Mandel calls KF One of Five Worst

[HomerChampless]

I would judge on how good of a coach somebody is by how many wins they get with what they have. I dont know any other way to compare all the D1 coaches.

Now there are things you could look at and take wins out of the picture and say KF runs a good program. However running a good program does not mean he is a good or even average coach.

Agreeing with you.

 

[HomerChampless]

I dont recall a time that KF ever called an offensive or defensive play.

Correct me if I am wrong though.

You don't have to hear KF call a majority of offensive plays to infer KF is in control of Iowa's offensive game plan, any more than you have to see electromagnetic waves to infer that electromagnetic waves are all around us.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

Im friendly to most people but I dont know who that is. Homer correct me if Im wrong but arent we in agreement?

<<(B)ut I don't know who that is.>>

Seriously?!

 

[Hawkfnntn]

Based off Mandels own logic where does Mack Brown come in at? And what's the deal with Petrino being on it as one of the best? The guy can't keep a job for 3 yrs in a row for crying out loud. I know he had that short stint in the pros but when was the last time he saw seniors graduate that he recruited? Just a weird list top to bottom. There's no making any sense of it. But since it's July what better things do we have to do besides watch baseball

 

[HawkeyeDenis]

My argument is not whether KF is a good coach or not. It's bad writing with a very shaky premise. Really one of 5 worst coaches among 120 in Division one? Because of his paycheck? If Mandel thinks KF is bad he should do some real research to back up his hypothesis.

 

[homes]

I'd like to thank Mr. Mandel. I was thinking recently how quiet things have been in Iowa City this summer, no moped incidents, no guys running through the streets half naked, no guys forgetting to pay for a pair of sneakers, or whatever else constitutes as news about the football program in the off season. I was perversely hoping for something to occur this summer to spur some discussion about Iowa football. And along comes Stewie - he gives us something to perserverate on, but without the direct negative impact on the program.

I'm taking this as a sign of good things to come this fall.

 

[dave3912]

It comes down to more wins and less losses... duh.

Your post did not imply that you were leaning towards more wins over NFL draft picks.

Take that duh and shove it.

 

[HawkeyeMHA]

Well duh, Howie Mandel knows nothing about the fooseball

 

[tubahawk]

I'd like to thank Mr. Mandel. I was thinking recently how quiet things have been in Iowa City this summer, no moped incidents, no guys running through the streets half naked, no guys forgetting to pay for a pair of sneakers, or whatever else constitutes as news about the football program in the off season. I was perversely hoping for something to occur this summer to spur some discussion about Iowa football. And along comes Stewie - he gives us something to perserverate on, but without the direct negative impact on the program.

I'm taking this as a sign of good things to come this fall.

You haven't been keeping up with the news.

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[Sums]

Those who think KF is one of the bottom 5 coaches in the country are you then saying that having Tulane's Coach or Akron's coach or even Wake Forests coach would be an improvement over KF? I Wouldn't take any of those coaches.

 

[nationalchamps]

Oh Stewie...

 

[hwk23]

I agree.

Strategically and schematically he is about as bad as it gets. Iowas offense just looks more sloppy, confused, disorganized, unimaginative and poorly conceived than just about anyone else you can find on a given saturday.

What keeps KF out of the worst coaches IMO is his ability to identify, evaluate and develop players, although it seems to work in reverse for QBs too often. Ive said it allot of times, no one that Iowa can realistically get will bring in more talent than KF, even though he does it in a different way.

The catch 22 is that there are few that could do less with it on the field.

KF has been getting by on excellent player development since he has been here. Squeaking out close wins, and too often losses, against teams that should have never been close.

When the talent advantage is not there its not pretty. The blunders turn into losses instead of close wins. Western/Central Michigans happen, at home. No coach should be able to take big ten players and lose those games.

Hopefully GD can help reverse this trend with QBs. If our QBs would just improve every year it would solve a lot of problems. Maybe KF needs to give GD the keys to this aspect of the offense at least, if he hasn't already. I don't think this was ever a problem at Texas because VY and CM both played in the NC their SR years. GD's last year at Texas was also the first year Gilbert started and it was just 1 bad offensive season (Gilbert's 2010 was almost as bad as JVB's 2012).

 

[Section136]

Hopefully GD can help reverse this trend with QBs. If our QBs would just improve every year it would solve a lot of problems. Maybe KF needs to give GD the keys to this aspect of the offense at least, if he hasn't already. I don't think this was ever a problem at Texas because VY and CM both played in the NC their SR years. GD's last year at Texas was also the first year Gilbert started and it was just 1 bad offensive season (Gilbert had almost as bad of year in 2010 as JVB did in 2012).

How dont Iowa's QBs improve?

SR Stanzi was better than JR Stanzi.

JR Tate was better than SO Tate. Senior year he was injured.

SR Banks was better than JR Banks.

JC was awful in 2007 and he wasnt that good in 2006 filling in for Tate.

Chandler only played in blowouts in 2002 and was decent in 2003. Cant really lean one way or the other on him because of the situations he played in during the 2002 season.

 

[hwk23]

How dont Iowa's QBs improve?

SR Stanzi was better than JR Stanzi.

JR Tate was better than SO Tate. Senior year he was injured.

SR Banks was better than JR Banks.

JC was awful in 2007 and he wasnt that good in 2006 filling in for Tate.

