KF done after this yr?

[kicker22]

A more subtle approach would be better. As is, the move shakes up the team, gives recruits an excuse to bail out, creates the public appearance of institutional instability which will particularly damage recruiting. No one knows who's going to be coaching.

Far better to have simply waited until the day after the bowl game. Tell KF that the donors won't support Brian, so you give KF a decision that doesn't have to be made right away, respects his right to choose his own coaches and the details are buried in word salad media presentations. Most coaching changes occur immediately following the final game, so there is no reason to wait for the contract to expire, just the season. Far less adverse fallout and it gives BF a chance to resign which is better than further insulting to the HC and humiliating his son.

I learned a lot in politics. Accomplishing one's objective with the least brutal method still accomplishes the objective. Keeping one's fingerprints off the murder weapon is very valuable. Blunt force is sometimes necessary but never preferable. That is the tactic of the bully, and bullies usually lack sophisticated thinking in other facets of life.

It's a very logical response and I see where you're coming from. I still stand behind my feelings with regards to the recruiting situation. I think whether BF leaves at this time or sticks around, the biggest issue is the offenses performance up to this point in the season gives as much room to bail as potential coaching changes. I definitely think after a bowl game would have been way too late, however I think this way buys you time to look outside the program during bowl season and possibly make a signing during that time as well if serious about finding someone outside the program.

I do agree with you that letting him go after the final game gives him a chance to resign, but at the same time he did agree to the asinine 325 point clause so technically I think the opportunity to save face and avoid humiliation already came and went. IMO the opportunity for him to resign has been out there quite a while and he failed to take advantage of it.

On the other hand, KF has always had control. I think the writing on the wall has been there for quite some time and now that his hand's been forced about replacing Brian I think he can focus on football like he always has. IF and a big if the move was made at the end of the season I think there's just as good a chance KF says screw it and goes with him and I think that leaves the program in a worse mess. KF still can walk at any time, but IMO he has more time to adapt and think things through rather than making a decision immediately after the offseason begins.

I totally respect your opinion tbh and I'm not one that comes from a management position, but regardless of whether we see Goetz as a bully in this situation or not, I think we can both agree on the fact that this should have been handled long before she got there and Barta never should have put her in that position in the first place. We can agree to disagree how it was handled, but its well past time to move on.

 

[oldhawk12]

That sounds pretty clear to me.

Successful people keep their true feelings inside. And what you see publicly can be altogether different. Do you believe everything you see & hear in the news? If so, you are doing it wrong.

 

[oldhawk12]

Right. Iowa has always been pretty inept at WR right? Even the Fry days that was the case. I mean, off the top of my head, I can only think of a few standout WR's to ever play at Iowa from 1980 on. Tim Dwight, Danaan Hughes, DJK, McNutt, Kahlil Hill, Kevonte Martin Manley, Soloman, ISM????and even with that list, none of those guys were considered ELITE WR recruits. Iowa has always counted on building up and propping up local Iowa kids at the WR position... so who ever we get after Kirk, I don't have a TON of hope that Iowa will suddenly just become this air raid offense that throws the ball. Iowa isn't going to be a very good school that produces WR talent.... know who you are, the last 2 coaches did, will the next one? I hope so

Under Hayden, there were countless wide receivers.
Ronnie Harmon
Robert Smith
Quinn Early
Bill Happel
Dave Moritz
Jim Mauro
Keith Chappelle
Tim Dwight
Kevin Kasper
Danan Hughes

These are just off the top of my head. He also had a ton of great QB's & running backs. Iowa football nearly always had a solid offense under Hayden Fry. Unlike Ferentz, he was a former QB.

 

[HuckFinn]

Successful people keep their true feelings inside. And what you see publicly can be altogether different. Do you believe everything you see & hear in the news? If so, you are doing it wrong.

Gee, thanks, Old. I will try to be much more careful about what I believe.

 

[Teddy]

It's a very logical response and I see where you're coming from. I still stand behind my feelings with regards to the recruiting situation. I think whether BF leaves at this time or sticks around, the biggest issue is the offenses performance up to this point in the season gives as much room to bail as potential coaching changes. I definitely think after a bowl game would have been way too late, however I think this way buys you time to look outside the program during bowl season and possibly make a signing during that time as well if serious about finding someone outside the program.

I do agree with you that letting him go after the final game gives him a chance to resign, but at the same time he did agree to the asinine 325 point clause so technically I think the opportunity to save face and avoid humiliation already came and went. IMO the opportunity for him to resign has been out there quite a while and he failed to take advantage of it.

On the other hand, KF has always had control. I think the writing on the wall has been there for quite some time and now that his hand's been forced about replacing Brian I think he can focus on football like he always has. IF and a big if the move was made at the end of the season I think there's just as good a chance KF says screw it and goes with him and I think that leaves the program in a worse mess. KF still can walk at any time, but IMO he has more time to adapt and think things through rather than making a decision immediately after the offseason begins.

