shots, as opposed to Mo Williams and Wally Sczcerbiak who didn't. For every one MJ over Ehli or Russle there is one Paxon or Kerr for 3. That doesn't diminish Jordan as a player, nor does finding a wide open player in the fourth Q diminish LBJ.

 

[DuffMan]

I think you are confusing the most athletic person as being the best athlete.

I understand how you can confuse the two.......On behalf of the following, I will accept your apology:

Bo Jackson
Deon Sanders

Other good professionals that played at the D1 level in another sport
Todd Helton
Kenny Lofton
Julius Peppers
Tony Gonzalez
Jackie Robinson

Other 2 sport athletes
Jim Brown
Jim Thorpe
Danny Ainge
Wilt Chamberlain
Bobby Hayes ('64 gold medal winner and Cowboys receiver)
Herschel Walker

There aren't but three people in your whole list that are on the same planet as LBJ.

 

[DuffMan]

I think the final decision is who has the most money right now. Screw stats from playing, it's all about the dolla, dolla bills ya'll.

But seriously, no matter what LBJ does in the rest of his career, MJ is the best in my mind.

thanks for perfectly summing up the argument for so many MJ fans. "My mind is made up, and nothing Ill ever see will change it.

 

[DuffMan]

Look mouth breathers, I'm happy to admit that MJ had a better career than LBJ has had so far. There's no argument that can be made contrary and I'm not trying to say otherwise. That said LBJ right now is the best basketball player to ever walk the face of the earth, and again it ain't really that close. LBJ at 28 is a much better ball player than Jordan was at 28.