Let's really talk NIT, for realsies yo!

[hawkeyebob62]

Does the NIT look at records in total or how a team is playing at the end of the year vs. at the start of the year? Don't know their criteria, but if Iowa goes 2-2 to close out the year, or somehow finishes 3-1, the case is made for them finishing strong, offsetting their tepid non-conference mark.

To be honest, now that NIT is owned/run by NCAA, I have no idea of selection process or if there is a separate committee that picks the teams. About the only thing I know is that regular season winners who do NOT win conference tourneys and do NOT get selected for NCAA get "first crack".

My guess is that competitive games are desired, but also, good "match-ups", along with keeping excessive travel to a minimum (I still have no idea behind reasoning of NCAA match-ups, where some teams are DEFINITELY "protected", while others have to go from hell to high water for their games).

 

[H8IAST8]

16 Wins= OUT of NIT
17 Wins = NIT Bubble
18 Wins = IN NIT on NCAA Bubble
19-20 Wins= IN the NCAA Tourney

 

[Stanzi]

There is exactly 1 way Iowa makes the NCAA -- win the BTT.

The minimum for Iowa to make the NIT is 3-1 regular finish + 1-1 BTT. It has to show it can string a few wins together and beat the type of competition it will face in the NIT.

The following is from NIT-ology

It is the list of all the teams that are in the discussion for the NIT but considered OUT
(I've put them in order of RPI (from realtimerpi.com, as of 2/18/12).)

Duquesne=80, Denver=89, loyola marymount=92, Princeton=96, Maryland=97, ohio=99, mercer=101, texas Christian=102, st. Bonaventure=103, villanova=104, Tennessee=106, Georgia=107, yale=110, Tulsa=111, pennsylvania=112, Oklahoma=113, lamar=115, Butler=116, Fairfield=118, robert morris=120, Lehigh=122, illinois st.=123, Ucla=125.

As you can see, there are some very attractive teams on that list that will all be considered before Iowa.

For shiggles and gits, Nebraska, Penn State, Vermont and St John's are NOT even in the discussion to be on the bubble of the NIT but their respective RPI's are 128, 130, 138 & 141. Iowa is 142!

Now, all these rankings are before the Indiana W but the "realsies" is, Iowa is NOT going to make the NIT this year.

You should find your way back to Cyclone Fanatic. Also, those RPI's are lovely, but there's a lot more taken into consideration. A team that goes 8-10 or 9-9 in B1G conference play (given the strength of the conference this year) will make the NIT, unless of course said team makes the NCAA tournament.

 

[DuffMan]

There is exactly 1 way Iowa makes the NCAA -- win the BTT.

The minimum for Iowa to make the NIT is 3-1 regular finish + 1-1 BTT. It has to show it can string a few wins together and beat the type of competition it will face in the NIT.

The following is from NIT-ology

It is the list of all the teams that are in the discussion for the NIT but considered OUT
(I've put them in order of RPI (from realtimerpi.com, as of 2/18/12).)

Duquesne=80, Denver=89, loyola marymount=92, Princeton=96, Maryland=97, ohio=99, mercer=101, texas Christian=102, st. Bonaventure=103, villanova=104, Tennessee=106, Georgia=107, yale=110, Tulsa=111, pennsylvania=112, Oklahoma=113, lamar=115, Butler=116, Fairfield=118, robert morris=120, Lehigh=122, illinois st.=123, Ucla=125.

As you can see, there are some very attractive teams on that list that will all be considered before Iowa.

For shiggles and gits, Nebraska, Penn State, Vermont and St John's are NOT even in the discussion to be on the bubble of the NIT but their respective RPI's are 128, 130, 138 & 141. Iowa is 142!

Now, all these rankings are before the Indiana W but the "realsies" is, Iowa is NOT going to make the NIT this year.

Please tell me which team would receive an NIT bid over an Iowa team that finished 16-15 (8-10) and alone in 7th place in the best baskeball conference in America?

