Is it me or is this board more active...

It's black and white when it's a road B1G game against a competent opponent. The only bad losses in the B1G this season would be to IL or Rutgers. A bad loss is losing at home to North Dakota State, losing to ISU ever, losing to a MAC school (all of which Iowa has done). You wanna call those bad? I am with you.This was just a loss IMO which doesn't make it feel any better, just IMO more justifiable when you take into consideration where it was and who it was against. When we look back at KF's bad losses while at Iowa, I doubt this even makes the list.

I don't feel the same about the 2 losses, but both were something I wouldn't really consider a "bad" loss. I reserve those for when they actually happen.
You're making the assumption that all standards (what's bad or not) are the same and in this case going strictly by what Las Vegas says.

If you agree that everyone has different standards, I'd think you could also agree that there are better measuring sticks than purely betting odds.
 
You're making the assumption that all standards (what's bad or not) are the same and in this case going strictly by what Las Vegas says.

If you agree that everyone has different standards, I'd think you could also agree that there are better measuring sticks than purely betting odds.


Absolutely - I could care less about Vegas odds, though it is necessary to point out that Iowa was the actual dog in this...but a 3 pt road spread is essentially saying it was a toss up game... that Iowa would likely be favored if it were neutral. I take all that out and look at Iowa's history playing in East Lansing. A place that they've won, what ... 4 times in the last 30 years? And I say to myself, that's not a bad loss.
 
I'm a Gopher fan, so I hold my opinion on the Hawkeyes early in the season. That said, Iowa typically plays a really weak first three games. I know, I know, so does Minny, but we're talking about the Hawkeyes right now.

Getting back to weaklings (e.g. this year, WY, ISU, NTx; 2016 Mi-Oh, ISU, NDSU; 2015 IlSt, ISU, NTx), Iowa is expected to win and often looks impressive doing so. When this occurs, the Iowa fan base is hopeful the team is for real, but knows they are playing weak opponents, so there isn't anything to chirp about other than speculation about the team's prospects when the Big10 schedule arrives.

Still, even in the Big10, there are cream puffs (typically Rutgers, Maryland, Purdue, Illinois) and middle-tier teams (typically Minny, Nebraska, NW) and good teams (tOSU, Penn State, Mich, Mich State, Wisc). I realize these teams experience ups/downs, but generally you follow. What's interesting is some of the cream puffs have really improved this year (e.g. everyone chalked up Purdue as a Win with high confidence, but Brohm has already turned that team around. Maryland appears much improved as well, but the Hawks don't get them or Rutgers.).

To answer your question Rob, the Hawkeyes are two games into their "real schedule" and the annual debate about Ferentz's predictive scheme has just started, along with speculation as to who this team is. And, so you have the pessimistic fans active on the boards along with those fans that hope some changes in scheme and a bit of good luck will change the fortune of the season.

You guys are at an interesting inflection point! A definite win against Illinois and then a bye week will get the fan base optimistic. However, NW, Minny, Purdue and Nebraska are all toss ups imo. Ohio State and Wisky are definite losses. Yea, yea, you beat Michigan last year and almost beat Penn State this year. Well, the Penn State game could have easily been a 3 score win for PSU with all their yards and time in the red zone. All that said, 8-4 is a possibility for Iowa, but so is 4-8.

My outside take on the Hawkeyes. Obviously something is wrong with your running game. In the first few games there was a bunch of naked bootlegs off the predictive stretch play which worked well for some easy short passes for Stanley. However, I din't think Iowa ran any play action or naked boots vs MSU and PSU? The running game has struggled all year rally - WY even appeared to have it figured out (138 yds) and Cyclones did ok stopping the run (164 yds). However, 82 yds and 19 yds rushing vs PSU and MSU has got to invoke change, no?!? It will be interesting to see if team Ferentz keeps the same scheme against the weak Ilini or use the time to try some new stuff and use the game to get better against one of the weakest P5 teams in the country. Candidly, Brian Ferentz is pretty limited with innovation with Stanley back there. He's not mobile and has ball control issues (what's that 4 fumbles lost for him already).

