Kirk Ferentz Downplays Stanley Being Listed No. 1 in New 2-Deep

[InGoodCo]

It also tells me that staff has an INABILITY to evaluate skills at the most crucial position on the offensive side of the ball. That gives me great faith!

3 of their last 4 starting QB's have been drafted to the NFL, they might have figured it out.

 

[mopkins]

We do know is success in developing qbs is not so great. For a long-time Big Ten coach his record on that is not up to par. That we do know.

Getting a qb to perform consistently at a high level over a duration, that has been a problem, especially in the last 10 years or so.

I'd disagree with your assessment of Iowa's QB's. Banks was a Heisman runner-up, Stanzi and CJ were drafted, Drew Tate is still playing professionally. How many other Big Ten schools have a heisman runner-up and 2 QB's drafted over the last 15 years? Thats not even including Jake Rudock who was also drafted

I'm not saying Iowa is "QB U". Iowa's QB's aren't flashy, but they aren't asked to be flashy. They're asked to play within the system and not turn the ball over.

 

[InGoodCo]

I'd disagree with your assessment of Iowa's QB's. Banks was a Heisman runner-up, Stanzi and CJ were drafted, Drew Tate is still playing professionally. How many other Big Ten schools have a heisman runner-up and 2 QB's drafted over the last 15 years? Thats not even including Jake Rudock who was also drafted

I'm not saying Iowa is "QB U". Iowa's QB's aren't flashy, but they aren't asked to be flashy. They're asked to play within the system and not turn the ball over.

Don't try and bring tangible facts to false narratives about Iowa sports on Hawkeye Nation - they are not welcome here sir.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

It also tells me that staff has an INABILITY to evaluate skills at the most crucial position on the offensive side of the ball. That gives me great faith!

Believe it or not, sometimes the players are just that close in talent. Players on Div 1 teams all have a talent set, so I'm not surprised it's difficult to evaluate or difficult for one to pull away, especially at Iowa where the team seeks a pro-style drop back QB. They will often look similar so it comes down to who grasps the offense better or who makes better decisions. Again, that can be very close as well.

There is not always going to be a contrast or huge gap in talent. I honestly feel that is what is going on here and that provides a level of comfort as it shows will have a formidable back-up, whoever it is.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

Meh....it's coach speak to keep everybody competing at the highest level. They know, but won't say. It keeps the #2 guy motivated.

I also think this is what is happening. Always good to have healthy competition at the QB spot.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

Maybe Wiegers should dial up Kurt Warner and he can talk to him about not giving up.

Maybe Wiegers should get a job at Hy Vee.

 

[InGoodCo]

I'd disagree with your assessment of Iowa's QB's. Banks was a Heisman runner-up, Stanzi and CJ were drafted, Drew Tate is still playing professionally. How many other Big Ten schools have a heisman runner-up and 2 QB's drafted over the last 15 years? Thats not even including Jake Rudock who was also drafted

I'm not saying Iowa is "QB U". Iowa's QB's aren't flashy, but they aren't asked to be flashy. They're asked to play within the system and not turn the ball over.

and actually - I'm pretty sure having 2 QB's over the last 10 years (Stanzi and CJ) probably puts Iowa pretty close to the top of the B1G with maybe MSU and maybe TOSU? And that's NOT counting Rudock?

 

[MelroseHawkins]

Let's see, prior to O'keefe coming here Stanley backed up Beathard last year. O'keefe (QB coach) comes and Stanley is named first on depth chart. I'm thinking Stanley has the edge at this point.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

I respectfully disagree with your assessment that the depth chart is released to appease the media. You're right. It does give us something to write about but I think most of us keep what is on there in perspective. I don't know of any of us asking for a depth chart in the 20 years I've covered the team.

Like the media, I think many fans enjoy the depth chart as a guide not something that's written in stone. None of us has access to practice for the most part so it's an outline of what the coaches are seeing.

I think the coaches certainly use it for motivation. For the first time ever, KF called the media together in January of '15 to release an unprecedented postseason two-deep. That was to let everyone know that CJB was the No. 1 QB ahead of JR. That certainly brought with it ramifications as JR ended up of transferring.

Michigan has done away with depth charts under Harbaugh. I'd be fine if Iowa did the same. I guess I just don't see the harm in them if you view them with the perspective of timing. A two-deep in July isn't the same as the one released the during game week.

I agree for that whole deal in 2015 that was to just sort out the QB mess that they themselves had a big part in creating. They didn't need to release the rest of the 2 deeps as the QB position was all that they were trying to convey across to everyone on that. And it served it's purpose it gave JR the time to look around and decide where he wanted to end up going. Even if the staff knew CJ was who they were going to go with the next yr they could have lead them and everyone else on by not making it public thus rolling the dice that neither would leave. In that scenario CJ may have then left due to uncertainty so I don't think the staff wanted to remotely risk that thus the unprecedented January depth chart.

It's not just the media that I feel the coaches are appeasing by releasing depth charts in either January or July or any other times that don't matter all that much. It's us fans too we love having more to digest as well. I'm as guilty of it as any. It's just that when you see some names at the top of the charts in the spring and or July and then they aren't come kickoff some folks feel duped not understanding the ebbs and flows of how circumstances change... I get it. There's kids like that LB Mends who I think was #1 at a WLB spot and then dropped to 2 and or 3. Some folks wonder how does that sort of thing happen...

