ISU Golfer Found Murdered Yesterday

EstronHawkKing said:
How many of you here have young kids who are looking forward to Halloween next month? Will you let them go out by themselves to trick or treat or even with a small group of friends without adult supervision? Most parents won't these days'. When I grew up as a kid in the 70's through the 80's, our parents never went with us.
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My daughter is 28. She trick-or-treated with friends late-1990s to early-2000s in a pretty secure neighborhood, while we adults accompanied the younger siblings of her friends. They knew not to go outside the subdivision, and they got enough candy, so it really wasn't an issue. Now, I won't even open the door for trick-or-treaters UNLESS I know who they are.

These days there are so many "community" events put on by cities, park/rec departments, shopping malls, etc., so safety is pretty good. But for kids who want to go door-to-door? Not worth the risk, IMO.
 
ThunderHawk said:
The vast majority of these judges aren't putting their asses on the line to be lenient with these degenerates. They're following protocol and sentencing guidelines in light of finite resources. You can bet your ass that many of these judges would like to shove these recidivists into the clink for as long as humanly possible. Can you imagine the shit train of human degeneracy they see every day?
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The budget aspect is huge both on convictions and incarceration. We already lock up more as a percent than any other society. It's a huge cost. I hope they never get to having a private system in Iowa.
 
hawkeyebob62 said:
All good. As long as golf clubs are involved, of course. As in, "Officer, he seemed fine even AFTER I hit him in the nuts with the 6-iron. It never occurred to me that him swallowing nuggets his would cause him to fall in front of that bus..."
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With my system...I feel like I need to name it...How about "Thunder's Halting Obvious Recidivism," or THOR for short...

Under THOR, you'd never reach the point where golf clubs were necessary for punitive purposes. Under THOR, this derelict tweaker would have been feeding worms long ago.
 
ThunderHawk said:
With my system...I feel like I need to name it...How about "Thunder's Halting Obvious Recidivism," or THOR for short...

Under THOR, you'd never reach the point where golf clubs were necessary for punitive purposes. Under THOR, this derelict tweaker would have been feeding worms long ago.
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Unfortunately, "obvious" is in the eyes of the ones seeking reelection...
 
HawkGold said:
The budget aspect is huge both on convictions and incarceration. We already lock up more as a percent than any other society. It's a huge cost. I hope they never get to having a private system in Iowa.
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Anyone imprisoned for possession of marijuana without intent to distribute should be released immediately and their record expunged. Right now. Get them out of prison, they're wasting space, wasting time, and wasting their lives with absolutely no benefit to society.
 
MelroseHawkins said:
Boy, this came from L field. I wouldn't go on to say that KF doesn't like Iowa. He's had multiple chances to move on and if he wasn't that keen of Iowa I don't think he'd set his son up to live and raise a family here. I actually have an opinion that KF thinks Iowa is a pretty decent place to raise a family. The guy is in his 60's (I think), so he would have made a life detour if he really thought he needed to. He might not like his creepy neighbors, but I think he generally likes Iowa.
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For another thread. I think he likes the gig a lot. He seems to tolerate Iowa as a state (climate, size, location). And yes a great place to raise a family. And I think it still is even with terrible occurrences such as this one.
 
hawkeyebob62 said:
Unfortunately, "obvious" is in the eyes of the ones seeking reelection...
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I think "obvious" is pretty self-explanatory. In any event, THOR is going to be a clandestine operation cloaked in layers of plausible deniability, so electoral politics will have nothing to do with it.
 
hawkeyebob62 said:
My daughter is 28. She trick-or-treated with friends late-1990s to early-2000s in a pretty secure neighborhood, while we adults accompanied the younger siblings of her friends. They knew not to go outside the subdivision, and they got enough candy, so it really wasn't an issue. Now, I won't even open the door for trick-or-treaters UNLESS I know who they are.

These days there are so many "community" events put on by cities, park/rec departments, shopping malls, etc., so safety is pretty good. But for kids who want to go door-to-door? Not worth the risk, IMO.
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I'll open the door. There is nobody who could come to my door that I couldn't kick the living shit out of.
 
