KIRK THE DRAGON SLAYER

Fry also had his chances but lost to a couple of other coaches with national titles.

Barry Switzer at Oklahoma
Don James at Washington
 
Don't think Hayden had the inexplicable losses that Kirk has had either plus, as we know, he rolled ISU 15 times in a row. Trying to think of Hayden's worst loss. Didn't we lose to Tulsa or someone like that once?
 
Fry also beat Johny Majors when Majors was a coach at Tennesee.

Majors had previously won a national championship at Pitt.
 
SteveGarvey1 said:
Don't think Hayden had the inexplicable losses that Kirk has had either plus, as we know, he rolled ISU 15 times in a row. Trying to think of Hayden's worst loss. Didn't we lose to Tulsa or someone like that once?
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HF's teams didn't play as many games, so not as many non-cons. And, the ones they played were usually from the major conferences. So, not as many chances for wtf losses.

But yes, #19 Iowa lost at Tulsa in '96 (Tulsa only won 4 all year). Those Hawks only lost 2 in conference, though, and finished 9-3 #18.

In '88, #9 Iowa started the year by losing at Hawaii. I'm thinking KF would retire before agreeing to that game! But, that Hawaii team won 9 games, and Iowa had a bizarre 6-4-3 season.
 
I feel like this is just what happens when you spend 20 years at one place. Also, even though this is all just off season mental masturbation, I wouldn't count coaches that he beat at a school where he didn't win the NC (e.g. Chizik). Logic being, clearly they didn't have the talent at that other school or they would have at least been competing for an NC there.
 
NoBeer said:
I feel like this is just what happens when you spend 20 years at one place. Also, even though this is all just off season mental masturbation, I wouldn't count coaches that he beat at a school where he didn't win the NC (e.g. Chizik). Logic being, clearly they didn't have the talent at that other school or they would have at least been competing for an NC there.
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Gotta talk about something in the off season.
 
guffus said:
Fry also beat Darrel Royal when Fry was at SMU.

Royal won 3 national championships when he was at Texas.
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Fry beat future National Champion Johnny Majors when Hayden was at North Texas State, famously causing Majors to cancel the rest of the series and eventually bolt from Tennessee to Pittsburgh where Tony Dorsett helped Majors get his Natty.
 
Northside Hawk said:
Fry beat future National Champion Johnny Majors when Hayden was at North Texas State, famously causing Majors to cancel the rest of the series and eventually bolt from Tennessee to Pittsburgh where Tony Dorsett helped Majors get his Natty.
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Dude, no offense but you butchered this.

Hayden's N Tex beat Tenn in '75.

At that time, Majors was at Pitt, where he won that NC the next year. Then he went to Tenn (his alma mater).
 
hawkeyes87 said:
Dude, no offense but you butchered this.

Hayden's N Tex beat Tenn in '75.

At that time, Majors was at Pitt, where he won that NC the next year. Then he went to Tenn (his alma mater).
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I stand corrected. But I do remember that Majors once coached the clones (and to at least one bowl game) in the early seventies. I thought Hayden beat Tennessee earlier than that and have no idea who would have been coaching them anyway if it wasn't Majors.
 
hawkeyes87 said:
HF's teams didn't play as many games, so not as many non-cons. And, the ones they played were usually from the major conferences. So, not as many chances for wtf losses.

But yes, #19 Iowa lost at Tulsa in '96 (Tulsa only won 4 all year). Those Hawks only lost 2 in conference, though, and finished 9-3 #18.
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After that Tulsa game it did not take long for word or sports reporters to describe the scene. If you remember Hayden was complaining about Tulsa's artificial turf days before the game and I remember reporters and others saying most if not all the hawks were playing in tennis shoes or tennis type shoes. They slipped and slid around the whole game but as Hayden said they didnt get any blown out knees. HF was good for and with his players.
 
But HF definitely never had anything comparable to "last game of the year, at home, bowl game on the line, lose to freakin' Western Michigan".
 
Hayden never lost a Western Michigan type of game with a bowl on the line but he never won a BCS-level bowl game either. It's really a yanny vs.laurel thing as far as who you think has been a better coach.
 
SteveGarvey1 said:
Hayden never lost a Western Michigan type of game with a bowl on the line but he never won a BCS-level bowl game either.
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That Orange Bowl was one of the most impressive wins Iowa football's ever had, no doubt.

Unfortunately, that was followed up with something else Hayden never had- a long string of seasons that ended outside the Top-25.

In all of Hayden's time, they had 1 stretch where they went 3 years like that. Other than that they never had a streak of more than 2 years!

KF's had streaks of 3,3,& 5. And 2018 will be 3 if it happens again.
 
hawkeyes87 said:
That Orange Bowl was one of the most impressive wins Iowa football's ever had, no doubt.

Unfortunately, that was followed up with something else Hayden never had- a long string of seasons that ended outside the Top-25.

In all of Hayden's time, they had 1 stretch where they went 3 years like that. Other than that they never had a streak of more than 2 years!

KF's had streaks of 3,3,& 5. And 2018 will be 3 if it happens again.
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No rational person would ever debate that Ferentz is equal to or better than Fry.
 
hawkeyes87 said:
But HF definitely never had anything comparable to "last game of the year, at home, bowl game on the line, lose to freakin' Western Michigan".
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Actually, in 1992 Hayden lost the last game of the year to a bad Minnesota team with a birth in the copper bowl on the line. Not exactly the same, but comparable.
 
peerok said:
Actually, in 1992 Hayden lost the last game of the year to a bad Minnesota team with a birth in the copper bowl on the line. Not exactly the same, but comparable.
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That team started the year with NC State, Miami (Florida, not Ohio) break for bad Iowa State team, at Colorado, and a Michigan team who would eventually gomto the Rose bowl. Hayden's most brutal schedule since he inherited Bob Commings slates when he took over.
 
peerok said:
Actually, in 1992 Hayden lost the last game of the year to a bad Minnesota team with a birth in the copper bowl on the line. Not exactly the same, but comparable.
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Hmm. I guess that's comparable.

That was a terrible goofs team. But they were also a rival, a conference game, and on the road.
 
Northside Hawk said:
That team started the year with NC State, Miami (Florida, not Ohio) break for bad Iowa State team, at Colorado, and a Michigan team who would eventually gomto the Rose bowl. Hayden's most brutal schedule since he inherited Bob Commings slates when he took over.
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NC State…….Kickoff Classic @ the Meadowlands (they ended the year #15)
#1 Miami…….(ended #3)
ISU
@ #10 Colorado...….(ended #13)
@ #4 Mich...….(ended #5)

Yep, that's a tough way to start a year!.
 
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