 

[Hawkfnntn]

I have no issue with 2 deeps. If he was letting the kid know through the media, then that's another issues. None of us know what has been said. We do know is success in developing qbs is not so great. For a long-time Big Ten coach his record on that is not up to par. That we do know.

A coach who can get players to condition themselves nearly to hospitalization, motivation isn't the problem.

Getting a qb to perform consistently at a high level over a duration, that has been a problem, especially in the last 10 years or so.

I agree it'd sure be fun to have a QB put two or three good/great years together. When has that ever happened? I see where your going with that. Which ever QB gets it can have a shot at 2 yrs if it's Wiegers or more if it's anyone else at that...

 

[HawkGold]

I'd disagree with your assessment of Iowa's QB's. Banks was a Heisman runner-up, Stanzi and CJ were drafted, Drew Tate is still playing professionally. How many other Big Ten schools have a heisman runner-up and 2 QB's drafted over the last 15 years? Thats not even including Jake Rudock who was also drafted

I'm not saying Iowa is "QB U". Iowa's QB's aren't flashy, but they aren't asked to be flashy. They're asked to play within the system and not turn the ball over.

I figured Banks was obvious and didn't mention it. Still mad he didn't start his junior year. MSU and Wisky without looking (which are on par with Iowa) can say that and more. Illinois hasn't exactly struck out for as bad as they are.

Not trying to be argumentative, but Stanzi was likely a cheap fill in who KF helped out. Who wouldn't like Tate (except maybe KF)? CJ was drafted in spite of being from Iowa and I think we're all trying to figure that out. Wouldn't be the first NFL/Former NFL coach to think more highly of an Iowa QB than did KF.

 

[uihawk82]

How many of you are motivated by a boss making you feel insecure?

maybe kf took the Trump Univ course on

How many of you are motivated by a boss making you feel insecure?

I think KF took a course at Trump Univ in Mgmt and Human Relations Skills taught by that great manager himself, the donald. Just Kidding, KF is 10000 times better with people than that dumster fire. Uh oh being too political.

 

[guffus]

3 of their last 4 starting QB's have been drafted to the NFL, they might have figured it out.

That's impressive but I would be more impressed if just 1 of them had played at least 1 down in a regular season NFL game so far. I think the last Iowa QB to play a down in the NFL goes back to the Fry Era.

Of course, the odds are that streak may finally be broken this year.

 

[HawkGold]

maybe kf took the Trump Univ course on


I think KF took a course at Trump Univ in Mgmt and Human Relations Skills taught by that great manager himself, the donald. Just Kidding, KF is 10000 times better with people than that dumster fire. Uh oh being too political.

KF maybe failed though. KF still doesn't want to make a mistake even if it means losing. The other guy on the other hand thrives on mistakes and is much more entertaining.

 

[seepig]

So saying that two players are close in ability is equated to coaches being unable to evaluate talent. You obviously have never coached. Many times it comes to a literal flip of a coin to choose a starter.

No saying that sometimes Kirk plays or starts who he likes better. I actually have coached for 9 years. You obviously know nothing about human behavior.

 

[seepig]

So saying that two players are close in ability is equated to coaches being unable to evaluate talent. You obviously have never coached. Many times it comes to a literal flip of a coin to choose a starter.

See Stanzi v Christensen
See Beathard v Ruddock

See Kirk playing a kid that's hurt risking him getting hurt worse when the game is already over and it's a BOWL game. It's coaching malpractice.

 

[seepig]

3 of their last 4 starting QB's have been drafted to the NFL, they might have figured it out.

So I'm not talking or arguing that they're D1 so they have talent of course they do. Even the pros get it wrong see Kurt Warner so don't give me just because they got drafted they know what they are doing.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

There is a difference between a depth chart and publicly making statements. None of us know what KF has said in private.
What we do know is his track record on the success or lack of success of some qbs who come in highly rated and don't pan out as well as qbs who digress. Maybe there is a reason for that.

Anemic KF offenses are more common than not.

Been around sports a long time as player and a coach. Some coaches play not to lose. Some coaches discourage creativity and highly punish mistakes, especially when being creative.. Ironically the best QB years have generally been when KF has exactly what I just described he doesn't like. Does that mean that's what he wants or at some points has had no choices.

VB was at his best as a creative young QB.
KF tried to make Banks into a drop back QB
Stanzi's junior year was his best regardless of what stats say
The guy who went to MI
The singer's senior year v junior year.

We all have the broad view. A player does not due to 4 years max and being young.

One thing that is obvious with KF. When the Number One goes down or is out, the #2 is rarely game ready.

God, how the hell did Bowlsby and Co. blow it not hiring you when JHF retired?

 

[HawkGold]

God, how the hell did Bowlsby and Co. blow it not hiring you when JHF retired?

I've told you before. I am not God!

 

[IAHAWK1982]

No saying that sometimes Kirk plays or starts who he likes better. I actually have coached for 9 years. You obviously know nothing about human behavior.

I know plenty about human behavior. If you want to compare resumes, I spent 35 years education and 28 coaching football. I love the coaches playing favorites argument. Coaches want to win. If they play someone they like it is because they do the things that the coach teaches and expects.