Chandler only played in blowouts in 2002 and was decent in 2003. Cant really lean one way or the other on him because of the situations he played in during the 2002 season.

I'm not sure Stanzi was better in 2010 he was just more likely to take a sack or throw the ball out of bounce, thus padding his stats. He was more conservative in 2010.

Banks, Chandler, Tate and even Stanzi excelled their 1st years as starters with records of 11-2, 10-3, 10-3 and 9-4, respectively. Those are 4 of KFs best 5 seasons.

Stanzi's worst year record-wise was his SR year.

JVB's worst year was his SR year (anyway you look at it).

Certainly no improvement for JC at any point.

 

[CAARHawk]

I'm not sure Stanzi was better in 2010 he was just more likely to take a sack or throw the ball out of bounce, thus padding his stats. He was more conservative in 2010.

Banks, Chandler, Tate and even Stanzi excelled their 1st years as starters with records of 11-2, 10-3, 10-3 and 9-4, respectively. Those are 4 of KFs best 5 seasons.

Stanzi's worst year record-wise was his SR year.

JVB's worst year was his SR year (anyway you look at it).

Certainly no improvement for JC at any point.

I get so sick of people who talk about Stanzi's senior year as some sort of regression. He had a freaking fifth year walk on who got blown up for the whole second half of the season starting at guard. JF consistently gave up ground at center and after ARob got drummed, he had no one who could pick up extra pressure. Seriously, the fact that his stats didn't dive dramatically was impressive.

 

[kmurp]

I thought Banks and Chandler only started one year. Is the theory that they would have been worse if they had one more year?

 

[tubahawk]

How dont Iowa's QBs improve?

SR Stanzi was better than JR Stanzi.

JR Tate was better than SO Tate. Senior year he was injured.

SR Banks was better than JR Banks.

JC was awful in 2007 and he wasnt that good in 2006 filling in for Tate.

Chandler only played in blowouts in 2002 and was decent in 2003. Cant really lean one way or the other on him because of the situations he played in during the 2002 season.

QB development is not a strength of this program. With the exception of Stanzi, KOK did not do well with QB development. During KF's tenure the top three QB ratings were;

Kyle McCann in 2001 (Rating of 148.5)
Brand Banks in 2002 (Rating of 157.1)
Ricky Stanzi in 2010 (Rating of 157.6)

McCann spent two years under Chuck Long as QB coach before KOK took over, Banks spent two years under someone else before transferring to Iowa.

QB Rating by year;

2004 - 134.7 (Tate)
2005 - 146.4 (Tate)
2006 - 131.0 (Tate)
2007 - 116.9 (Christensen)
2008 - 117.2 (Christensen 134.8 (Stanzi)
2009 - 131.6 (Stanzi)
2010 - 157.6 (Stanzi)
2011 - 138.4 (JVB)
2012 - 107.7 (JVB)

Only Stanzi finished with the highest QB rating in his final year.

 

[DP5555]

QB development is not a strength of this program. With the exception of Stanzi, KOK did not do well with QB development. During KF's tenure the top three QB ratings were;

Kyle McCann in 2001 (Rating of 148.5)
Brand Banks in 2002 (Rating of 157.1)
Ricky Stanzi in 2010 (Rating of 157.6)

McCann spent two years under Chuck Long as QB coach before KOK took over, Banks spent two years under someone else before transferring to Iowa.

QB Rating by year;

2004 - 134.7 (Tate)
2005 - 146.4 (Tate)
2006 - 131.0 (Tate)
2007 - 116.9 (Christensen)
2008 - 117.2 (Christensen 134.8 (Stanzi)
2009 - 131.6 (Stanzi)
2010 - 157.6 (Stanzi)
2011 - 138.4 (JVB)
2012 - 107.7 (JVB)

Only Stanzi finished with the highest QB rating in his final year.

I would agree that QB progression has not been a strength, however I don't think it's fair to label it a weakness. There are way to many variables to this. You can't just point at how the QB played his senior year compared to when he was an underclassmen. Injuries happen and the overall talent around the QB changes with every year. Those two things alone can make a huge difference. It isn't fair to pin that on the coaching, or lack their of, that the QB is receiving.

 

[tubahawk]

That makes our average QB Rating around 131. On average a QB rating of 131.0 would place you around 60 of 120.

 

[OUTofTOWNHAWK]

Those who think KF is one of the bottom 5 coaches in the country are you then saying that having Tulane's Coach or Akron's coach or even Wake Forests coach would be an improvement over KF? I Wouldn't take any of those coaches.

How many NFL players do those schools produce? What are their records? What do those schools have for football programs? Take everything those coaches have and then see what they have for wins then we could decide whether they are better or worse coaches. However just picking school names because their not know for football and saying ohhhh they must have a crappy coach is not logic, its not any kind of example.

Does Northwestern, Central Michigan, Western Michigan, Minnesota, Indiana, Illinois, Purdue and ISU have better players, football programs, more to offer recruits, any kind of advantage at all over Iowa? Please give me a reason why KF should not be put on this list when he loses to these teams routinely? Iowa has so much more than these schools but when it comes to gameday KF cant get things handled. Its like some of you forget all this once the season ends and your Hawkeye fandom blocks this stuff from your heads.


If you want to go apples to apples let talk about some teams Iowa plays. Since people think they can just throw out a school across the country that doesnt play any of the same teams as Iowa and say well Iowa had a better record than dis team.