Minn 18-13 (6-12), lost to Iowa twice.
NW 17-13 (7-11), split with Iowa.
Ill 17-14 (6-12)

 

[clicheusername3]

Yay! NIT!

 

[1hawkeye1]

According to NIT-ology Illinois is a 1 seed. I would think that is going to change. LOL

 

[DuffMan]

To be honest, now that NIT is owned/run by NCAA, I have no idea of selection process or if there is a separate committee that picks the teams. About the only thing I know is that regular season winners who do NOT win conference tourneys and do NOT get selected for NCAA get "first crack".

My guess is that competitive games are desired, but also, good "match-ups", along with keeping excessive travel to a minimum (I still have no idea behind reasoning of NCAA match-ups, where some teams are DEFINITELY "protected", while others have to go from hell to high water for their games).

I'll say this. Multiple NCAA comitties have gone or record saying that wins are more important that losses (even close ones). They correctly point out that everyone on the NCAA bubble has proven they can lose, that's how they got on the bubble to begin with. Part of what they look for to separate those that get in from those that don't is "who have you beat". Iowa's resume in that regard looks very very good.

As mentioned in another thread we have 3 wins over top 25 teams. We have two wins against Minny. If we split the last 4 games you can also count a win against NW, on the road at Illannoy, or a season sweep against Wisky (and 4th top 25 victory).

That is going to look very very very favorably upon Iowa.

 

[H8IAST8]

I'll say this. Multiple NCAA comitties have gone or record saying that wins are more important that losses (even close ones). They correctly point out that everyone on the NCAA bubble has proven they can lose, that's how they got on the bubble to begin with. Part of what they look for to separate those that get in from those that don't is "who have you beat". Iowa's resume in that regard looks very very good.

As mentioned in another thread we have 3 wins over top 25 teams. We have two wins against Minny. If we split the last 4 games you can also count a win against NW, on the road at Illannoy, or a season sweep against Wisky (and 4th top 25 victory).

That is going to look very very very favorably upon Iowa.

I agree, its who you play and beat as well as where you play and beat them. That is why the record vs. the rpi top 50 is so important, as well as road and neutral wins.

 

[STILLBUSTER]

Please tell me which team would receive an NIT bid over an Iowa team that finished 16-15 (8-10) and alone in 7th place in the best baskeball conference in America?

Minn 18-13 (6-12), lost to Iowa twice.
NW 17-13 (7-11), split with Iowa.
Ill 17-14 (6-12)

As of the last projection, all 3 of those teams are considered out of the NCAA but locks for the NIT. That puts 3 B1G teams in the NIT, already. Still, I'll give you that Illannoy is the best shot that Iowa has to jump, as long as Iowa beats them in Champaign -- that's a giant IF for Iowa.

Don't discount the thought that Purdue, given it's suspension issues, might fall from the NCAA to the NIT (based on a 2-2 finish, 19-12 overall and goose-egg against top 25 teams), especially if they lose 1st round BTT.

As for some of the others:
Vermont, (12-2 A-East, RPI=138);
Penn (6-2 Ivy & sos of 90 -- Iowa's is 75, RPI=112);
Loyola-Marymount (10-4 in WCC, behind NCAA teams BYU, Zags, St Mary's, sos=83, RPI=92)

These are teams considered OUT of the NIT but are at least in the final cut. Iowa hasn't even made it that far, YET. Let's say Hawks finish strong but, so do these teams. You think Iowa jumps them in the discussion when they've already been there?

That's fine if you do but we simply have to agree to disagree.

