Kirk Herbstreit has no credibility

I don't like it but don't see it as a outrage. Despite the loss MSU has a win over the #3 team in the county. We don't have that on our resume. I don't have a problem with them jumping us as a win over them will give us that "signature" win and we won't be left out.

I realize with the OSU loss we should be moving up the rankings, but based on my complaints of the system so far I'm not sure we should automatically climb up with a win over Purdue. I'm content with maintaining our current standings knowing our marquee game is still to come (assuming MSU beats PSU). If no marquee win, I still see a BIG10 champion getting selected (shoe in if we remain undefeated) when the final poll is released.
 
Tierney said:
I would like to see Iowa win the rest of their games, but I think they will probably lose the next three. All the Nebraska losses have been pretty close games.
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So you don't even know who they will play in the bowl game if they lose the next 2 but you just assume whoever it is will beat them?
 
kicker22 said:
I don't like it but don't see it as a outrage. Despite the loss MSU has a win over the #3 team in the county. We don't have that on our resume. I don't have a problem with them jumping us as a win over them will give us that "signature" win and we won't be left out.

I realize with the OSU loss we should be moving up the rankings, but based on my complaints of the system so far I'm not sure we should automatically climb up with a win over Purdue. I'm content with maintaining our current standings knowing our marquee game is still to come (assuming MSU beats PSU). If no marquee win, I still see a BIG10 champion getting selected (shoe in if we remain undefeated) when the final poll is released.
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One of the things the committee is supposed to look at are games against common opponents. Iowa handled Purdue much better than MSU did and both were home games, MSU did handle Indiana better but that was a home game for MSU, and the Maryland game is a wash. Iowa is without a loss yet so I don't think MSU will jump Iowa.
 
ssckelley said:
One of the things the committee is supposed to look at are games against common opponents. Iowa handled Purdue much better than MSU did and both were home games, MSU did handle Indiana better but that was a home game for MSU, and the Maryland game is a wash. Iowa is without a loss yet so I don't think MSU will jump Iowa.
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However, they are not supposed to look at margin of victory in common opponents.
 
PCHawk said:
So you don't even know who they will play in the bowl game if they lose the next 2 but you just assume whoever it is will beat them?
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If they lose their next two games, their record is still going to command one of the top teams in the country to be paired with Iowa.
 
herkish said:
At this point, the pundits are just too embarrassed to back off of their claims that IA stinks. Despite the glaring evidence to the contrary, they won't back down. How would that look if the "geniuses" were wrong? Nailed it!!

I also get the sense that anyone working at eSECpn thinks they should be the ones determining the playoff teams. I love watching those idiots question every week why Clemson is ahead of Bama (who've they've already pinned in as having won the national title). No crap. Laughable watching them trying to become part of the process. They have to go to the extreme of developing their own branded rating system just so that they can leverage their agenda. Mind numbing. Really they shouldn't even be discussing Iowa. Iowa has a path that won't change if they keep winning. Nothing to discuss. Undefeated & they are in, a loss & they watch. Debating why they are a 5 or a 3 is stupid. Iowa could be a 1 down to an 8 and the same dame scenerio has to play out.

These are just football dorks who are on t.v., no different than us here (minus the t.v. part). They're also the type (to inflate their self worth) who claim football takes some genius level thinking to be able to fully understand. Problem is, this is just a game that even 5 year olds understand. Starting to think Jon should pay me for my elite analyst skills that I bring to this site. Where's my check Jon!?

tldr;
Sorry, Herbie, you're opinion is actually valueless, but entertaining.
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ssckelley said:
I respect Herbstreit more now than I did in previous seasons. He sticks by his guns, he might be wrong (and I hope he is) but he takes a lot of grief from people and he remains relentless in his opinions. You should hear how some of the Ohio State fans talk about him, it isn't pretty. As much as I love the Hawks even I still don't feel like this is a playoff team, but I'm having a tough time finding teams that are better. IMO, there is a lot of parity in college football this year.
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In the end, I think he would also be the first to admit he missed the call on this team. Others probably would try as well, but he would be genuine about it.
 
HawkInATX said:


Yep. Straight from their own website:

When circumstances at the margins indicate that teams are comparable, then the following criteria must be considered:

  • Championships won
  • Strength of schedule
  • Head-to-head competition (if it occurred)
  • Comparative outcomes of common opponents (without incenting margin of victory)

http://www.collegefootballplayoff.com/selection-committee-protocol
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It might be in the priority matrix rules, but that is very hard to do if know the score. I think it is just human nature to let that become part of one's evaluation.
 
