Jirehl Brock Talks About Final Five, Visits, Upcoming Decision

[ArvadaHawk]

This could be one of those things that set Iowa apart. They apparently have no intention of taking his commitment, so why waste one of the kids 5 official visits he can take? So that they can keep him on the line until July 3rd when Goodson's silent verbal goes public? That, to me, is a real douche move.

Now I know, that is pure speculation on my part. But it seems as plausible as any other explanation.

The only other thing that makes sense to me is that they cooled on Brock due to some personal reason. The only evidence of this is that Purdue cooled as well. But I prefer my first thought.

or, they still recruit and accept their #1 target. why would you NOT take both brock and goodson, along with sargent? it makes no sense to me. unless brock told Iowa that he's changed his mind and iowa doesn't have a chance; but if that was the case, brock would have canceled the visit.

 

[4thngoal]

or, they still recruit and accept their #1 target. why would you NOT take both brock and goodson, along with sargent? it makes no sense to me. unless brock told Iowa that he's changed his mind and iowa doesn't have a chance; but if that was the case, brock would have canceled the visit.

Because we don't have the scholarship open for that position. We have other areas that need the what 10 spots left. We may not offer out 300 ships, but look we started by offering 5 qb's as some went off the board we offered a few more, but no way if the fifth offered accepted are we going to take the 4 before should they decide on Iowa as well. It's a honest way and a first to seize the opportunity type deal.

 

[deanvogs]

i believe they feel 100% confident with Goodson committing. My point is beyond that. You should NEVER tell your #1 "thanks, but no thanks. We're canceling your visit." You let your #1 visit. What the hell, what if you strike gold and you get all 3???!!!

or, they still recruit and accept their #1 target. why would you NOT take both brock and goodson, along with sargent? it makes no sense to me. unless brock told Iowa that he's changed his mind and iowa doesn't have a chance; but if that was the case, brock would have canceled the visit.

Why do you keep saying Brock was their #1 target? That obviously isn't the case. When Iowa has a target they want above others, they don't accept a commitment. For instance Derrick Miller wanted to commit to Iowa, but Iowa told him no, because they want other DB's before him. This tells me that they either A) Wanted Goodson more than Brock, or B) Felt they were both good and would have taken whichever committed first.

 

[GesterHawk]

Why do you keep saying Brock was their #1 target? That obviously isn't the case. When Iowa has a target they want above others, they don't accept a commitment. For instance Derrick Miller wanted to commit to Iowa, but Iowa told him no, because they want other DB's before him. This tells me that they either A) Wanted Goodson more than Brock, or B) Felt they were both good and would have taken whichever committed first.

I am going to vote for B.

 

[GesterHawk]

or, they still recruit and accept their #1 target. why would you NOT take both brock and goodson, along with sargent? it makes no sense to me. unless brock told Iowa that he's changed his mind and iowa doesn't have a chance; but if that was the case, brock would have canceled the visit.

The RB room is full. I think the coaches learned their lesson a few years back when they robbed some OLine scholarships to pick up some more receivers. The OLine has been shaky since then.

 

[#1DieHardHawk]

I think good points are being made all-around here.

On the one hand, particularly given our current situation at RB (Toks quite possibly done, Bryan coming off major injury, having to move players from other positions just to have bodies, etc.), it doesn't make a lot of sense that we wouldn't take all three.

On the other hand, perhaps the staff is very comfortable with where we stand at RB. I don't know, though, that seems like quite a gamble. What happens if Goodson changes his mind, or a Georgia or Alabama offer comes in after he commits? We could have a worse case scenario, where there is no Brock or Goodson, Toks is done, Bryan struggles to return, Evans decides he prefers slot receiver, Sargent ends up being an academic casualty and Harrell can't make the switch.

A lot will be told if Goodson ultimately commits, and Iowa has other running backs visit moving forward. If the staff brings in more RB visitors, that would be a pretty good sign that something was amiss with Brock.

 

[Fryowa]

I think good points are being made all-around here.

On the one hand, particularly given our current situation at RB (Toks quite possibly done, Bryan coming off major injury, having to move players from other positions just to have bodies, etc.), it doesn't make a lot of sense that we wouldn't take all three.

