tksirius
HN's Love Doctor
The point is that basically 2 non-members of the B1G won more conference titles than Iowa. That's sad.
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MoseSchrute
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The symptom and result of a great fan base and a poor recruiting base. Still need to do better though. Some do more with even less.
NCHawker
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Wrong question.
Does anyone care? Answer is no I don't care about all the other sports
tksirius
HN's Love Doctor
Well, it is in the football forum.
trj
Well-Known Member
Random thoughts:
Wisconsin seems to be getting more bang for their buck. I realize they have 2 million more people to work with, but Barry Alvarez has gotten it done whether you like him or not.
Pac-12 and B1G schools offer more sports, especially to women than SEC schools and that has to be factored in this equation.
Texas makes a boatload of money. In terms of football there is no excuse why they shouldn't be on Alabama's level. None.
I was adamant against not paying players, but I am starting to cave. It really does seem like there is enough money to pay female athletes and male athletes in non-revenue sports.
Wisconsin seems to be getting more bang for their buck. I realize they have 2 million more people to work with, but Barry Alvarez has gotten it done whether you like him or not.
Pac-12 and B1G schools offer more sports, especially to women than SEC schools and that has to be factored in this equation.
Texas makes a boatload of money. In terms of football there is no excuse why they shouldn't be on Alabama's level. None.
I was adamant against not paying players, but I am starting to cave. It really does seem like there is enough money to pay female athletes and male athletes in non-revenue sports.
AreWeThereYet
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There may be no excuses for not being on Alabama's level, but there is karma. The Texas organization and fan base are so arrogant and self absorbed they've made themselves a toxic environment that actually diminishes their chances of future success. I don't doubt they will eventually find that success again once they have thrown enough money and clout around.
BigD
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So little ole Iowa is one rich b!tch! I guess the minions can’t use that excuse anymore can they?
I'm not sure I've ever once seen the excuse that Iowa doesn't make enough money to win big.
I've been seeing it less and less. When you have a little success and hope on the football field and basketball court literally nobody cares.
I'm of the Deace opinion actually. ISU used to spend a TON of money recruiting overseas girls for the tennis team and they still sucked. ISU should cut sports down to the NCAA minimum, for any program outside of the Big 3 (at ISU, that's FB, MBB, WBB) they should offer only Iowa kids for scholarship costs for all other sports and do everything absolutely on the cheap while pouring every dime into the major sports. I don't see why anybody would even care in the least if that's what they did.
hawkdrummer1
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1. Football
2. Basketball
3. Wrestling
4. Women's basketball
5. Baseball
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Besides hoops and football I don't really follow the other sports. I mean I'll occasionally see some of the wrestling and baseball stories. But that's literally it I don't go out of my way to watch any of that. Couldn't care less about track, gymnastics or any of the womens stuff. So the directors cup or Cy Hawks trophy any of that stuff is just a made up deal to try and drum up interest in other stuff. Most I would guess just don't care about it (even the coaches)
As far as the results of the football program based on $ goes clearly that can't be the end all be all or ND/Texas/Michigan recently prior to Harbaugh wouldn't have had some of the lack of success shall I say for a period of time. $ is great but this isn't free agency pro sports ( some may debate that haha) Iowa is still a middleish tier team in the Big 10 in the middle of the country with more recruiting disadvantages than advantages. I don't feel that's excuse making so much as it is what it is. Schools with more of everything to offer are all over the place with where they are too year to year too. I mean does any Oline recruit from TN give a rip about how much $ Iowa brings in a year? No they care about all the same things most kids do. Do they want fancy facilities? Sure but most all top 30-40 programs are getting them now. It's not even so much about diferenciating between those. It's all the other stuff. Which for the most part all the $ in the world doesn't affect...
As far as the results of the football program based on $ goes clearly that can't be the end all be all or ND/Texas/Michigan recently prior to Harbaugh wouldn't have had some of the lack of success shall I say for a period of time. $ is great but this isn't free agency pro sports ( some may debate that haha) Iowa is still a middleish tier team in the Big 10 in the middle of the country with more recruiting disadvantages than advantages. I don't feel that's excuse making so much as it is what it is. Schools with more of everything to offer are all over the place with where they are too year to year too. I mean does any Oline recruit from TN give a rip about how much $ Iowa brings in a year? No they care about all the same things most kids do. Do they want fancy facilities? Sure but most all top 30-40 programs are getting them now. It's not even so much about diferenciating between those. It's all the other stuff. Which for the most part all the $ in the world doesn't affect...
