Is it me or is this board more active...

[deanvogs]

Prior years results don't mean anything? Darn, tell that to the folks on this board that keep bringing up 12-0.

I know that 12-0 season really pisses you off. Buck up, someday fans will forget about it, and then it won’t haunt you so much.

 

[OkstHawk]

I know that 12-0 season really pisses you off. Buck up, someday fans will forget about it, and then it won’t haunt you so much.

Perhaps you should go back and read the exchange before responding. But so glad you came out from behind the exclusivity wall to join us commoners. Conversation must be pretty boring back there if you're back out here.

 

[InGoodCo]

12-0 doesn't mean anything for this season, but you can't dismiss it when you are discussing the state of the program in general. Iowa is average team this year it appears, hopefully a peg above average. They've shown indications that it could go either way, so I am not ready to just completely bury this team. But let's just STOP acting like this is what Iowa ALWAYS is. They aren't, they've shown that, we watched it.

 

[deanvogs]

Perhaps you should go back and read the exchange before responding. But so glad you came out from behind the exclusivity wall to join us commoners. Conversation must be pretty boring back there if you're back out here.

I did look at the exchange, and that is exactly what prompted my response.

Nobody brought up 2015. Nobody said this was a 12-0 team. Someone brought up MSU past record, and for some reason you take a shot a Hawk fans who enjoyed the 2015 season.

I do like to come out from my ivory tower and mix it up with the Dirty 30, always have, always will.

 

[Fryowa]

12-0 doesn't mean anything for this season, but you can't dismiss it when you are discussing the state of the program in general.

Yes we can, because it was a fluke due to the weakest schedule since they split the Big Ten (or any schedule I can think of before that), coupled with getting lucky breaks numerous times during games. If that season wasn't completely surrounded on both sides by 5, 6, and 8 loss seasons then you might have a point.

I enjoyed 2015 thoroughly and it was super special for my 10 year old and I. Wouldn't trade it for the world. But it was anything but indicative of Iowa football.

"The state of the program in general" is 7-8 win seasons which puts you at 4th in the west and 7th B1G overall. Nobody can argue that it's right there in black and white. If you're happy with that perennially more power to you, but that's not success.

And I don't care to look at how many teams are worse or whatever so you don't have to bring that up...it's the defeatist, roll over and die, way to see things. No one ever made success for themselves by counting the number of people who were shittier at something than they were. The only thing that does is made people who suck at something feel better about themselves. It does nothing of substance. That's like someone who runs a 5K and looks at how many people were slower than them instead of how far down the list they were, so they feel like they were fast. That's a little kid attitude.

Do I want things to change? Sure I do. I'd love to have Wisconsin's program. Are things going to change? Nope. Not as long as Ferentzball is around and there's no good replacement out there (for the record and so I don't get accused of hating Ferentz, I am not advocating getting rid of him). But I refuse to act like we're in some sort of eventual track towards the top of the Big10 West. That's for Nebraskans.

 

[OkstHawk]

Yes we can, because it was a fluke due to the weakest schedule since they split the Big Ten (or any schedule I can think of before that), coupled with getting lucky breaks numerous times during games. If that season wasn't completely surrounded on both sides by 5, 6, and 8 loss seasons then you might have a point.

I enjoyed 2015 thoroughly and it was super special for my 10 year old and I. Wouldn't trade it for the world. But it was anything but indicative of Iowa football.

"The state of the program in general" is 7-8 win seasons which puts you at 4th in the west and 7th B1G overall. Nobody can argue that it's right there in black and white. If you're happy with that perennially more power to you, but that's not success.

And I don't care to look at how many teams are worse or whatever so you don't have to bring that up...it's the defeatist, roll over and die, way to see things. No one ever made success for themselves by counting the number of people who were shittier at something than they were. The only thing that does is made people who suck at something feel better about themselves. It does nothing of substance. That's like someone who runs a 5K and looks at how many people were slower than them instead of how far down the list they were, so they feel like they were fast. That's a little kid attitude.

