Section136
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1- KF didn't even become Iowa's coach until 1999.
2- I don't think we really care what a UNL fan thinks.
Mandel calls KF One of Five Worst
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1- KF didn't even become Iowa's coach until 1999.
2- I don't think we really care what a UNL fan thinks.
HomerChampless
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Wasn't aware of that. Could've there been another nat'l championship for PSU while JoePa was head coach if their O was more innovative - not like Iowa's O? You know, many Iowa fans say if only Iowa had more offense....
hawkdrummer1
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Of course, money drives the train. And 3 10-win seasons were a big boost to the program. No question. KFz deserves credit for that. But he didn't save a dying program. Fry's team faded at the end for reasons widely known (age and health) but the program was in fine shape financially...better than it had ever been.
Kinnick was expanded 3 times between 1983 and 1992, the "bubble" was built along with the current football HQ. Discussions were already in the works about whether to build a new stadium or refurb Kinnick before anybody in Iowa City ever heard of Brad Banks. And a quick check of the numbers tells you that Kinnick had plenty of butts in the seats...even when we sucked. (we outdrew ISU significantly when there were a bowl team and we stunk).
There's this guy named Jim Delaney that put a little money in our pocket too.
So, yes... Ferentz's early success had a big impact. No question. But it's not the only factor.
BUT...back to the OP. Is he one of the Top 5 worst coaches? of course not.
One of the Top 5 most underperforming... disappointing...or "quickly fading"? I think you could make a pretty good case for that.
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74Hunter
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Sorry, brainfart, meant mid 2000's, my bad.
Obviously, you do care what outsiders think, and those of us West of the Muddy Mo know a thing or two about football. Don't be butthurt, feel fortunate for what you have.
I understand what you are saying, and Im well aware of the fan support. I have been going to Kinnick since Ray Nagel was coach. But Im telling you its about money. Iowa wouldnt have paid him this kind of money just based on the wins he has. He is very good at helping the ADs raise money. In a era when there is more and more pressure for athletic depts to be self supporting. Its all about money. I agree he is not one of the five worst coaches. If he put the word out he wanted to leave his agents phone would be ringing off the hook
hawkdrummer1
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Fair enough.
So would the demand you refer to in the last line, be more based on his ability to be a good "face" for a program and help raise money? Cause now,he'd be a tough sell most places as a guy who could come in and give you a shot at 9-10 win seasons.
I think he's exceptional at most things except... coaching from the sideline. Ironic isn't it? Whatever happened to playing the game?
What outsiders think matters to the point of how national reputations matter when it comes to recruiting and hiring. That's it. When a single national writer like this writes a hack job article like that he had his intent behind that. It's to bring down Iowa and or big 10 with it for some reason and or so he can prop up other schools/conferences. It's the only thing that makes sense cause the basis of his reasoning is only on how much Ferentz makes. The rest of it is garbage if your comparing him to the rest. He's not a bottom 5 coach in the big 10 let alone the nation. Good grief.
HawkeyeMHA
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That's a dog crap article
OUTofTOWNHAWK
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What coaches is KF better than in the B1G?
I think a lot of places would take him for both as well as someoone who puts a good face on a school and graduates the kids. Thats hard to find someone who can do everything. I understand many on here disagree with me but I think Iowa is a tough place to build a consistant winner. He puts us in a position to win in most every game. Now if he could just get the clock management down. ( which he has been terrible at ) we might win a few more As for the money thing people dont get it that its not all about winning all thow that is a huge factor. Lick would never have been good at raising money no matter how much he won. Think about that
HawkeyeWalker
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Hunter, you see like a decent fellow...for a husker fan, and you don't seem to try to ruffle too many feathers. I am a Hawkeye fan living in Omaha.....your program, 2 of your last 3 coaching staffs, and your players know football and tradition....but if I have to hear one more husker fan infer that somehow they are "more knowledgeable" than any other fanbase...well.....ugh. Despite what the tv commentators state every d@mn time nebby plays in lincoln, the fanbase is no more knowledgeable than any other "football state" fanbase....they just are all zero'd in on one team. If I had a dollar for "Hardcore husker fan" that I see rocking their sweet blue Creighton gear come basketball season....I'd be hanging with Warren Buffet.