MelroseHawkins said:
Great point. Suppress the majority to appease the minority. So, pretty much put the public at risk and a complete random young lady paid for it. Sickening.
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The vocal minority seem to get their way more times than they should... The majority is often too busy working and living their lives to pay attention or care enough to act in any way... It's why there's been some head scratching elections won and lost during our lifetimes... Both local and nationally. Not trying to go all political or anything it just is what it is
 
EstronHawkKing said:
Two weeks ago I went to a local small town to use their track (the school is a few miles away, so they don't use it for PE class, and the track is in the middle of no-where surrounded by corn fields.) As I was jogging a woman pulled into the parking lot and sat in her vehicle for a few minutes watching me (we were the only two there.) I could see her looking at me, she then moved her car to the area where the gate was to walk out onto the track, but she didn't get out. She then pulled back over to the original spot she was at when she pulled in, got out and instead of coming onto the track (she was wearing workout clothing) She then went to the sidewalk and took off walking down the road. About 20 minutes later she returned and got back in her car and she sat there for a few minutes watching me before driving off. My gut feeling is that she was afraid to come onto the track with me not knowing who I was and that no one else was around. It made me feel awkward, it was a weird feeling that she would be afraid of me, but she must be a local since she drove off headed back towards town and I am not from that area. Either that, or she was just too intimidated by my good looks:) But, this did happen, and I felt bad if she really was afraid to use the track when I was there for fear that she may thought that I would try to harm her. It was both a weird and bad feeling.
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Dude you were about 2 minutes and a Stoli shot of courage from getting whacked. She was prolly hired on an life insurance hit job but couldn't quite ascertain with enough certainty whether you were the correct target.
 
MelroseHawkins said:
Yep, this social crap is effecting some individuals quality of life.
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Dude, it's media. These sorts of things have happened forever, but at the end of the day, a woman or child is like 1000 times more likely to be abused or killed by someone they know than by a stranger, but if this was a 22 year old girl who got shot by her boyfriend in the parking lot of a McDonald's in suburban Chicago, it would be a 3 paragraph article on page C7 of the local fishwrap. The domestic violence killing is probably several hundred more times likely to happen than the random murder like this and the gal in Brooklyn, but the stranger killings get thousands of times more media attention which causes people to mischaracterize risk. Same shit happens after a plane crash. I'm not even going to go into political stuff, but I saw a lot of people go berzerk from 2009 to 2017 and I've seen a lot of other people go berzerk from 2016 through the present. The media is a fucking disease in this country. "Oh, you're feeling depressed or paranoid after our story telling you that someone is going to kill you or the government is going to come take your guns/start a nuclear war/whatever? Well, stay tuned for this word from our sponsor (whose industry, by the way, accounts for over half of the advertising revenue we receive...)"

[INSERT ANTI-DEPRESSANT COMMERCIAL HERE]
 
Hawkfnntn said:
The vocal minority seem to get their way more times than they should... The majority is often too busy working and living their lives to pay attention or care enough to act in any way... It's why there's been some head scratching elections won and lost during our lifetimes... Both local and nationally. Not trying to go all political or anything it just is what it is
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A dedicated and focused minority will often outlast and overtake an apathetic majority. This can be used to beneficent ends, but more often is not.
 
EstronHawkKing said:
Two weeks ago I went to a local small town to use their track (the school is a few miles away, so they don't use it for PE class, and the track is in the middle of no-where surrounded by corn fields.) As I was jogging a woman pulled into the parking lot and sat in her vehicle for a few minutes watching me (we were the only two there.) I could see her looking at me, she then moved her car to the area where the gate was to walk out onto the track, but she didn't get out. She then pulled back over to the original spot she was at when she pulled in, got out and instead of coming onto the track (she was wearing workout clothing) She then went to the sidewalk and took off walking down the road. About 20 minutes later she returned and got back in her car and she sat there for a few minutes watching me before driving off. My gut feeling is that she was afraid to come onto the track with me not knowing who I was and that no one else was around. It made me feel awkward, it was a weird feeling that she would be afraid of me, but she must be a local since she drove off headed back towards town and I am not from that area. Either that, or she was just too intimidated by my good looks:) But, this did happen, and I felt bad if she really was afraid to use the track when I was there for fear that she may thought that I would try to harm her. It was both a weird and bad feeling.
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If you had that Hawk helmet on, it was fro sure your good looks... :)
 
ThunderHawk said:
I have a plan, a system if you will, for dealing with individuals like this...but it's a little, shall we say, extralegal.

