Miller vs DiNardo on Twitter

what is considered 'south'? southern california - is that south? or when were are talking south, are we talking SEC south?

not only is california 'loaded with talent', i believe it is the #1 state for football talent. (it is, at least, if you look at the number of NFL players who came from CA - CA is #1 in that category.
 
There have been some great points made in this thread.

But you want recruiting to level a bit? Try a playoff system that encompasses the entire landscape of college football. Give every coach, every team a chance to compete at the highest level. That is the difference in recruiting in my opinion. Most coaches only get to pitch a conference title, or chance at bowl game in Las Vegas. Only handful can say with conviction, 'we'll get a chance to play for it all'. This won't eliminate all the recruiting advantages, but I believe it would have a big impact. And hey, what a concept. A sport with a regular season and playoffs. I've never seen that before. I wonder if it would work.
 
Hmmm. I will go. I live west or there abouts. #1 win. #2 play noncons against areas you wish to recruit. Sorry but i dont think so
Miss got us any recruits out of miss. #3 keep up with facilities. #4 any good player wants to go pro so you simply ask if they are going to say no if green bay takes them first round.
 
On that note, check out the difference between the home-to-college move of 2-star vs. 5-star recruits. Those 5-stars with their choice of destination head (or, more accurately, stay) south:

StarsAverage DistanceAverage Move N/SAverage Move E/W
★★299 miles180 miles N78 miles W
★★★255 miles134 miles N13 miles E
★★★★234 miles50 miles N25 miles E
★★★★★260 miles39 miles S72 miles E

Distance Cedar-Falls IA Tuscaloosa AL
 
Gerry posted that he felt allowing official visits in the summer would help out an Iowa and also that Iowa should invest more in recruiting personnel. He was also talking about Big Ten programs needing to keep up...I am speaking mostly generalities here as I can't get on and post the actual tweet this ten seconds.

I don't care how much the Big Ten spends, it won't matter. Population trends are not in their favor...football can be close to year round in the south. The culture that worships football in the south does not exist in the north...athletic departments offer fewer opportunities for scholarships in other sports in the south than they do in the Big Ten...do we want those to go away so those funds can divert to football? Even then, its still not about money.

Schools like Iowa (and everyone not named Michigan or Ohio State in the B1G) are not going to go into Florida, Georgia, Alabama, South Carolina, Texas, etc and pull four and five star kids..they are going to get the kids who are either undersized with motors, or kids who are academic risks...the haves get to cherry pick...those who aren't, they get the leftovers.

For most programs up north (and most everywhere not in the SEC) it's about having to identify and then develop talent...South Carolina doesn't have the history that Iowa has over the past 30 years but it recruits at a higher level and gets athletes Iowa doesn't get. It's geography and demographics.

to just wish something is gonna change, or 'demand change', is a fruitless pursuit. There is a deck, and it's stacked against most of the schools north of the Mason-Dixon line right now.

Thankfully, there are still a lot of eyeballs in Big Ten country, they will still get good bowl game dance partners, the BTN will still fund the athletic departments and nine conference games might actually be better than eight, so they can keep playing one another and not schools outside the league as often. Basically the Big Ten goes Amish

Jon, I think you're conflating two separate points.

1) The Big Ten has an inherent geographic and demographic disadvantage. True.
2) Given that fact, is the Big Ten doing everything possible to maximize their recruiting and competitiveness? DiNardo says no. I agree. You imply it's not even possible to improve.

Obviously, the rules changes and investments Gerry mention don't change geography, but it's silly to maintain they couldn't help. Within the conference itself, Iowa's financial investment in recruiting is a fraction of OSU and Michigan's. NCAA harmonization across conferences of rules like oversigning (mentioned above) and entrance requirements (so the Big Ten isn't tougher than its competitors) would also help level the playing field, and ought to be lobbied aggressively by Delany. Maybe that's happening.
 
Jon, I think you're conflating two separate points.

1) The Big Ten has an inherent geographic and demographic disadvantage. True.
2) Given that fact, is the Big Ten doing everything possible to maximize their recruiting and competitiveness? DiNardo says no. I agree. You imply it's not even possible to improve.

Obviously, the rules changes and investments Gerry mention don't change geography, but it's silly to maintain they couldn't help. Within the conference itself, Iowa's financial investment in recruiting is a fraction of OSU and Michigan's. NCAA harmonization across conferences of rules like oversigning (mentioned above) and entrance requirements (so the Big Ten isn't tougher than its competitors) would also help level the playing field, and ought to be lobbied aggressively by Delany. Maybe that's happening.

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Jon, I think you're conflating two separate points.

1) The Big Ten has an inherent geographic and demographic disadvantage. True.
2) Given that fact, is the Big Ten doing everything possible to maximize their recruiting and competitiveness? DiNardo says no. I agree. You imply it's not even possible to improve.

Obviously, the rules changes and investments Gerry mention don't change geography, but it's silly to maintain they couldn't help. Within the conference itself, Iowa's financial investment in recruiting is a fraction of OSU and Michigan's. NCAA harmonization across conferences of rules like oversigning (mentioned above) and entrance requirements (so the Big Ten isn't tougher than its competitors) would also help level the playing field, and ought to be lobbied aggressively by Delany. Maybe that's happening.

I flat out guarantee you that I was not intentionally conflating, because I don't know what that means.

As for the things you bring up, I don't think the NCAA is going to harmonize things...I think they've been down that road. Perhaps the Big Ten will want to go play by a different playbook (meaning theirs, not them coming to the B1G's way of things). We'll see, but those are not things Iowa can control.

As for Iowa having fractions of budgets of Ohio State and Michigan....OSU generates nearly 50% more revenue per year than does Iowa (athletics). We aren't talking apples to apples with any of this.
 
I flat out guarantee you that I was not intentionally conflating, because I don't know what that means.
Who knew an engineering grad would stymie a communications grad on word use? :p
con·flate
verb
gerund or present participle: conflating
1. combine (two or more texts, ideas, etc.) into one.

As for the things you bring up, I don't think the NCAA is going to harmonize things...I think they've been down that road. Perhaps the Big Ten will want to go play by a different playbook (meaning theirs, not them coming to the B1G's way of things). We'll see, but those are not things Iowa can control.

The NCAA rulebook has hundreds of recruiting rules that apply to all conferences. They regulate texting, recruiting services, scholarship limits, autographs, etc. etc., but won't go "down that road" on making oversigning rules consistent? Why not? And the NCAA admissions requirements - which also apply across conferences - are already getting much tougher (NCAA increases minimum eligibility standards for Division I student-athletes - ESPN).

As for Iowa having fractions of budgets of Ohio State and Michigan....OSU generates nearly 50% more revenue per year than does Iowa (athletics). We aren't talking apples to apples with any of this.

So is your point that a) their additional spending doesn't benefit them or b) it's impossible for Iowa to raise more money than they already do? The latter is certainly not true. Iowa's marketing, PR and digital operations have... how can I put this politely?... ample scope for improvement.

http://www.iowahawkeyefootballrecruits.com/website/
 
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