Joshbrown
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Wisky and MSU are better programs than us right now. Did they have to offer a 48 million $$$$ contract to get there?
Then why do we? And how did they leapfrog us?
Miller in full apologist mode on Twitter right now
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Wisky and MSU are better programs than us right now. Did they have to offer a 48 million $$$$ contract to get there?
Then why do we? And how did they leapfrog us?
You are correct, we should never strive to be consistently better than teams that have historically been our peers but now have become consistently better than us. That's the Iowa mentality. It's a loser, whoa is me, mentality.
HawkeyeWalker
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I thought you knew why...cause of Ferments. and Barta. We need to get where MSU is!
HawkeyeDenis
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It's like a drama that started with some expected highlights, then left you speechless in the middle and then ended with a resounding finish you never saw coming. 20 wins in two years? I'll take it.
Thawki
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It shouldn't be that way? Why? They both have bigger recruiting bases in their home state? Their facilities and fan bases appear to be on a par with ours. They have both had excellent coaching in that time. Do we have some sort of divine right that says we should be better than them?
You say some would argue they have been better than us since 1999. I guess that means some would argue we have been better. And I said a timeframe that began with our coach coming to our school while you arbitrarily chose a time that would better make your argument. Since the question was who was best in the time our coach has been in his job, it only makes sense to use that time period and not a random one of your choosing.
I stand by the original statement I made that from 1999 to today, other than Michigan and OSU, we have had the best program during that window of time. As I also said, that doesn't mean there aren't issues, as most programs have them.but it does mean we are the third best program in that time in the conference behind two of the best programs in the history of college football.
earlkoppelman
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I AGREE WITH YOU.NOT MY TEAM.BORN IN IOWA ONLY.WILL ENJOY TEAM BUT NOT INVEST SO MUCH.STILL AS ALWAYS PROUD OF TOUGH HAWK PLAYERS.
earlkoppelman
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I
agree.but oh well.still try to fix texas situation.get a few noah fant players.ready to go.and they are out there.they are late BUYERS.IT CAN BE DONE.AND BLAST EM IN BOWL WIN.
Come to think of it, Barta is probably Latin for "boner."
I agree that 8 wins should be the minimum, on average.
Previous to this season, it was playing 4 tomato cans out of conference and going 4-4 in the conference.
Now, 8 wins is playing 3 tomato cans out of conference and going 5-4 in the conference.
It's not the 8 wins. It's not meeting preseason expectations.
When you're supposed to win more than 8 games, win more than 8.
I guess for every 2009 and 2015, there are 2006, 2010 and 2012 turds, as the offset.
lightning1
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They have ADs that will accept no less than BIG titles. So they go out and hire coaches that buy into that. That doesn't mean that they will win BIG titles every year. It does mean that you won't ever hear any self deprecating comments about their own program, from their coaches.
Could you imagine saying something like "we're just little old Wisconsin" with Alvarez standing behind you in the press conference? You better go home and touch up your resume if you do that.
What does a fan pointing out the obvious that there is nothing that says we "should be" a better program have anything to do with striving to be better? You can't just pick out the two random schools (out of the dozens that are normally our equal) that happen to be doing really well right now and say "we should be better.
Doing that tells me that you will always pick the school that is having up years at the time and say we should be better than them. By that logic we should always be better than every single school that is on our level, which means they aren't on our level. And if they aren't on our level, that means we are on the level of the elite programs. And if all those elite teams are on our level, then "there is no reason we shouldn't be better than them".
HawkGold
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Of course I am aware. There is nothing I can do about a smelly contract. My work in eastern Europe really opened my eyes to corruption. The contract smells like corruption. Doesn't make sense. Btw, they are ranked though.
Since the media in Iowa refused to dig into it, unless officials do it, then it won't be done. Officials aren't going to do it for obvious reasons.
Since I can't individually do much about it...nice end of the season.
homes
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8 wins is a 67% winning percentage. Of the top 100 coaches, all time, there are 9 active coaches who have a 67% winning percentage, or better.
No. 88 Kyle Whittingham - Utah
No. 86 Mike Gundy - OSU
No. 84 Brian Kelly - ND
No. 46 Bobby Petrino - Louisville
No. 39 Gary Patterson - TCU
No. 22 Nick Saban - Bama
No. 17 Bob Stoops - Oklahoma
No. 11 Chris Peterson - Washington
No. 3 Urban Meyer - tOSU
Just off the list - No. 105 Bill Snyder - KState
No. 106 Bret Bielema - Arkansas (his last 5 seasons, his win percentage is 52.3%, including his last year at Wisconsin where his team went 8-5)
If you include a bowl game in the 8 wins, then the winning percentage is 61.5%.
Ferentz is currently at No. 179 at 59.7%. His teams have won 8 games in 9 of his 18 years at Iowa.
There are 7 current coaches in Nos. 101-200.
I'm just reporting on facts. Draw your own conclusions.
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swanssy
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We're ranked again this week (barely)
Instead of base salary, it would be cool if coaches were paid a certain amount per win. I say we give Kirk $400,000 per win. I think every fan would be good with that.
ShockHawk22
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With how hard Jon has back pedaled from the 2014 podcast and how apologetic he has been about it, I feel like someone might have hinted to him that if he wants his reporters to be able to talk to recruits/players/coaches, be allowed in press conferences, have his coaches appear or call into shows, or get any sort of peak inside Fort Kinnick, calling out KF will NEVER happen again.
I am pry wrong, hell I am almost positive I am wrong. But that's the way it feels
I am pry wrong, hell I am almost positive I am wrong. But that's the way it feels
I think he is just over reacting the other direction is all. Things probably weren't as bad as they seemed a couple years ago and now they probably aren't as good as they seem.
--------It shouldn't be that way? Why? They both have bigger recruiting bases in their home state? Their facilities and fan bases appear to be on a par with ours. They have both had excellent coaching in that time. Do we have some sort of divine right that says we should be better than them?
I have a question, what exactly are both Colorado and Utah's recruiting bases?
I have a question, what exactly are both Colorado and Utah's recruiting bases?
Joshbrown
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Nebraska averaged 9 wins for decades, was their state loaded with talent? The defeatist attitude makes me puke.
In 1776 a rebel colony with an army consisting of farmers rather than trained soldiers took on the world's lone superpower . . . and won! For you people always looking for an excuse to fail, please leave the Hawkeye fan base, and the USA.
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