ssckelley
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Nope, was not trying to be funny I just looked at the score wrong when I peeked at the goofers schedule. That just made my point even better.
Let's really talk NIT, for realsies yo!
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Nope, was not trying to be funny I just looked at the score wrong when I peeked at the goofers schedule. That just made my point even better.
hawkeyebob62
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I assume you mean "big" wins are more important than "bad" losses. But, I think that really applies more to NCAA than NIT.
That said, I think NIT would be great, but we have four reg season games left before we even speculate about how we need to do in BTT.
Frankly, I am happy with ANY post-season invite after the previous five seasons.
DuffMan
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Yes I do. Indiana is a better team. Wisky lost to Iowa at home also but I don't expect them to lose in carver also.
hawkIhoops
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Iowa has to win their way in, which is an obvious statement to make, but I mean they have to to beat teams who aren't playing one of their worst games of the season. WI won't be 3-23 from 3 Thursday night and NW will still have Shurna, Crawford, Sobolewski and the 1-3-1.
By the same token, I doubt McCray (??) from Nebraska shoots lights out and they score a basket or free throw on 17 of 19 possessions again. IL could be crying in their NIT punch by the time we play them, so who knows?
This time of year it comes down to who wants it more, as I don't see a team on our schedule that is significantly better than us, although NW certainly beat us to a pulp.
By the same token, I doubt McCray (??) from Nebraska shoots lights out and they score a basket or free throw on 17 of 19 possessions again. IL could be crying in their NIT punch by the time we play them, so who knows?
This time of year it comes down to who wants it more, as I don't see a team on our schedule that is significantly better than us, although NW certainly beat us to a pulp.
ssckelley
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Yeah Wisconsin scares me to. The main reason Iowa beat them in Madison was because they were shooting horribly. It would be nice to credit the Iowa defense but a lot of those they missed were wide open looks. If Wisconsin gets those wide open looks on Thursday the game will turn ugly.
ssckelley
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Well Iowa did crush Northern Illinois who beat Miami who smoked Ohio State. So that shows how good Iowa is.
DuffMan
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The thing is we really aren't competing with those teams. We are competing against NW, Minny, and Illannoy. The B10 is going to send at least one (maybe 2) teams to the NIT this year. All Iowa has to do is put together a better resume than those other B10 teams.
ssckelley
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But unfortunately Duff Iowa is competing against those schools. There is nothing that says the NIT has to take any number of schools from the Big Ten. I get that the Big Ten is considered the strongest conference but when it comes down to NIT bids the committee is still going to look at Iowa compared to the LSU's of the world which is where the SOS/RPI gets compared.
I am going to stand by my prediction Iowa needs to get to 18 wins to be considered by the NIT.
I am going to stand by my prediction Iowa needs to get to 18 wins to be considered by the NIT.
DuffMan
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If you think the NIT is passing on the B10 you are nuts. They are taking at least one B10 team. The only question is if Iowa can put themselves in a position to be that team. Looking at the current standings and the respective scheduels for them and thier competition, it's easy to find scenarios in which they will. Again if the standings end up like this who do you think the NIT would take?
Iowa 16-15 (8-10)
Minn 18-13 (6-12), lost to Iowa twice.
NW 17-13 (7-11), split with Iowa.
Ill 17-14 (6-12)
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hawkforlife9
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We're a lock NIT. Still hoping for the Real Tourney!!!!
ssckelley
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But your scenarios are unlikely to happen, even if they do Iowa would need to beat Minnesota for a 3rd time in the first round of BTT to get NIT considerations. If Minnesota was to beat Iowa the RPI, SOS, and overall record will get Minnesota a NIT bid over a 16-16 Iowa. If Northwestern does not get selected by the NCAA they will also get a NIT bid over Iowa. As bad as Illinois is playing right now all they have to do is beat Iowa on their home court to get an NIT bid over Iowa as well.
DuffMan
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Really? They require Iowa going 2-2 to finish out the season, well within the realm of possibility given our schedule.
