ssckelley
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Why do you say this?
Let's try this again- Will Iowa make the NCAA Tournament?
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Why do you say this?
STILLBUSTER
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Sticking with 'No', tho not as adamantly. Win 2 and there will be a camera in I.C. on Selection Sunday. I just don't think they win 2 and 1-1 isn't enough.
Cheering for DePaul (over Xavier), Baylor to thump K-State, Sparty and Rhode Island to go 0-1.
No question this team is so much tougher and more confident than last year's - any of the last 3 years. If watching the 2 play, I'd be cheering for this year's and I think they could contain / frustrate Uthoff to win.
hawkdrummer1
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No doubt this team is playing its best ball, all of us recognize they're a tourney level team right now. But there are other bubble teams with better overall records. With one more W we'd still be under 20 wins. Purdue, WIscy, Minnesota, Maryland, Northwestern and most say Michigan..are in. (Michigan is 2 games better in the W/L column) The Big Ten is considered to be down ...I don't think they'll take 7 teams.
I'd love to be wrong, but I think it'll take at least two...and even that is no guarantee, especially if there are upsets in other conference tourneys. If only we hadn't gotten screwed at Minnesota.
hawkdrummer1
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I hope I am wrong. Which experts?...outside of Iowa.
InGoodCo
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I think yesterday's post season awards for Iowa kind of helps prove my theory that people outside of Iowa fans think pretty highly of this team. We all might be a bit too hard on them and that's natural for the team you root for. I think win 1 and their in - win 2 to erase any doubts.
OBhawk
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Via ESPN Bubble Watch.... Some bad reminders here
Iowa [18-13 (10-8), RPI: 69, SOS: 46] On Feb. 15, 2014, Iowa was 19-6. A month later, when it bowed out of the First Four in Dayton, it was 20-13. On Feb. 14, 2016, the top-10 ranked Hawkeyes, led by Jarrod Uthoff, were 20-5. A month later, they were a No. 7 seed in Villanova's unrelenting bracket path, and they ended the season 22-11. For those wondering why the Watch has a habit of inserting Iowa into jokes about late-season collapses, well, there you go. It's also a preface for this: These are the Bizarro Hawkeyes. March is supposed to be when good Iowa teams make Fran McCaffery very angry and every Iowa fan quietly sad. These Hawks are (gasp) playing their best basketball down the stretch, winning at Maryland and Wisconsin in back-to-back road trips and forcing themselves onto a bubble that had no interest in them even a week ago. Saturday's win over Penn State set the stage for No. 7 Iowa vs. No. 10 Indiana on Thursday at the Big Ten tournament, which is not a setup any Big Ten tournament bracketologist (note: these don't exist) would have charted out a few months ago. Iowa might get into the tournament! A former walk-on from Bettendorf, Iowa, is arguably the team's second-best player! A Bohannon brother made a clutch shot at the Kohl Center to beat Wisconsin! Fran McCaffery seems generally pleased! Behold the Bizarro Hawkeyes, ye mighty, and despair!
Iowa [18-13 (10-8), RPI: 69, SOS: 46] On Feb. 15, 2014, Iowa was 19-6. A month later, when it bowed out of the First Four in Dayton, it was 20-13. On Feb. 14, 2016, the top-10 ranked Hawkeyes, led by Jarrod Uthoff, were 20-5. A month later, they were a No. 7 seed in Villanova's unrelenting bracket path, and they ended the season 22-11. For those wondering why the Watch has a habit of inserting Iowa into jokes about late-season collapses, well, there you go. It's also a preface for this: These are the Bizarro Hawkeyes. March is supposed to be when good Iowa teams make Fran McCaffery very angry and every Iowa fan quietly sad. These Hawks are (gasp) playing their best basketball down the stretch, winning at Maryland and Wisconsin in back-to-back road trips and forcing themselves onto a bubble that had no interest in them even a week ago. Saturday's win over Penn State set the stage for No. 7 Iowa vs. No. 10 Indiana on Thursday at the Big Ten tournament, which is not a setup any Big Ten tournament bracketologist (note: these don't exist) would have charted out a few months ago. Iowa might get into the tournament! A former walk-on from Bettendorf, Iowa, is arguably the team's second-best player! A Bohannon brother made a clutch shot at the Kohl Center to beat Wisconsin! Fran McCaffery seems generally pleased! Behold the Bizarro Hawkeyes, ye mighty, and despair!
mopkins
King Kong
I'd like to see a statistic on how many Big Ten teams finished 2 games over .500 or better in the conference and didn't make the tournament. It has to be a very small, if any, number.
meanwhile you have Illinois at 8-10 in the Big Ten and somehow they're a "better" bubble team than us after dropping a must-win game to Rutgers.
meanwhile you have Illinois at 8-10 in the Big Ten and somehow they're a "better" bubble team than us after dropping a must-win game to Rutgers.