Not sayin it's you, as I said you seem to make fair points most of the time, but "from an outside perspective", husker fans are no less fanatically ignorant than anywhere else.
rant end....
Mandel's still trying to defend his article with another article (below). I like how even a Penn State fan said in the comments; "Indefensible to have Ferentz on five worst list. Just admit mistake, remove him and re-post. #credibility
-- Pete Young (@AllPSUFootball)"
Read More: Debating the best, worst college football coach rankings; Mailbag - College Football - Stewart Mandel - SI.com
-- Pete Young (@AllPSUFootball)"
Read More: Debating the best, worst college football coach rankings; Mailbag - College Football - Stewart Mandel - SI.com
OUTofTOWNHAWK
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Well if anyone on twitter or on here has reasons other than the past and insulting the writer Id love to hear them. All of this is making the fans of Iowa look like a bunch of butthurt crybabies. Personal attacks on the writer do nothing but make the attacker look bad. If he is one of the worst writers then state how so.
In my humble opinion I would put Ferentz above these guys in no particular order. The others have at least an argument of being above Ferentz these guys either just plain aren't as good or havn't been at it nearly long enough in Obriens case. Just my 2 cents
Beckman
Kill
Wilson
Hazel
Anderson
Dantonio
Obrien
deanvogs
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He is easily better than:
Gary Anderson 26-24 - at Utah St....please
Jerry Kill - High winning % at small schools, terrible at Minny so far
Darrell Hazell - one good year at kent st.
Kevin Wilson - no results so far, maybe he turns it around
Tim Beckman - 23-26 at toledo and Illinois
O'Brien - Jury still out, one good year means nothing
Kirk Ferentz .538%
Hoke .536%
Not saying he is better than Hoke, just saying he currently has a higher winning %, and isn't that what matters? Hoke was a below .500 coach at Ball St. and San Diego St. combined.
The only coaches that can even be argued that are better than KF are Dantonio, Fitz, Pelini, and Meyer. Higher winning % and doing it at major D1 schools and conferences.
Now go ahead and tell me that Kill is better cause he is 2-1 against KF, and completely ignore his overall performance in the BIG....or tell me that Bechman, Wilson, Hazell, Anderson are better.....can't wait to hear the blah, blah, blah....
hawkdrummer1
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Not sure you can compare him to Beckman and Kill, very differnt tenures. But how bout this.
This many years into his head coaching career Beckman has a better W-L than Kfz did at that point. He also has a better W-L record than KFz did this far into his Big Ten Tenure
Same is true for Kill.
Ok sure but that makes my point. If they can't be rated below Ferentz for that reason then they surely can't be rated higher for it either can they? Doesn't seem like a "fair" way to do it to me. Never the less when the Jury is out on them I can't put them above Ferentz that's just me
I am truly sorry that Mandel's foolish article has drawn 11 pages of posts on this message board. It may be even more sad that Out of Town has been responsible for no fewer than 24 of the posts on this topic. Although I have his messages blocked, since he ran out of original thoughts many moons ago, I would guess that most of the 24 messages are negative comments about KF. Right? His Tonto, or Freed, mercifully, only added 4 this time. Whew. Some of the other usual suspects joined right in with Mandel on the party. Thank you for your continued attention to redundancy!
So the point of yours is what exactly? You didn't like Mandel's article either but you hate that Iowa fans are using their time to discuss it? Isn't that pretty much the whole point of what these boards are about? This time of year there isn't a larger softball to be thrown as far as a discussion topic going on right now. I find it funny that people hate these type of deals yet can't resist reading and commenting about em. If you don't like it to that extent WHY ARE YOU SPENDING YOUR TIME DOING IT!??! Let those of us that choose to discuss it do it without your apathetic opinion on what is or isn't worthy of being a topic butting in. Please and thanks
NCHawker
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well, how do we rate a coach who's team allows C. Michigan to drive the field, score and recover an onside kick and score again.
or - in general a coach who can't field a team that can't get out of their own way and score an average number of points against a very easy schedule. How many points against ISU? Indiana? Purdue?
Delay of game while running no-huddle "hurry up".
not one of KF's Finest Moments.
or - in general a coach who can't field a team that can't get out of their own way and score an average number of points against a very easy schedule. How many points against ISU? Indiana? Purdue?
Delay of game while running no-huddle "hurry up".
not one of KF's Finest Moments.