On the other hand, perhaps the staff is very comfortable with where we stand at RB. I don't know, though, that seems like quite a gamble. What happens if Goodson changes his mind, or a Georgia or Alabama offer comes in after he commits? We could have a worse case scenario, where there is no Brock or Goodson, Toks is done, Bryan struggles to return, Evans decides he prefers slot receiver, Sargent ends up being an academic casualty and Harrell can't make the switch.

A lot will be told if Goodson ultimately commits, and Iowa has other running backs visit moving forward. If the staff brings in more RB visitors, that would be a pretty good sign that something was amiss with Brock.

You can file Toks under 100% done.

 

[GesterHawk]

You can file Toks under 100% done.

For the sake of his future, I hope so. Football is just a game.

 

[Fryowa]

For the sake of his future, I hope so. Football is just a game.

He wasn't pro material, I just hope he finishes his degree. If he does, he'll have a diploma from a top school in the nation and it will be partly because of football if that's any consolation to him.

 

[deanvogs]

I think good points are being made all-around here.

On the one hand, particularly given our current situation at RB (Toks quite possibly done, Bryan coming off major injury, having to move players from other positions just to have bodies, etc.), it doesn't make a lot of sense that we wouldn't take all three.

On the other hand, perhaps the staff is very comfortable with where we stand at RB. I don't know, though, that seems like quite a gamble. What happens if Goodson changes his mind, or a Georgia or Alabama offer comes in after he commits? We could have a worse case scenario, where there is no Brock or Goodson, Toks is done, Bryan struggles to return, Evans decides he prefers slot receiver, Sargent ends up being an academic casualty and Harrell can't make the switch.

A lot will be told if Goodson ultimately commits, and Iowa has other running backs visit moving forward. If the staff brings in more RB visitors, that would be a pretty good sign that something was amiss with Brock.

I'm with you on this. I just assumed Iowa was going with 2 RB this year, it just makes sense that they bring in 2 RB this year. This is why I felt this way:

1) This assumes Toks may never play football again, which sounds like is the case
2) Besides Young and IKM we have no other backs with a college football carry
3) We only bring in Geil as a true RB per say this year.
4) Bryant is the only other "true RB" we have behind the other 3
5) Harrell and Evans just seem to me to be lineup fillers. IE kind of like Joly was, not a true RB coming in, but switched to RB, and they just don't strike me as having top end potential at the RB position

I really don't get it. If you have the chance of bringing in your top 2 targets at RB, and that would then make it possible to move Harrell or Evans to a more natural position for them, then you do it. Even bringing in the JUCO RB I think our RB position looks better next year if we have Young, IKM, Geil, Bryant, Goodson, Brock and JUCO.

Obviously the coaches see Harrell in practice and know much more than I do if he is capable of being a B1G RB. Maybe I am just way off on this, and get too focused on the RB recruit we are missing out on, that is very possible. Yet is just seems silly to let a guy you thought very highly of to just back off of him when you have flexibility on your roster to move some people and make room for him.

 

[#1DieHardHawk]

You can file Toks under 100% done.

I think that's probably accurate, but, as far as I know, nothing official has been stated either way.

 

[David79]

I'm with you on this. I just assumed Iowa was going with 2 RB this year, it just makes sense that they bring in 2 RB this year. This is why I felt this way:

1) This assumes Toks may never play football again, which sounds like is the case
2) Besides Young and IKM we have no other backs with a college football carry
3) We only bring in Geil as a true RB per say this year.
4) Bryant is the only other "true RB" we have behind the other 3
5) Harrell and Evans just seem to me to be lineup fillers. IE kind of like Joly was, not a true RB coming in, but switched to RB, and they just don't strike me as having top end potential at the RB position

I really don't get it. If you have the chance of bringing in your top 2 targets at RB, and that would then make it possible to move Harrell or Evans to a more natural position for them, then you do it. Even bringing in the JUCO RB I think our RB position looks better next year if we have Young, IKM, Geil, Bryant, Goodson, Brock and JUCO.