Zone blocking/power running works against inferior competition, but the competition isn't necessarily inferior after Illinois. As for the passing game, Stanley put up nice numbers (12 TDs on 1 Int) against the early season's inferior opponents, but still needed a great deal of good fortune, good play calling by Brian Ferentz and good athletes making plays to produce them (e.g. easy throws such as flairs, screens, bubbles and outs turning in to TDs ). He also had a tumbling tipped ball fall into the right hands. From there, a nice seam pass to Fant and a couple longs circus catches for TDs against ISU and WY have kept the fan base hopeful. Truth is, Brian Ferentz has been doing a great job making it as simple /easy as possible for Stanley. Think about a single throw that Stanley has made that had any degree of risk associated to it. No tight windows and very few passes in the center of the field. Again, mostly flairs, bubbles, outs and long passes that either hit (usually they don't) or fall harmlessly to the turf. Point is, Brian Ferentz built up Stanley's confidence with simple, effective, very low risk passing. Apparently, Stanley has been given the authority to check out of different runs which worked against him in both the PSU and MSU games. The O-line gets blitzed constantly and has held up pretty well with only 11 sacks thus far and 7 of those coming against PSU and MSU. Stanley isn't a threat to run (ranks 128 in Run EPA of all QBs on ESPN Total QBR) and really doesn't worry the opposing team with scrambles - he's had wide open fields to get scramble yards, yet gets tracked down quickly, rarely making a first down in a wide open field. So, no reason to have a LB stay and shadow him, which adds one more defender in coverage.

Meanwhile the defense has held up pretty well. Every opposing coach called it a "soft D" keeping the plays in front of them and making the other team execute, The Hawks do not blitz often and the D-line has done a good job of pressure bringing 4 with minimal stunts.

That's Iowa football. Very straight forward, predictable, no innovation. Works well against the cream puffs and mid-tiers, gives you a chance against the good ones. What will be interesting is will it be 8-4 or 4-8 or somewhere in the middle.

A Gopher's 3rd party two cents. Proceed with the Minnesota and Fleck jokes.....Now!
 
I'm a Gopher fan, so I hold my opinion on the Hawkeyes early in the season. That said, Iowa typically plays a really weak first three games. I know, I know, so does Minny, but we're talking about the Hawkeyes right now.

Getting back to weaklings (e.g. this year, WY, ISU, NTx; 2016 Mi-Oh, ISU, NDSU; 2015 IlSt, ISU, NTx), Iowa is expected to win and often looks impressive doing so. When this occurs, the Iowa fan base is hopeful the team is for real, but knows they are playing weak opponents, so there isn't anything to chirp about other than speculation about the team's prospects when the Big10 schedule arrives.

Still, even in the Big10, there are cream puffs (typically Rutgers, Maryland, Purdue, Illinois) and middle-tier teams (typically Minny, Nebraska, NW) and good teams (tOSU, Penn State, Mich, Mich State, Wisc). I realize these teams experience ups/downs, but generally you follow. What's interesting is some of the cream puffs have really improved this year (e.g. everyone chalked up Purdue as a Win with high confidence, but Brohm has already turned that team around. Maryland appears much improved as well, but the Hawks don't get them or Rutgers.).

To answer your question Rob, the Hawkeyes are two games into their "real schedule" and the annual debate about Ferentz's predictive scheme has just started, along with speculation as to who this team is. And, so you have the pessimistic fans active on the boards along with those fans that hope some changes in scheme and a bit of good luck will change the fortune of the season.

You guys are at an interesting inflection point! A definite win against Illinois and then a bye week will get the fan base optimistic. However, NW, Minny, Purdue and Nebraska are all toss ups imo. Ohio State and Wisky are definite losses. Yea, yea, you beat Michigan last year and almost beat Penn State this year. Well, the Penn State game could have easily been a 3 score win for PSU with all their yards and time in the red zone. All that said, 8-4 is a possibility for Iowa, but so is 4-8.