OBhawk
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Even with Illinois beating us twice, that is still a head scratchier
ssckelley
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The records are not the deciding factor and if Iowa wins 2, which is how many most think they need to win, that will give them 20 wins. If Iowa wins 2 that adds another decent win (top 100) with Indiana and another top 50 win over Wisconsin, the resume becomes rock solid. If Omaha wins the Summit Championship the loss to Memphis (RPI 109) may end up being their worse loss and not many bubble teams can say that.
Every bracketologist that I have seen/watched has Iowa as a bubble team (USA Today, CBS, Yahoo, and Lunardi), think Iowa needs to win 2 in order to get in.
1977Hawkeye
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I'm also curious about the fact that Illinois lost to Rutgers and their status as "last 4 in" hasn't seem to have changed... 
I know they beat us head to head twice, but I don't think that makes a whole lot of difference.. I think it was 1998, Iowa beat Indiana head to head 2x as well and they went dancing while we went to the NIT.
And at least according to ESPN RPI, Illinois now only has three Top 50 wins, with NW dropping to 51, if you want to get technical about it.
I just think Iowa's resume is a bit better than Illinois.
I know they beat us head to head twice, but I don't think that makes a whole lot of difference.. I think it was 1998, Iowa beat Indiana head to head 2x as well and they went dancing while we went to the NIT.
And at least according to ESPN RPI, Illinois now only has three Top 50 wins, with NW dropping to 51, if you want to get technical about it.
I just think Iowa's resume is a bit better than Illinois.
theboat
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I Found this from last year
http://www.cleveland.com/osu/2016/02/ohio_states_10_big_ten_wins_gu.html
COLUMBUS, Ohio -- It's true that every team that's finished above .500 in Big Ten basketball play the last five seasons has made the NCAA Tournament.
It's true that a Big Ten team has finished above .500 and failed to reach the tournament only 11 times since the field expanded to 64 teams in 1985.
ssckelley
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Ohio State was 11-7 last year and ended up in the NIT. Iowa got screwed in 97/98 when Iowa was 9-7 in the Big Ten and 20-10 overall. That might have been the first time a Big Ten team got left out being 2 games over .500 since the tournament expanded to 64, but I'm not 100%. I just remember it being a big deal at the time and a huge disappointment. That was the year Ricky Davis was a Hawk.
Last year OSU was 11-7 and didn't make it.
Illinois in 2010 was 10-8 and didn't make it.
Penn State in 2009 went 10-8 and didn't make it.
OSU in 2008 went 10-8 and didn't make it.
Iowa in 2007 went 9-7 and didn't make it.
Indiana in 2005 went 10-6 and didn't make it.
Iowa in 2004 went 9-7 and didn't make it.
Michigan in 2003 went 10-6 and didn't make it.
I stopped there, but clearly it was pretty frequent outside of the last few years, and there were 2 teams that went 10-6 and didn't even get in.
Adam
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Palm, Sagarin, Lunardi, Vitale, Gottlieb. Those are just the ones that I have heard or read saying 2 more wins should be a lock. 1 more and we sweat. Lose to Indy and we are NIT bound.
Adam
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None of those teams mentioned had a .500 record against the top 50 with playing 8 games against the top 50. When we play Wisconsin again that will make 9 games against the top 50. That is 1/3 of our games. We should and will get credit for that. Plus I wonder if any of those teams had a 1st team all B1G, 2 All Freshman and a 6th man of the year. I doubt it.
Robowe
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From the website --> http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/mens-basketball-selections-101-committee
Did You Know?
Conference representatives cannot be in the room when teams from their conference are being discussed for inclusion, nor are they allowed to vote for them. Same goes for a school representative, who cannot participate in or vote for their own school.
Committee members are assigned to conferences to monitor play throughout the season.
hawkdrummer1
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As SSCKelly pointed out also, those two more wins would be Ws against name teams. That's key. We'd have beaten Wiscy (twice), Indy (twice) and Maryland as part of a six game winning streak. That's a hot team. If Jok goes off in those games (which he'll likely have to), they also like the idea of a team with a "marque" player.
Just win baby.
Adam
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Since it is written, it must be so. I would expect the same amount of corruption within the NCAA bracket committee as there is with all other entities of the NCAA. As there is with all other everything as it seems. We will just have to wait and see, but I stick by my predictions. MSU will be seeded higher than projected. Iowa will be in as long as they beat Indiana.