Do I want things to change? Sure I do. I'd love to have Wisconsin's program. Are things going to change? Nope. Not as long as Ferentzball is around and there's no good replacement out there (for the record and so I don't get accused of hating Ferentz, I am not advocating getting rid of him). But I refuse to act like we're in some sort of eventual track towards the top of the Big10 West. That's for Nebraskans.

Yep.

 

[OkstHawk]

I did look at the exchange, and that is exactly what prompted my response.

Nobody brought up 2015. Nobody said this was a 12-0 team. Someone brought up MSU past record, and for some reason you take a shot a Hawk fans who enjoyed the 2015 season.

I do like to come out from my ivory tower and mix it up with the Dirty 30, always have, always will.

Nope.

 

[deanvogs]

Yes we can, because it was a fluke due to the weakest schedule since they split the Big Ten (or any schedule I can think of before that), coupled with getting lucky breaks numerous times during games. If that season wasn't completely surrounded on both sides by 5, 6, and 8 loss seasons then you might have a point.

I enjoyed 2015 thoroughly and it was super special for my 10 year old and I. Wouldn't trade it for the world. But it was anything but indicative of Iowa football.

"The state of the program in general" is 7-8 win seasons which puts you at 4th in the west and 7th B1G overall. Nobody can argue that it's right there in black and white. If you're happy with that perennially more power to you, but that's not success. And I don't care to look at how many teams are worse or whatever...that's the defeatist, roll over and die, way to see things.

Do I want things to change? Sure I do. I'd love to have Wisconsin's program. Are things going to change? Nope. Not as long as Ferentzball is around and there's no good replacement out there. But I refuse to act like we're in some sort of eventual track towards the top of the Big10 West. That's for Nebraskans.

Getting "lucky breaks"? So Iowa sucks when they get lucky breaks in going 12-0, but "unlucky" breaks like Hooker missing that pass by 1" vs Penn St. doesn't mean anything? So if Iowa wins that Penn St. game, you still argue Iowa is crappy and lucky.

All great seasons have moments that the teams takes advantage of in order to win those 10+ games. In '85 was Iowa "lucky" to beat Michigan 12-10? Was Iowa lucky to beat an average MSU team 35-31? Or how about barely beating a bad Purdue team 27-24 in that special '85 season?

It isn't easy beating all the teams on your schedule. A preseason top 5 all time great Hawkeye '85 team lost 2 games, and came away with wins by the narrowest of margins in 3 other games (2 vs sub par teams).

 

[InGoodCo]

Yes we can, because it was a fluke due to the weakest schedule since they split the Big Ten (or any schedule I can think of before that), coupled with getting lucky breaks numerous times during games. If that season wasn't completely surrounded on both sides by 5, 6, and 8 loss seasons then you might have a point.

I enjoyed 2015 thoroughly and it was super special for my 10 year old and I. Wouldn't trade it for the world. But it was anything but indicative of Iowa football.

"The state of the program in general" is 7-8 win seasons which puts you at 4th in the west and 7th B1G overall. Nobody can argue that it's right there in black and white. If you're happy with that perennially more power to you, but that's not success.

And I don't care to look at how many teams are worse or whatever so you don't have to bring that up...it's the defeatist, roll over and die, way to see things. No one ever made success for themselves by counting the number of people who were shittier at something than they were. The only thing that does is made people who suck at something feel better about themselves. It does nothing of substance. That's like someone who runs a 5K and looks at how many people were slower than them instead of how far down the list they were, so they feel like they were fast. That's a little kid attitude.

Do I want things to change? Sure I do. I'd love to have Wisconsin's program. Are things going to change? Nope. Not as long as Ferentzball is around and there's no good replacement out there (for the record and so I don't get accused of hating Ferentz, I am not advocating getting rid of him). But I refuse to act like we're in some sort of eventual track towards the top of the Big10 West. That's for Nebraskans.

Fry... you're making stuff up. The 15 season was not surrounded by 5, 6 or 8 loss seasons. Not even close. In 15 they beat two top 25 teams. Lucky breaks and unfortunate bounces are part of football. Iowa has finished 1st and 2nd in the West the last 2 seasons. You are ridiculous man. At least be fair.

 

[RobHowe]

Ppl are far more inclined to take the time to express a negative opinion than a positive opinion. Just human nature

Unfortunate, but I get it. That's why Twitter is so popular.