Obviously the coaches see Harrell in practice and know much more than I do if he is capable of being a B1G RB. Maybe I am just way off on this, and get too focused on the RB recruit we are missing out on, that is very possible. Yet is just seems silly to let a guy you thought very highly of to just back off of him when you have flexibility on your roster to move some people and make room for him.

I think RB is Evans most natural position. You now have IKM, Young, Sargent, Geil, Bryan, Harrell and Evans. Even if the last two don't work out at RB. That is still 5 RBs that are So. or younger. Even when Goodson is a freshman there won't be a single Senior on the team. I think the staff thought bringing in a little older guy in Sargent was better than signing to HS kids. Especially when there is a stud in state RB in the next class. I think IKM and Young are going to be very good RBs then next three years.

 

[ArvadaHawk]

Why do you keep saying Brock was their #1 target? That obviously isn't the case. When Iowa has a target they want above others, they don't accept a commitment. For instance Derrick Miller wanted to commit to Iowa, but Iowa told him no, because they want other DB's before him. This tells me that they either A) Wanted Goodson more than Brock, or B) Felt they were both good and would have taken whichever committed first.

well, dean, you can say it's obvious. i can only tell you other pay sights (plural) that "know a guy" would say differently. but, whatever you say, deano. are you on the iowa staff or do you take part in their meetings or do you know someone on the iowa staff that relays this info to you? just curious.

 

[tksirius]

well, dean, you can say it's obvious. i can only tell you other pay sights (plural) that "know a guy" would say differently. but, whatever you say, deano. are you on the iowa staff or do you take part in their meetings or do you know someone on the iowa staff that relays this info to you? just curious.

Dean's made it clear he's a charlatan.

 

[ArvadaHawk]

Dean's made it clear he's a charlatan.

he's a defender of the crown. a loyalist.

 

[ArvadaHawk]

The RB room is full. I think the coaches learned their lesson a few years back when they robbed some OLine scholarships to pick up some more receivers. The OLine has been shaky since then.

gester, any idea how many scholarship DB's we have right now?

 

[deanvogs]

well, dean, you can say it's obvious. i can only tell you other pay sights (plural) that "know a guy" would say differently. but, whatever you say, deano. are you on the iowa staff or do you take part in their meetings or do you know someone on the iowa staff that relays this info to you? just curious.

Never said I am in "staff meeting". It is easy to tell what they think of a recruit by how they act. They routinely stop players from committing if they are waiting on another kid to decide. Like I cited with Derrick Miller, he wanted to commit to Iowa, and the coaches said no, they are wanting other DB prospects more. If they really wanted Brock more, they would wait for him.

It is just my opinion, I have no hard proof of any of this, but it makes logical sense to me from the behavior of the coaches in the past. I'm sorry you are insulted by this, I think this is obvious, you don't, so maybe it isn't so obvious after all.

 

[deanvogs]

Dean's made it clear he's a charlatan.

I'm not as bad as the guy who was claiming DJ Carton was a Shooting Guard.

 

[ArvadaHawk]

Never said I am in "staff meeting". It is easy to tell what they think of a recruit by how they act. They routinely stop players from committing if they are waiting on another kid to decide. Like I cited with Derrick Miller, he wanted to commit to Iowa, and the coaches said no, they are wanting other DB prospects more. If they really wanted Brock more, they would wait for him.

It is just my opinion, I have no hard proof of any of this, but it makes logical sense to me from the behavior of the coaches in the past. I'm sorry you are insulted by this, I think this is obvious, you don't, so maybe it isn't so obvious after all.

You said it was obvious. that's a definitive statement. an absolute.

So okay, maybe you got a bit over zealous, i get it.

But your opinion isn't anything more than mine. Your logic isn't anything more than mine. But my logic includes the shortsightedness of proactively canceling a visit. every school hands out conditional offers. Some kids want to jump the gun and they're reminded the offer is conditional. That isn't what happened in this case. your example doesn't match the situation. iowa, essentially, pulled the offer.

 

[tksirius]

The charlatan thing has been in dean's family for several generations. Proceed with caution.