My outside take on the Hawkeyes. Obviously something is wrong with your running game. In the first few games there was a bunch of naked bootlegs off the predictive stretch play which worked well for some easy short passes for Stanley. However, I din't think Iowa ran any play action or naked boots vs MSU and PSU? The running game has struggled all year rally - WY even appeared to have it figured out (138 yds) and Cyclones did ok stopping the run (164 yds). However, 82 yds and 19 yds rushing vs PSU and MSU has got to invoke change, no?!? It will be interesting to see if team Ferentz keeps the same scheme against the weak Ilini or use the time to try some new stuff and use the game to get better against one of the weakest P5 teams in the country. Candidly, Brian Ferentz is pretty limited with innovation with Stanley back there. He's not mobile and has ball control issues (what's that 4 fumbles lost for him already).

Zone blocking/power running works against inferior competition, but the competition isn't necessarily inferior after Illinois. As for the passing game, Stanley put up nice numbers (12 TDs on 1 Int) against the early season's inferior opponents, but still needed a great deal of good fortune, good play calling by Brian Ferentz and good athletes making plays to produce them (e.g. easy throws such as flairs, screens, bubbles and outs turning in to TDs ). He also had a tumbling tipped ball fall into the right hands. From there, a nice seam pass to Fant and a couple longs circus catches for TDs against ISU and WY have kept the fan base hopeful. Truth is, Brian Ferentz has been doing a great job making it as simple /easy as possible for Stanley. Think about a single throw that Stanley has made that had any degree of risk associated to it. No tight windows and very few passes in the center of the field. Again, mostly flairs, bubbles, outs and long passes that either hit (usually they don't) or fall harmlessly to the turf. Point is, Brian Ferentz built up Stanley's confidence with simple, effective, very low risk passing. Apparently, Stanley has been given the authority to check out of different runs which worked against him in both the PSU and MSU games. The O-line gets blitzed constantly and has held up pretty well with only 11 sacks thus far and 7 of those coming against PSU and MSU. Stanley isn't a threat to run (ranks 128 in Run EPA of all QBs on ESPN Total QBR) and really doesn't worry the opposing team with scrambles - he's had wide open fields to get scramble yards, yet gets tracked down quickly, rarely making a first down in a wide open field. So, no reason to have a LB stay and shadow him, which adds one more defender in coverage.

Meanwhile the defense has held up pretty well. Every opposing coach called it a "soft D" keeping the plays in front of them and making the other team execute, The Hawks do not blitz often and the D-line has done a good job of pressure bringing 4 with minimal stunts.

That's Iowa football. Very straight forward, predictable, no innovation. Works well against the cream puffs and mid-tiers, gives you a chance against the good ones. What will be interesting is will it be 8-4 or 4-8 or somewhere in the middle.

A Gopher's 3rd party two cents. Proceed with the Minnesota and Fleck jokes.....Now!

PJ likes your Elite post. Oh who am I kidding TL;DR
 
I keep coming back to get called names by the mods! Picked myself up a great Jon screenshot from tonight to add to my Howe one from a few months ago. Hoping these come in handy one day! WooHoo!!
Uhhhh... yet here you are. I would be very supportive of you avoiding this board always.
normally dean is too good for us common folks. He prefers chumming it up on the exclusive side of the site. But sometimes he graces us with his presence to show us how much he doesn't know about footy ball.
 
I keep coming back to get called names by the mods! Picked myself up a great Jon screenshot from tonight to add to my Howe one from a few months ago. Hoping these come in handy one day! WooHoo!!

normally dean is too good for us common folks. He prefers chumming it up on the exclusive side of the site. But sometimes he graces us with his presence to show us how much he doesn't know about footy ball.

Not sure what you are talking about. I have never minded getting in the slop and rolling around with the Dirty 30. You are right, you need to talk to Hawkgold if you wanna talk soccer.
 
Please stop with how elite MSU is. They were 3-9 last season and will be lucky to win 6 games this year.
Last year means dick in college football. We're one year removed from losing to an FCS team AND beating the #3 team in FBS. I'm not saying everything is rosy, but pointing to last year's results means nothing.
 
I would consider losing at home to Maryland and their 5th string QB a "bad loss"
I'm still ticked at Deace!

