Mandel calls KF One of Five Worst

theboat said:
Complacency doesn't equal bad for me. I think it is common for people in any profession to work hard to get to a certain point and then lose track of what they did to get there. I am hoping 4-8 lights a fire to get back to where things were.
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I'm sure some complacency probably played a role, but I believe it has more to do with the fact the game has changed quite a bit since Kirk first got to Iowa. He's been complacent in assuming that his team would be just fine without making any adjustments to account for the way things have changed. It seems as if he's finally getting around to doing that. The question that remains to be answered is... is it too little too late?
 
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By this guys standard wouldn't Fry also be one of the worse coaches ever because of the 98 season? There is more to a career than 1 year. I wonder how he would like it if I wrote an article about the 5 worse sports writers in America and included him?
 
Hawknick said:
By this guys standard wouldn't Fry also be one of the worse coaches ever because of the 98 season? There is more to a career than 1 year. I wonder how he would like it if I wrote an article about the 5 worse sports writers in America and included him?
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Is this your first year watching Iowa football?

Also wasnt it you that picked Iowa to win 10 games this year? Didnt you also say Iowa would beat OSU this year?
 
Hawknick said:
By this guys standard wouldn't Fry also be one of the worse coaches ever because of the 98 season? There is more to a career than 1 year. I wonder how he would like it if I wrote an article about the 5 worse sports writers in America and included him?
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This isn't about one bad year. This is about a clear decline that began with the underperforming 2010 team. It's also about embarrassingly bad (as in everybody saw it) sideline coaching and unimaginative offense...from a guy who's among the highest paid in his profession.

Yeah, Fry had a bad 1998. The guy was also quietly battling prostate cancer behind the scenes and at the end of an unprecedented 20 year run that put IOWA football back on the map.

Comparison Fail.
 
I have been watching for a long time. I have also viewed all the games I could find going as far back as 92 years ago.
 
I think this generally points to the idea that we can pick on the coach if we want, but if some outsider wants to join the fray - then eff off, you no good ignoramus.
 
I mean easily one the worst big ten coaches. Easily one of the most under achieving coaches in the country. Not sure why this shocks people. Kf was just as lucky in the couple good years as he was "unlucky" people want to say he was last year. People are hoping for a bowl game that should tell you something
 
homes said:
I think this generally points to the idea that we can pick on the coach if we want, but if some outsider wants to join the fray - then eff off, you no good ignoramus.
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I think you're right. The guy tweeted this below so he must be hearing about it. Really I can't believe KF would be even closeto the bottom even after some mediocre/bad seasons. I wouldn't trade him for 120 other coaches that's for sure. Maybe 15 other coaches but not 120 or whatever.

"Stewart Mandel‏@slmandel5hKirk Ferentz's inclusion on today's worst coaches list drawing by far the most backlash. Iowa fans apparently OK w/ $3.6M/yr to go 4-8."
 
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Top 5 most overrated/overpaid? The last few years, yes.

One of the 5 worst college coaches working today? Not even close.
 
hwk23 said:
I think you're right. The guy tweeted this below so he must be hearing about it. Really I can't believe KF would be even closeto the bottom even after some mediocre/bad seasons. I wouldn't trade him for 120 other coaches that's for sure. Maybe 15 other coaches but not 120 or whatever.

"Stewart Mandel‏@slmandel5hKirk Ferentz's inclusion on today's worst coaches list drawing by far the most backlash. Iowa fans apparently OK w/ $3.6M/yr to go 4-8."
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Was compensation a part of his methodology? Did he rank coaches on wins per $1000 compensatrion or something? If that's his quote above it sounds childish. I heard that Petrino was on his list of best coaches so I'm certain that scruples were not included in his analysis.
 
kmurp said:
Was compensation a part of his methodology? Did he rank coaches on wins per $1000 compensatrion or something? If that's his quote above it sounds childish. I heard that Petrino was on his list of best coaches so I'm certain that scruples were not included in his analysis.
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His tweet comes off awful smug but no one is OK with 4-8 regardless of salary but Mandel is clearly missing the point. You cannot dismiss his entire career and call him a top 5 worst coach unless he states based on a specific time period and point to salary and what Iowa is getting in return in regards to wins. That is probably his point but he didn't specify that.
 
Even if kf isn't one of the five worst coaches is sure the hell is closer to one of the worst five then he is one of the top five.
 
Please say it aint so. Some of you are really reaching for any reason this shouldnt be true.