 

[H8IAST8]

Please tell me which team would receive an NIT bid over an Iowa team that finished 16-15 (8-10) and alone in 7th place in the best baskeball conference in America?Minn 18-13 (6-12), lost to Iowa twice.NW 17-13 (7-11), split with Iowa.Ill 17-14 (6-12)

As of the last projection, all 3 of those teams are considered out of the NCAA but locks for the NIT. That puts 3 B1G teams in the NIT, already. Still, I'll give you that Illannoy is the best shot that Iowa has to jump, as long as Iowa beats them in Champaign -- that's a giant IF for Iowa.Don't discount the thought that Purdue, given it's suspension issues, might fall from the NCAA to the NIT (based on a 2-2 finish, 19-10 overall and goose-egg against top 25 teams), especially if they lose 1st round BTT.As for some of the others:Vermont, (12-2 A-East, RPI=138);Penn (6-2 Ivy &sos of 90 -- Iowa's is 75, RPI=112);Loyola-Marymount (10-4 in WCC, behind NCAA teams BYU, Zags, St Mary's, sos=83, RPI=92)These are teams considered OUT of the NIT but are at least in the final cut. Iowa hasn't even made it that far, YET. Let's say Hawks finish strong but, so do these teams. You think Iowa jumps them in the discussion when they've already been there?That's fine if you do but we simply have to agree to disagree.

how is Oklahoma doing?lol

 

[DuffMan]

Please tell me which team would receive an NIT bid over an Iowa team that finished 16-15 (8-10) and alone in 7th place in the best baskeball conference in America?Minn 18-13 (6-12), lost to Iowa twice.NW 17-13 (7-11), split with Iowa.Ill 17-14 (6-12)

As of the last projection, all 3 of those teams are considered out of the NCAA but locks for the NIT. That puts 3 B1G teams in the NIT, already. Still, I'll give you that Illannoy is the best shot that Iowa has to jump, as long as Iowa beats them in Champaign -- that's a giant IF for Iowa.Don't discount the thought that Purdue, given it's suspension issues, might fall from the NCAA to the NIT (based on a 2-2 finish, 19-10 overall and goose-egg against top 25 teams), especially if they lose 1st round BTT.As for some of the others:Vermont, (12-2 A-East, RPI=138);Penn (6-2 Ivy &sos of 90 -- Iowa's is 75, RPI=112);Loyola-Marymount (10-4 in WCC, behind NCAA teams BYU, Zags, St Mary's, sos=83, RPI=92)These are teams considered OUT of the NIT but are at least in the final cut. Iowa hasn't even made it that far, YET. Let's say Hawks finish strong but, so do these teams. You think Iowa jumps them in the discussion when they've already been there?That's fine if you do but we simply have to agree to disagree.

You have to remember those projections are written as if the season ends today. Fortunately for Iowa it doesn't. Those three teams (and Iowa) each have four games left, two have games against Iowa left, and all three are staring a 1-3 finish square in the face.

If your point is solely that if the season ended today Iowa is not in the NIT I agree, but its hard to argue there is a realistic shot it happens.

 

[H8IAST8]

Vermont is tied for Am East, if they win the reg. season and lose in their Conference tourney, they will get an auto bid. Also Vermont has one of if not THE WORST TEAM IN Divsion 1 Basketball next (Binghamton 0-26) . They will easily fall AT LEAST10 spots in the RPI even with a win. Their final game is against UMBC who is 4-26.

Vermont played decent non-conference foes, but they lost. Im not going to get into how or why their RPI is under 100, but the best team they beat was ODU who is 4th in the Colonial with a 119 RPI.

 

[hawkIhoops]

Ive said all along that practice reps are going to be more beneficial for Gabe than getting thrown to the wolves and have him go 100 MPH and not really know what the hell hes doing. I still have that opinion...its not his fault that we had 2 guys out with injuries and McCabe was picking up about a foul a minute. You have to play guys that arent ready when you dont have a lot of depth.

Tell me how the 1 minute, 3 fouls, 1 turnover and 0 shot attempts he got yesterday are going to "help him down the road", which is your reasoning for getting him PT.

Quit trying to hijack Duff's thread.

For starters, we have bodies to throw at other bigs (Olaseni, Brommer, Archie, and now Stokes) so we can rest White, Basabe and McCabe (if he is not on the bench already). For the 10th time, I am not expecting Olaseni to go for 10 and 10, but he can harass Zeller for a few minutes and maybe block a shot while White and or Basabe get some rest before TV TO's.