They require NW going 1-3 versus Michigan, OSU, PSU, and Iowa (very likely if Iowa manages to beat them in the last game of the season).
Minn going 1-3 versus Indiana, Wisky, MSU, and Nebraska (seems pretty likely)
Illannoy going 1-3 versus OSU and Wisky (both on the road) and home dates versus Michigan and Iowa. (again seems pretty likely)
DuffMan
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Illannoy is almost certainly going 1-3 over their last game and if Iowa finds a way they could be looking at 0-4. They are NOT getting into the NIT at 17-14 and 6-12 in conference play.
ssckelley
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Yeah really. Iowa finishing 2-2 is within the realm of possibility.
OK a 1-3 could happen but even if it does that puts NW at 17-13 with one of the toughest schedule in basketball. In your scenario this puts NW against Minnesota in the BTT, the winner of that game will get an NIT selection before Iowa. The loser of that game could as well based on RPI, SOS, and overall record.
I just don't see Indiana beating Minnesota on the road. I think a 2-2 record is more reasonable which doesn't knock Iowa out of the #7 spot in the conference but it does put Minnesota at 19 wins going into the BTT. They are NCAA bubble that goes to the NIT if the bubble bursts. The difference here is the non conference. Minnesota played and beat some decent mid major teams in the non conference, a few of them may be dancing as well. I doubt Iowa would get a bid over Minnesota just because they beat them twice, not with a 16-16 record and a horrible RPI.
Right now Illinois is on the NCAA bubble but if they only win 1 game and that win is over Iowa they might get an NIT nod over Iowa. In your scenario they would play Iowa in the first round of the BTT. If Illinois was to beat Iowa again there is no way Iowa gets a bid over Illinois in the NIT. If Iowa wins then Illinois is not going anywhere and then it comes down to what happens between Northwestern and Minnesota. If one of them gets into the NCAA tournament then there is an outside chance the NIT gives a Iowa a look.
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DuffMan
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You are nuts if you think the NIT is going to select a B10 team with a 6-12 conference record, regardless of whether they win one game in the B10 tournament. It just isn't going to happen.
I agree that NW is Iowa biggest competition for the NIT. The best thing for Iowa would be for NW to go 3-1 down the stretch and make the tournament and for Iowa to go 2-2. That makes Iowa the next most attractive team in the B10 (provided they don't lay an egg in the B10 tourney). That said I don't think NW is going 3-1. They lose to OSU, and I THINK they lose to scUM as well.
I agree that NW is Iowa biggest competition for the NIT. The best thing for Iowa would be for NW to go 3-1 down the stretch and make the tournament and for Iowa to go 2-2. That makes Iowa the next most attractive team in the B10 (provided they don't lay an egg in the B10 tourney). That said I don't think NW is going 3-1. They lose to OSU, and I THINK they lose to scUM as well.
jacknicholson
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Very nice post, Duff. if we beat Wisconsin and NW, I do believe we have a good chance of making the NIT. I think a win in the the B1G tournament would almost cement the deal. Two B1G tourny wins would make it automatic.....
If by some feverish quirk of fate we win the next four games, there is no way we can be denied.....
It is a vast improvement to seriously contemplate the possibility of playing in the NIT. We have certainly come a long way......
If by some feverish quirk of fate we win the next four games, there is no way we can be denied.....
It is a vast improvement to seriously contemplate the possibility of playing in the NIT. We have certainly come a long way......
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hawkIhoops
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Agree with Jack N. Maybe it is representative of how far Iowa hoops has fallen, but I am ready for Thursday night right now. It's hard to not be superstitious with this team, as I felt the same way before the Nebraska game.
Maybe, like the players, I need a pregame ritual that I need to follow if they won the game before (sit on 3rd couch cushion, eat pizza, promise my wife she can watch American Idol after the game, use the dog as a prop when explaining to my wife how the pick and roll works).
Maybe, like the players, I need a pregame ritual that I need to follow if they won the game before (sit on 3rd couch cushion, eat pizza, promise my wife she can watch American Idol after the game, use the dog as a prop when explaining to my wife how the pick and roll works).