Money has nothing to do with it.

dumb

Bet he wasnt the worst ten years ago

Kirk has had a better career than these guys

yeah well you are the worst five sports writers so there
 
SI.com - Writers - Stewart Mandel: The 10 best coaches and the five worst - Wednesday June 28, 2006 3:35PM


My top 10 coaches heading into the 2006 season


1. Pete Carroll, USC: I find it pretty amusing that some people have chosen to blame Carroll -- specifically his ill-fated fourth-and-two call -- for the Rose Bowl loss to Texas. The guy won 34 straight games, people. I don't think he suddenly forgot how to coach with two minutes left in the Rose Bowl.
2. Bob Stoops, Oklahoma: Similarly, one disappointing 8-4 season in what we all knew going in was going to be a rebuilding situation does not override Stoops' 60-7 record and three national title appearances in the five years before that. If things don't get better this season, then maybe we'll talk.
3. Kirk Ferentz, Iowa: His teams continue to exhibit the hallmark of good coaching: They get better as the season goes on. With an entirely new D-line last year, the Hawkeyes gave up 314 rushing yards to Ohio State on Sept. 24. Seven weeks later they held Brian Calhoun and Wisconsin to 19.



THESE OFF-SEASON LISTS ARE SO WELL THOUGHT OUT AND RELEVANT TO EVERYTHING!
 
HawkAttack said:
SI.com - Writers - Stewart Mandel: The 10 best coaches and the five worst - Wednesday June 28, 2006 3:35PM


My top 10 coaches heading into the 2006 season


1. Pete Carroll, USC: I find it pretty amusing that some people have chosen to blame Carroll -- specifically his ill-fated fourth-and-two call -- for the Rose Bowl loss to Texas. The guy won 34 straight games, people. I don't think he suddenly forgot how to coach with two minutes left in the Rose Bowl.
2. Bob Stoops, Oklahoma: Similarly, one disappointing 8-4 season in what we all knew going in was going to be a rebuilding situation does not override Stoops' 60-7 record and three national title appearances in the five years before that. If things don't get better this season, then maybe we'll talk.
3. Kirk Ferentz, Iowa: His teams continue to exhibit the hallmark of good coaching: They get better as the season goes on. With an entirely new D-line last year, the Hawkeyes gave up 314 rushing yards to Ohio State on Sept. 24. Seven weeks later they held Brian Calhoun and Wisconsin to 19.



THESE OFF-SEASON LISTS ARE SO WELL THOUGHT OUT AND RELEVANT TO EVERYTHING!
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This has no relevance on today...just ask any critic.
 
These lists are meant to do one thing and one thing only...to poke a hornets' nest during the off-season. Supporters are going to get pi$$ed and haters are going to stand on the mountain top and yell "SEE!?!?"...and it would be the other way around if Iowa was coming off of a 10+ win season and KF was back on Mandel's Top 5 list a year from now, but as long as SI.com keeps getting hits they could care less what any of us really think.
 
You may not agree that he is in the 5 worst. Im fine with that. However if you dont think these types of things arent going to come out when Iowa wins 4 games then you just dont understand how things work.

Really if you think its sooooo crazy that hes on this list then give me some good reason why not or give me five coaches that are worse at this current time and still have a job at the D1 level.

People arent paying for memories the past doesnt matter the fact that so many of you have to point out the past shows how bad it is currently. This isnt a worst coaches of all time, because Im sure you can find a bunch of coaches that are either not coaching anymore or are at eastern tech of middle southern state.
 
OUTofTOWNHAWK said:
You may not agree that he is in the 5 worst. Im fine with that. However if you dont think these types of things arent going to come out when Iowa wins 4 games then you just dont understand how things work.

Really if you think its sooooo crazy that hes on this list then give me some good reason why not or give me five coaches that are worse at this current time and still have a job at the D1 level.

People arent paying for memories the past doesnt matter the fact that so many of you have to point out the past shows how bad it is currently. This isnt a worst coaches of all time, because Im sure you can find a bunch of coaches that are either not coaching anymore or are at eastern tech of middle southern state.
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He's not one of the five worst college football coaches right now. He's just not, and to try to truly argue that he is is foolish. Mandel should have written a Top 5 most overpaid..then he probably comes out fine including Ferentz, based on wins the last three years. Even I wouldn't argue against that.

But to say that KF is one of the five worst RIGHT NOW, then go and sample a W-L record dating to 2005 by taking out an 11-2 season?

Flat flawed and stupid premise.
 
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