"Unfortunate accidents" are a major component of it.
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Maybe we could institute a handful of Sharia Law tribunals just for certain recidivists. It's really win-win. Tough on crime conservatives would be in favor of the harsher punishments and soft on crime liberals can pat themselves on the back for multiculturalism.
 
EstronHawkKing said:
How many of you here have young kids who are looking forward to Halloween next month? Will you let them go out by themselves to trick or treat or even with a small group of friends without adult supervision? Most parents won't these days'. When I grew up as a kid in the 70's through the 80's, our parents never went with us.
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Mine dropped my brother and I off at one part of the small town we lived at of about 300 people (if the weather cooperated there were a few nasty ones it didn't) and picked us up at the other side of town. Everyone knew just about everyone and it was as American as apple pie. As you said even at a small town like that now you won't see much of that anymore... Let alone taking kids to neighborhoods where everyone are strangers
 
okeefe4prez said:
Dude, it's media. These sorts of things have happened forever, but at the end of the day, a woman or child is like 1000 times more likely to be abused or killed by someone they know than by a stranger, but if this was a 22 year old girl who got shot by her boyfriend in the parking lot of a McDonald's in suburban Chicago, it would be a 3 paragraph article on page C7 of the local fishwrap. The domestic violence killing is probably several hundred more times likely to happen than the random murder like this and the gal in Brooklyn, but the stranger killings get thousands of times more media attention which causes people to mischaracterize risk. Same shit happens after a plane crash. I'm not even going to go into political stuff, but I saw a lot of people go berzerk from 2009 to 2017 and I've seen a lot of other people go berzerk from 2016 through the present. The media is a fucking disease in this country. "Oh, you're feeling depressed or paranoid after our story telling you that someone is going to kill you or the government is going to come take your guns/start a nuclear war/whatever? Well, stay tuned for this word from our sponsor (whose industry, by the way, accounts for over half of the advertising revenue we receive...)"

[INSERT ANTI-DEPRESSANT COMMERCIAL HERE]
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This is an important point. It often seems that media hype is inversely related to actual risk. Getting burka-blasted by a terrorist is a terrible way to die, but you're far more likely to get ushered off of this rock in just about any other way.
 
hawkeyebob62 said:
My daughter is 28. She trick-or-treated with friends late-1990s to early-2000s in a pretty secure neighborhood, while we adults accompanied the younger siblings of her friends. They knew not to go outside the subdivision, and they got enough candy, so it really wasn't an issue. Now, I won't even open the door for trick-or-treaters UNLESS I know who they are.
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My grandmother handwrote memoirs of her life. Great stuff. Stories about the Great Depression, World War II, how she felt during the Cuban Missile Crisis. After reading her life story, I'll be damned if I'm EVER going to surrender the traditions and fabric of this country over completely made up risks that the news puts on every day. And that especially includes Halloween. We live in a truly blessed time and we have a duty to imbue our children with a sense of trusting each other, not fearing our neighbors. Sure, if there's some creepy guy who you think has a dungeon in his basement, steer clear, but a blanket fear of people on this level is just absurd. Shit, I still remember in the early '80's having my mom refuse to let us eat Halloween candy until we took it to the hospital to have it x-rayed to make sure there were no needles or razor blades in it. It was absurd, there was no effin' way our neighbors were going to put razor blades in candy. But the news scared the ever living shit out of people. So maybe the world wasn't safer back then, maybe it was, but if you watched the news, it sure seemed dangerous.
 
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