I had the jingle "John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt" stuck in my head for 3 days!
 
Please stop with how elite MSU is. They were 3-9 last season and will be lucky to win 6 games this year.

I think you might be the one with reading issues when I clearly didn't say MSU was elite. I said, they've been among CFB elite for the last decade, they were the favorite and Iowa doesn't win in East Lansing often. Not sure why I have feel upset over losing a game that odds said wasn't in Iowa's favor.
 
I'm a Gopher fan, so I hold my opinion on the Hawkeyes early in the season. That said, Iowa typically plays a really weak first three games. I know, I know, so does Minny, but we're talking about the Hawkeyes right now...................
A Gopher's 3rd party two cents. Proceed with the Minnesota and Fleck jokes.....Now!


Thank you Gopher fan who hates Iowa. Nice to have another perspective. However that POV is not new or fresh.

Iowa is the mendoza line of the Big Ten and maybe college football. Has been that way frequently

Hope everyone has a great day today. I'll leave you with this

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Decide not to complain

Decide not to complain about anything today. Instead, come up with some ideas for using your time more productively.

When you find yourself ready to complain about anything, stop and think of a way to replace that negative complaint with a positive suggestion. Just imagine how powerfully and positively that simple step could influence your work and your relationships with others.

Think of how much it could reduce your level of stress. And what about all of those silent complaints you utter to yourself? Rather than letting them steal your precious time, resolve to do something about them.
When you find a complaint coming on, step forward and take positive, productive action instead. Use your time and energy for accomplishing great things, not for worrying about blame or spreading criticism.

Whenever you have the urge to complain, stop right where you are. Challenge yourself to come up with a positive alternative. Make it into an opportunity, turn it into an accomplishment. Rather than looking behind you and complaining about it. Look ahead and do something positive about it.
 
Well I'll let my kids know that they should expect me to be MUCH harder on them since they are the same as a major conference power 5 program according to some moron on the internet.
It just means you really don't grasp the concept of P5 football. Over the last 36 years Iowa is a top 25 P5 winning % team. That is winning 7.5 games per year. You call that "not stepping on your dick". You call that just winnings a shitty oatmeal eating contest. Yet history shows if you can do that year in and year out, you are actually a top 25 P5 program.

My point is you think that winning football games is easy, should be no problem. The fact is winning 7.5 games per year over 18, 19 years is freaking hard. Doing it over 36 years is even harder.

So yeah, I assume you are the same stupid idiot in your every day life as you are on here.

This kind of exchange on this type of thread always cracks me up. Not because anyone has said anything clever. It's because the posts are so ironic...

The one poster wants the other poster to stop posting a certain way because it's disrespectful of what?? Of Iowa football? NO. Same poster wanting the 'disrespect to stop' is the same poster who will be front and center in the discussions of the bad OC, like GD or KOK. The too many snaps the defense has to endure. The lack of running game the offense puts forth.

If you ask me, the disrespect one poster feels comes from style of play exhibited by an OC or advocated by a poster. IRONY. Oh, and the name calling has to stop. It's evident neither is prescient or numbskullish.
 
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Decide not to complain
By posting this, aren't you complaining about complainers?

A fine line between a suggestion and a complaint, no? All in the eye of the beholder?

I wish people these days would "decide not to be offended". ( not pointing at you, NC)
 
I think we notice problems when we win, but are not compelled to write about them until we lose. My case anyway. It is a way to vent.

Exactly. Had we escaped MSU with a win somehow, there were obvious flaws, but we wouldn't necessarily vocalize that until we suffer a loss because those flaws go uncorrected.
Additionally, as well as we played Penn State and at other times this year, the best team we've beaten is ISU which is traditionally a 3 win team and doesn't provide much cause to boast on the message boards following the game.
 
Last year means dick in college football. We're one year removed from losing to an FCS team AND beating the #3 team in FBS. I'm not saying everything is rosy, but pointing to last year's results means nothing.
Prior years results don't mean anything? Darn, tell that to the folks on this board that keep bringing up 12-0.
 

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