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Lindy says Iowa wins the B1G and maybe gets in the playoffs
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Goin' 10-1
10-1 would be tougher than 12-0
karras
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karras
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If I say to you, "this ain't Hayden Fry's Nebraska" to insult Kirk Ferentz it rings hollow because Kirk helped make them what they are today.
The same thing is true of Hayden Fry. Iowa State/Wisconsin/Northwestern didn't show up in Kinnick and say, "we want to be your bitch". By changing the win/loss dynamic Hayden helped transform how history views them.
The Big LeHAWKski
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Gotta just love the off-season!
Us Hawk fans (if we’re honest) will admit we’re all annoyingly optimistic & annoyingly pessimistic AT THE SAME DAMN TIME!
F- Nebby x infinity
GO HAWKS!
Us Hawk fans (if we’re honest) will admit we’re all annoyingly optimistic & annoyingly pessimistic AT THE SAME DAMN TIME!
F- Nebby x infinity
GO HAWKS!
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hawkdrummer1
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Not so, when it comes to Wisconsin and Northwestern. They were both historically bad before Hayden arrived in Iowa City. (There was a standing joke about every team wanting to schedule Northwestern for homecoming). He passed them both in the standings, but he didn't knock them down a notch. Interestingly enough, Hayden was indirectly responsible for Wisconsin's ultimate resurgence...his protege Barry Alvarez made that happen.
Hayden did put the clones back in their place..a beautiful thing, for sure. They were in the best 10 years of their program (thanks to Johnny Majors and Earle Bruce) before he claimed the state of Iowa for himself.
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seepig
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You have selective amnesia I re-call a couple 4-8's in those 20 years and 7-5 or 6-6 when the team talent was much better than the record. The way we play limits the margin of error for TOs so a major injury to Stanley a couple games where the TOs aren't in our favor likely spells doom that's all I'm saying. We have enough talent we should be 8-4 worst case. I've just been disappointed too many times with the 7-5 or needing to win the last 2 games to avoid the 6-6. Lot's of 4-4 conference finishes over the 20 years (I think havent' looked).
seepig
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And there are other better pubs that have Iowa picked 5-6th in the West....GOD I hope those are wrong! But again the Commander hasn't had any success against Bucky as of late, The fighting Fitzgerald's have OWNED him, he's looking up at a 3 game sweep by the BROHM, PJ "Row the Boaters" will be better, The FROST alert is ON high though we've owned them as of late. That leaves us with 1 for sure win in the West lowly Chief Illinawhackit. Lest we forget our running game has been atrocious over the past 2 seasons very unlike a Commander Kirk club.
A creative head coach and an experienced OC are important elements to winning any championship.
Can we get beyond the "successful" 8-4 season?
seepig
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Anyone's guess at this point we are currently undefeated
karras
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This would be accurate if you weren't forgetting where Iowa was. Neither Wisky nor Northwestern had a losing streak as long as Iowa's in Jan 1981. Iowa was dead last in the conference in terms of consecutive non-winning seasons. Those programs had a better recent history if you go back to Iowa's last winning season. But then Iowa leapfrogged them and not only became a better program, but Iowa also helped keep them down. You're also forgetting that JHF played a tougher OOC. So whatever claims are made about the conference being weaker, that is balanced out by the OOC. It's just not historically accurate to claim Hayden had it easier than KF. Ya kinda had to live thru it to understand the mountain that was 1979 vs the mountain that was 1999.
hawkdrummer1
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Oh, I did live through it K-man. Iowa was definitely in a hole as big as any. Agreed. But NW and Wisconsin were not significantly better...they wallowed in the bottom of the conference too.
My point was simply that while J Hayden Fry certainly elevated IOWA to a level way above NW and Wisconsin...his success wasn't responsible for their demise. They both were very much in the dumps when he took over. (Wisconsin actually had a better record in the 10 years after Hayden's hiring than the 10 before).
Nobody is arguing that the Big 10 was weaker under Fry, and no one is claiming that Fry had it easier than Ferentz. You are arguing against air, here. The only point under discussion is that NW is now in the top half of the conference, not the bottom half.
okeefe4prez
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You beat me to it. The point is, Northwestern isn't an easy out now just because they sucked in the 80s.
hawkdrummer1
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The playing field is more level now, because of TV money. There's not the huge gap between haves and have nots.
Good point that Iowa's success did NOT correspond to Wisc's and NW's demise. In fact, thinking that Iowa's program has a large impact on the fortunes of any other program is probably a bit far-fetched. Yes, if Iowa beats a rival, that is one more win for us and one more loss for them. But that is just one game out of 12 or 13. And yes, Iowa competes against these teams for recruits, but if Iowa loses out on OL121 and ends up with OL123 instead, there is no guarantee the we got the worse end of the deal.
Look at the data comparing Iowa's win% vs. just one of their rivals (I have chosen Wisc due to geographic and stylistic proximity). If you go back to 1970, and you look at season win% up to present day, there is absolutely no correlation between Iowa win% and Wisc win% (R^2 = 0.002). That lack of relationship does not change if you look from 1980 on, 1990 on, or 2000 on.
If you argue that a good Iowa season might not affect the corresponding Wisc season, but rather the future seasons (a recruiting-effect argument), you would expect a phase-shifted relationship. But if you compare Iowa win% vs. Wisc win% 1 season in advance, there is still no relationship (R^2 = 0.01). Same if you project 2, 3, and 4 seasons in advance (R^2 = 0.09, 0.006, 0.003, respectively).
I am not going to do the leg-work to show that for Iowa's other rivals (ISU, Minn, NW), but feel free if you are so inclined:
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/iowa/
Bottom line, to think that Iowa can either "keep a program down" or "let a program up" is far-fetched. In terms of the important factors governing the success of B1G rivals or ISU, the success of Iowa is way down the list.