I totally respect your opinion tbh and I'm not one that comes from a management position, but regardless of whether we see Goetz as a bully in this situation or not, I think we can both agree on the fact that this should have been handled long before she got there and Barta never should have put her in that position in the first place. We can agree to disagree how it was handled, but its well past time to move on.

It's the same amount of time, just one more task that requires time.

Now this next thing I will admit was difficultly learned but essential characteristics of winning: do it gracefully. Leave the loser a little something on which to hang their dignity. "Let 'em up easy", was Abe's plan for the end of the war. Same way here. Smarter for Beth too. The unnecessary humiliation has made her enemies. If this move goes bad, and say Iowa loses out, you think the timing of the move is going to be ignored? Some of the very people that complain about BF will complain about the timing of the termination, partly because those people complain about everything. But there will still be people that both like the Ferentzes and write those important $5-$25K checks.

The change should have been made following Kentucky game last season. Then again, all the injuries to key offensive positions provided an excuse.​

 

[Northside Hawk]

Under Hayden, there were countless wide receivers.
Ronnie Harmon
Robert Smith
Quinn Early
Bill Happel
Dave Moritz
Jim Mauro
Keith Chappelle
Tim Dwight
Kevin Kasper
Danan Hughes

These are just off the top of my head. He also had a ton of great QB's & running backs. Iowa football nearly always had a solid offense under Hayden Fry. Unlike Ferentz, he was a former QB.

Two of my favorites were Moritz during my high school years and Smith when I was a student. There was no stacking eight in the box when Smith was on the field. And his threat alone opened up the intermediate passes to Helverson and Happel and the running game (they could go deep too if need be)

Ask Phil Parker how good Smith was. When we played Michigan State as the #1 team in the nation in that epic Chuck Long bootleg game our first score was a bomb down the right sideline to Smith. Guess who was one of the defensive backs he beat on that play?

I remember the week of the opening game game in 1986. We were hanging out in our dorm room when a student manager who lived across from us came in and said that our season just went to hell.

Quinn Early had separated his shoulder in practice. He would end up missing half the season.

We also ended up losing Mark Vlasic, David Hudson and DT Jeff Drost for much of that year. But our season didn't go to hell. Tom Poholsky filled in for Vlasic and Jim Mauro did OK replacing Early. Steve Thomas, aka, "Trailer Hitch", filled in at nose tackle with Jon Vrieze or Jeff Schuster moving over to replace Drost before the hitch ended up on the side of the road for a couple games.

It was one of Hayden's finest coaching jobs here. Because we blew out so many teams in 1985 and early 1986 our third and fourth stringers got a lot of game reps. It helped immensely when they were thrown into the fire.

 

[haydensly]

Two of my favorites were Moritz during my high school years and Smith when I was a student. There was no stacking eight in the box when Smith was on the field. And his threat alone opened up the intermediate passes to Helverson and Happel and the running game (they could go deep too if need be)

Ask Phil Parker how good Smith was. When we played Michigan State as the #1 team in the nation in that epic Chuck Long bootleg game our first score was a bomb down the right sideline to Smith. Guess who was one of the defensive backs he beat on that play?

I remember the week of the opening game game in 1986. We were hanging out in our dorm room when a student manager who lived across from us came in and said that our season just went to hell.

Quinn Early had separated his shoulder in practice. He would end up missing half the season.

We also ended up losing Mark Vlasic, David Hudson and DT Jeff Drost for much of that year. But our season didn't go to hell. Tom Poholsky filled in for Vlasic and Jim Mauro did OK replacing Early. Steve Thomas, aka, "Trailer Hitch", filled in at nose tackle with Jon Vrieze or Jeff Schuster moving over to replace Drost before the hitch ended up on the side of the road for a couple games.

It was one of Hayden's finest coaching jobs here. Because we blew out so many teams in 1985 and early 1986 our third and fourth stringers got a lot of game reps. It helped immensely when they were thrown into the fire.

I remember the year but you remember FAR more details than I do. I love your stories.

 

[Northside Hawk]

I remember the year but you remember FAR more details than I do. I love your stories.

I could be making that stuff up however

I did go to Iowa during some of our best Hayden and Mr. Davis years (and Gable and Stringer for that matter). One of my best friends in college was a student manager and we would get invaluable scoops and inside information from him. Then I worked in cable advertising sales and broadcasting from 1991-2002 where we would get all the Hawkeye media guides sent to us and where a colleague in Cedar Rapids knew an anonymous source.

I hung on to some of those media guides long after I left MediaCom in 2002 but think I finally got rid of the last ones about five years ago or so.