Secondly, how does Olaseni get better by practicing against Archie and Brommer? Give him some reps at game speed against Zeller and other legit big ten players. Stokes certainly embarassed himself with nice D and put back in the one minute he played.

Busting out knowledge to those in need should never be confused with hijacking a thread.

 

[Section136]

For starters, we have bodies to throw at other bigs (Olaseni, Brommer, Archie, and now Stokes) so we can rest White, Basabe and McCabe (if he is not on the bench already). For the 10th time, I am not expecting Olaseni to go for 10 and 10, but he can harass Zeller for a few minutes and maybe block a shot while White and or Basabe get some rest before TV TO's.

Secondly, how does Olaseni get better by practicing against Archie and Brommer? Give him some reps at game speed against Zeller and other legit big ten players. Stokes certainly embarassed himself with nice D and put back in the one minute he played.

Busting out knowledge to those in need should never be confused with hijacking a thread.

Hes only been playing organized ball for 4-5 years I believe. Any practice time is good practice time for him. I just dont think getting crushed by some of the best bigs in the conference is going to help him in the long run.

Im not gonna sit here and argue with you about the playing time of Gabe Olaseni as its obvious we are not going to change each others minds. We are going to have to agree to disagree.

 

[DesMoinesHawki]

Will be interesting to see what happens ... Now, we just need the Iowa team to show up that beat Indiana ... not the one schooled by NW and PSU.

 

[hawkIhoops]

The team has been getting crushed with / without Olaseni playing. Agree-- we can revisit this next season when hopefully he will be more productive.

 

[RocknRollface]

I've quit trying to predict future wins and losses with this team. I knew this season would be one of incredibly awesome highs (beat Wisconsin, Mich. Indiana) and soul crushing lows. (Campbell Camels??)
I'm just gonna sit back and enjoy the ride. If it includes NIT, then that would be another high.
If not, I will dream about a 7 foot post presence and the BIG DANCE possibilities for next year.

This,

We all got excited after the back to back road wins, then back to back humiliating woodshed beatings followed.

Beat Michigan, lose to Nebraska at home. Blow out Penn State, then lose to Penn State, Get blown out by Indiana then beat Indiana.

The rational prediction for this years team is that they are going to continue the pattern of taking a step forward then falling on their face.

I expect at least one more shocking win and one more loss where they look like they have never heard of defense before.

 

[hawkIhoops]

Pretty accurate assessment by rocknroll. I hope we have Cartwright back for WI, as he seems to like the head to head battle with Taylor. At least WI doesn't have 11 athletes to throw at us like MSU and OSU, but I guess PSU and NW didn't either. Tough one to call....sweep WI or get payback on NW. We need one for sure and a W in Lincoln.

 

[ssckelley]

Please tell me which team would receive an NIT bid over an Iowa team that finished 16-15 (8-10) and alone in 7th place in the best baskeball conference in America?

Minn 18-13 (6-12), lost to Iowa twice.
NW 17-13 (7-11), split with Iowa.
Ill 17-14 (6-12)

You really think Minnesota will lose at home to Indiana? They dang near beat them @ Indiana.

Plus in your scenario it appears Iowa would play either Illinois or Minnesota (I dont know who has the tie breaker), a loss to either of them in the first round of the BTT could push them past Iowa for a NIT bid. That would put Iowa at 16-16 with a pretty bad RPI.

 

[woodyk1]

You really think Minnesota will lose at home to Indiana? They dang near beat them @ Indiana.
Plus in your scenario it appears Iowa would play either Illinois or Minnesota (I dont know who has the tie breaker), a loss to either of them in the first round of the BTT could push them past Iowa for a NIT bid. That would put Iowa at 16-16 with a pretty bad RPI.

Not sure if you were being funny, but Minny did win at IU.

Minnesota Golden Gophers vs. Indiana Hoosiers - Recap - January 12, 2012 - ESPN