WinOneThisCentury
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Truer words have not been spoken.
mopkins
King Kong
This is rather sobering:
https://sports.yahoo.com/slideshow-ranking-65-power-five-slideshow-wp-170745075.html
54. Iowa
Top 2017-18 sport: wrestling. Trajectory: Steady. After a No. 78 finish in 2013-14, the Hawkeyes have improved enough to finish ahead of in-state rival Iowa State the last four years. But they’re also the lowest-rated Big Ten school not named Rutgers. For a school that spent nearly $129 million on athletics in 2016-17, that’s not a stellar return on investment
https://sports.yahoo.com/slideshow-ranking-65-power-five-slideshow-wp-170745075.html
54. Iowa
Top 2017-18 sport: wrestling. Trajectory: Steady. After a No. 78 finish in 2013-14, the Hawkeyes have improved enough to finish ahead of in-state rival Iowa State the last four years. But they’re also the lowest-rated Big Ten school not named Rutgers. For a school that spent nearly $129 million on athletics in 2016-17, that’s not a stellar return on investment
hawkdrummer1
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This is the type of thing that should show up in a performance review for the AD.
BigD
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PChawk,
How old are you?
Money rules this world. With the money we bring in there is no reason that we are not in the top twenty year in and year out in recruiting in either basketball or football because we have the MONEY to be there.
Deace hit the bullseye. A top twenty-five program three times in football since when???? Boom!!! That was Deace dropping the mike and walking away.
The facts are the facts. The only defense I could accept for the coaches is if the powers that be just don’t want to put out the money needed to truly give the coaches the staff and money needed to recruit at the level needed to be more successful and competitive.
How old are you?
Money rules this world. With the money we bring in there is no reason that we are not in the top twenty year in and year out in recruiting in either basketball or football because we have the MONEY to be there.
Deace hit the bullseye. A top twenty-five program three times in football since when???? Boom!!! That was Deace dropping the mike and walking away.
The facts are the facts. The only defense I could accept for the coaches is if the powers that be just don’t want to put out the money needed to truly give the coaches the staff and money needed to recruit at the level needed to be more successful and competitive.
InGoodCo
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Top 25 only 3 times since 2006 is nuts, and is a fair thing to call out, but let's not act like Iowa was more then 1 win away most of those seasons from being in it....and let's not act like everyone around Iowa on the list that Miller and Deace are talking about are just KILLING it in that regards. It's not good enough, but Iowa hovers around the top 25 nearly every season if you're really being fair about it you need to look at the field. While 3 sounds like a lousy # and it is - you have to take a look at everyone to determine who's getting bang for their buck year in year out.
Let's look at their peers that were ranked 25-15 in the same time frame for (2006 to current) football as far as revenue - (which is what sparked this convo) -
25. Minnesota - 0 Top 25 finishes (8 losing seasons)
24. Mississippi - 4 Top 25 finishes (5 losing seasons)
23. Nebraska - 4 top 25 finishes (3 losing seasons)
22. Louisville - 5 top 25 finishes ( 2 losing seasons)
21. Michigan State- 7 top 25 finishes ( 3 losing seasons)
20. Washington - 3 top 25 finishes ( 4 losing seasons)
19. Arkansas - 3 top 25 finishes ( 4 losing seasons)
18. Iowa - 3 top 25 finishes ( 2 losing seasons)
17. Kentucky - 0 top 25 finishes ( 6 losing seasons)
16. South Carolina - 4 top 25 finishes (2 losing seasons)
15. Wisconsin - 10 top 25 finishes ( 0 losing seasons)
There's only 2 schools who really stick out on that list IMO as head and shoulders "better then Iowa" since Gary Barta took over.
Let's look at their peers that were ranked 25-15 in the same time frame for (2006 to current) football as far as revenue - (which is what sparked this convo) -
25. Minnesota - 0 Top 25 finishes (8 losing seasons)
24. Mississippi - 4 Top 25 finishes (5 losing seasons)
23. Nebraska - 4 top 25 finishes (3 losing seasons)
22. Louisville - 5 top 25 finishes ( 2 losing seasons)
21. Michigan State- 7 top 25 finishes ( 3 losing seasons)
20. Washington - 3 top 25 finishes ( 4 losing seasons)
19. Arkansas - 3 top 25 finishes ( 4 losing seasons)
18. Iowa - 3 top 25 finishes ( 2 losing seasons)
17. Kentucky - 0 top 25 finishes ( 6 losing seasons)
16. South Carolina - 4 top 25 finishes (2 losing seasons)
15. Wisconsin - 10 top 25 finishes ( 0 losing seasons)
There's only 2 schools who really stick out on that list IMO as head and shoulders "better then Iowa" since Gary Barta took over.
tksirius
HN's Love Doctor
Hey look everyone! Gary just showed us how 3 Top 25 finishes in the last 12 seasons is actually a good thing. You know, cuz Kentucky and Minnesota did worse.