I don't get too jazzed about what the national media says about Iowa, mostly because our players control their own story. But the other day, Herby tweeted and made a comparison between Houston and Iowa which is just pure ridiculousness. I think Iowa fans are ******* him off. :)
 
I also remember Herbstreit saying right after the Minnesota game that if Iowa wins they are in and that Hawkeye fans had nothing to worry about.
 
Joey Galloway is and has been a staunch supporter of the Hawks rise to relevance; with each win, we've been gaining additional backers in the nat'l media....

Herby is entitled to his opinion, (and I think he is staying the course due to the overwhelming number of Hawk fans that continuously bombard him and his opinion via email and Twitter)...he will either believe after another win this weekend at Nebby or next in Indy, or he won't, but it is just only an opinion.
 
dirtwrap said:
I watched him on Gameday, and he is a of the belief that the CFB should reflect the 4 best teams at the end of the season, not who is most deserving. He even asked that question of the committee, what is our real goal here? And he is absolutely right, there has never been a clarification as to what the goal is. If we only go by the eye test at the end of the season, it makes the first half of the regular season useless. If it is solely on record, then nobody will schedule anyone. He believes right now that the teams he has above us will beat us. That's all. But I think the committee has a different agenda. I think they are valuing the regular season and appreciate how difficult it is to go undefeated no matter who you play. I will be very surprised if we are not in the top four this week, maybe even 3.
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And until you remove all subjectivity from the process, you will have the same arguments every season. But, How can you say a team that lost a game is better than one that hasn't? The 1 loss team faltered. The no loss team hasn't. Why would you not give credit to the team that hasn't faltered? Herbstreit's argument actually just proves how tough it is to remain unbeaten.
 
ColoradoHAWKEYE said:
Joey Galloway is and has been a staunch supporter of the Hawks rise to relevance; with each win, we've been gaining additional backers in the nat'l media....

Herby is entitled to his opinion, (and I think he is staying the course due to the overwhelming number of Hawk fans that continuously bombard him and his opinion via email and Twitter)...he will either believe after another win this weekend at Nebby or next in Indy, or he won't, but it is just only an opinion.
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I think Herbstreit will be a non factor after this year, I mean he picked Arizona State??? They are barely a 500 team. Maybe Herbie is in Colorado too much??
 
ArvadaHawk said:
And until you remove all subjectivity from the process, you will have the same arguments every season. But, How can you say a team that lost a game is better than one that hasn't? The 1 loss team faltered. The no loss team hasn't. Why would you not give credit to the team that hasn't faltered? Herbstreit's argument actually just proves how tough it is to remain unbeaten.
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Because the system will always favor the 'Bama's, Oklahoma's, Texas, USC, Michigan, Ohio St.'s, or the preseason top 5-10 team. They get an automatic bump because of their name/perception going into the season. That is why you simply have to expand the playoffs. The only path for a Iowa, or Baylor, or TCU, or Minnesota, or North Carolina, or 90% of schools to the playoffs is an unbeaten season.

There is no doubt that a 1 loss B1G champion should be in the playoffs. Same goes for a 1 loss ACC champ, Pac12 champ, Big12 champ. They are different leagues, they play different schedules, they play different styles, and there is no good way to say which one is better. No way should a "committee" decide who is better, when you could just let them settle it on the field. It is complete BS really, if you have a playoff, EVERY conference champ has to be let in.
 
ArvadaHawk said:
And until you remove all subjectivity from the process, you will have the same arguments every season. But, How can you say a team that lost a game is better than one that hasn't? The 1 loss team faltered. The no loss team hasn't. Why would you not give credit to the team that hasn't faltered? Herbstreit's argument actually just proves how tough it is to remain unbeaten.
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The same way that I could say Gladbrook-Reinbeck was a better team before playing Akron-Westfield in a state championship game, despite G-R having two losses and A-W being undefeated. Iowa has done everything it possibly can with the schedule it was given, but the level of competition DOES matter.
 
tm3308 said:
The same way that I could say Gladbrook-Reinbeck was a better team before playing Akron-Westfield in a state championship game, despite G-R having two losses and A-W being undefeated. Iowa has done everything it possibly can with the schedule it was given, but the level of competition DOES matter.
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Sure the level of competition "matters". And if you're saying Iowa's level of competition is "inferior", well, take YOUR ESPN FPI and "stuff" it :)

Seriously, of the Top 10 teams, a full EIGHT of them are as deserving as any of the others. I would say Stanford is a head-scratcher, as is a two-loss Michigan "right now". But that also all but explains WHY we, to reiterate an obvious cliche, "Have to let the games play out..."

Darn near anything can happen between now and 12/6...
 
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