Miller: Beathard's Go All In
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Eda
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Minor point... CJB wasn't exactly on target with all of his throws that game. Several were behind the receivers or late (especially the pick 6).
Without a doubt, CJB has a stronger arm (especially in the long ball). The reason he has a strong arm is not the reason he is not starting
seepig
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Actually on this particular situation the coaches bear 50% of the blame. I wish every COACHING position was open for competition. Right Kirk....doesn't that make everyone better? Oh wait you basically were given a lifetime contract without having to perform! How's that working out?
Eda
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Strawman? Not really. Your comments specifically said JR put us into that position and his play through the game is what led to us being behind.
There were many things that led to us to being in that position.
Eda
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I've watched plenty of football. Thank you. Tell me how a change at quarterback will help the defense make a stop. Tell me how to change of quarterback will make the line block better? Tell me how a change of quarterback made any difference against minny.
Again… I apologize for "being difficult" or "obtuse".
It won't help those be better. It will help make up for those though. 4 of our loses came down to making a couple more plays. The plays were there to make and Rudock missed them. Sure other positions on the field could have made the plays too, but who do we put in to replace them? We have a very good option at QB, we don't at other backup positions. If Weigers was our primary backup, the complaining about the QB position would blend in with every other complaint instead of being at the forefront.
CJB does make the opposing defense play differently. It's hard to run block against 8 or 9 man fronts. Look at the difference in the Pitt game. Look at how they were forced to play because they knew the guy under center would throw it down field more. It opens everything up. With JR in there, we were playing in a phone booth.
When CJB played there was a difference in the offense. That is not up for debate. You could argue that we wouldn't have won any more games. While I disagree, you are entitled to your opinion. But if we are going to go 7-5 no matter who the quarterback is, why not go with the guy who has more physical ability and more time to play and learn?
We need a lot of stuff, QB is on the list, up there pretty high, but below an upgrade at HC and OC. It would make a difference though. Watch the NFL lately? See Arizona Cardinals, see Patriots, see the Pack, see KC? QB can make a huge impact, suddenly the team is great or sucks. We need some more good decisions within the program and less bad ones. Shift this a few decisions here and there and we could easily be sitting on a 9-3 season right now.
I am going to be very sad if we lose our best QB, as next year is starting to build up as a close repeat of this year, likely worse, with the ugliest schedule I've ever seen. I gotta get a back up plan for Hawk football!
I am going to be very sad if we lose our best QB, as next year is starting to build up as a close repeat of this year, likely worse, with the ugliest schedule I've ever seen. I gotta get a back up plan for Hawk football!
Eda
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First to the bolded part: Thanks man. Often on here it seems as though if someone has a different opinion than yours, you automatically know nothing of football. I enjoy the back-and-forth with several on here... Sometime ().
As for his passes, agreed some were on target. I do recall some being behind receivers. One specifically, the TE bailed him out and still made the catch. I'd have to rewatch the game to be sure (since I have them all on DvR, I will be doing that during the offseason-several times)
I don't want to put words in your mouth but I think you are saying that CJB is not the savior that some of us make him out to be. And if that's what you are saying, fair point. And Jake is a great kid who has done a lot of the program is something that also needs to be said. In my opinion, CJ has more talent and was just as effective in limited action has Jake. He hasn't played as much, so there would be some ups and downs with him, but in the long run playing CJB would have done the program more harm than good.
Eda
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Both quarterbacks were throwing it down field. That was obviously part of the game plan. There was no playing in the phone booth. In fact, JR had a big completion to Vandy that set up the first TD. Also, he tossed a long ball to DP that Powell flicked to the defender for the INT.
Ask yourself this, and give an honest answer… If JR completes that pass to Powell and CJ misses his ball to Powell would the rhetoric from that game be the same?
One more fun little game here (since we have time to kill before the bowl game, right-lol)... If you switch Powell's completion from CJ's to JR's the yardage and yards per pass are nearly identical.
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DDThompson
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Ifs and buts and squirrels' nuts.
Everything you are saying is true, BUT, look at how the defense is playing against both quarterbacks. If you still have it on DVR look at the press coverage, load the box mentality that PITT had when JR was in the game vs. when CJB was in. They knew that CJB was a bigger threat to throw the ball down the field. I don't remember, but I believe there was at least one big PI penalty because CJ threw it down the field. He has a stronger arm; throws a better deep ball. Listen to former quarterbacks if you won't believe some random dude on a message board. I'm not making it up. The bottom line is, we were getting our butt handed to us when JR was the QB, and we won the game with CJB as the QB. That's all that matters. The team had more life. We lost to one of the worst teams in the country with JR, and squeezed out a victory against another really bad opponent. We looked bad again during the first half of Purdue, but pulled away and won that game easily as well. We should have let CJ play until we lost a game with him. The one advantage JR has is experience. CJB should have had the opportunity to close that gap this year.
I think i see where you are coming from here and am glad to see this is not just a trolling attempt.
I think the difference in our thought process is that you seem to compartmentalize the positions as though they do not have any significant bearing on the other. An upgrade at QB would, in theory, turn our several 3-and-outs into more sustained drives thus not even giving our defence the option of not being up-to-snuff as they are sitting on their heinies. Same w/ the kickers. I too think there are general upgrades that could be made and this could be said for every team ever but the issue here is that we have a now known commodity that is stuck in pergatory cause KF is gutless and unwilling to adapt. What's more infuriating is that "people who won't know as much about football as KF has in his little finger" are easily picking out that we are playing the personel.
lightning1
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Then I am not recalling the game correctly. Maybe it was the week after the PUR game. I'm certainly not the only poster remembering this instance. I concede my memory isn't correct but I am in no way making it up.
Edit: Found it. It was a Marc Morehouse tweet before the Indiana game. This was after KF claimed both QBs would play and that the competition was open in his tues presser.
https://twitter.com/marcmorehouse/status/519544410950742016
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