I have noticed that a large slice of negativity is from a small group of posters waiting/hoping Iowa loses so they can fire away. I guess that's a positive way to look at it. I do think it's the minority.

 

[deanvogs]

Unfortunate, but I get it. That's why Twitter is so popular.

I have noticed that a large slice of negativity is from a small group of posters waiting/hoping Iowa loses so they can fire away. I guess that's a positive way to look at it. I do think it's the minority.

Yep, it is a small group, always the same posters. Half of them are former Dirty 30 posters.

 

[Fryowa]

Fry... you're making stuff up. The 15 season was not surrounded by 5, 6 or 8 loss seasons...You are ridiculous man. At least be fair.

I may be ridiculous but you're full of shit if you think I'm making anything up.

Wins:

2011 - 7 - 4th in Legends
2012 - 4 - 6th in Legends (I thought this one was either 5 or 6 off the top of my head. But it was worse. I'll give you that one if you want to say I'm making things up I guess.)
2013 - 8 - 4th in Legends
2014 - 7 - 4th in West
2015 - 12 - 1st in West
2016 - 8 - 2nd in West

Over the past 10 years the Hawks are .605.

An 8-5 season is .615.

So yes, the state of the program over the past decade is 7 to 8 wins a year, and 2015 was a flash in the pan.

Call me a curmudgeon if you want, but the numbers don't lie about anything.

 

[Fryowa]

Getting "lucky breaks"? So Iowa sucks when they get lucky breaks in going 12-0, but "unlucky" breaks like Hooker missing that pass by 1" vs Penn St. doesn't mean anything? So if Iowa wins that Penn St. game, you still argue Iowa is crappy and lucky.

All great seasons have moments that the teams takes advantage of in order to win those 10+ games. In '85 was Iowa "lucky" to beat Michigan 12-10? Was Iowa lucky to beat an average MSU team 35-31? Or how about barely beating a bad Purdue team 27-24 in that special '85 season?

It isn't easy beating all the teams on your schedule. A preseason top 5 all time great Hawkeye '85 team lost 2 games, and came away with wins by the narrowest of margins in 3 other games (2 vs sub par teams).

We aren't crappy, we're average.

You guys are taking my being realistic as being negative. Which I'm not. I wish the Hawks would go 12-0 every year, but at the same time I'm not going to act like we have an awesome football team when we don't. My admittedly worthless opinion is that we get out coached a whole lot, can't recruit as well as a program this size should be able to (not totally under the staff's control), and that leads to floating around a 7-6 or 8-5 record ad nauseum. Look no further than Wisconsin to see how a team with roughly comparable budget and facilities can dominate perennially. They have a savvy, football-smart AD who can find coaches that win instead of being satisfied with the status quo. They also had the lowest recruiting expenses in the entire Big Ten last year (excluding Northwestern which doesn't have to report because they're private).

Brian Ferentz being hired as OC (and eventually HC) is only going to continue Ferentzball long into the future. That's only my opinion, though right? It's worth what you paid for it and I'm not going to lose sleep if you don't agree with it.

 

[Ben Rumson]

12-0 doesn't mean anything for this season, but you can't dismiss it when you are discussing the state of the program in general. Iowa is average team this year it appears, hopefully a peg above average. They've shown indications that it could go either way, so I am not ready to just completely bury this team. But let's just STOP acting like this is what Iowa ALWAYS is. They aren't, they've shown that, we watched it.

I do agree with you but I want you all to go back and watch the PS game and Ms games. Watch their corners. They let our receivers run free and ran right to the run play as soon as the ball was snapped. WITH ANY amount of coaching adjustments we would not even be having this conversation as we would 5 and 0!

 

[HomerChampless]

I do agree with you but I want you all to go back and watch the PS game and Ms games. Watch their corners. They let our receivers run free and ran right to the run play as soon as the ball was snapped. WITH ANY amount of coaching adjustments we would not even be having this conversation as we would 5 and 0!

Yeah, I know, but passing more than we have and running and compressing less to the short side of the field wouldn't make Iowa 'balanced on offense', according to KF. What an offensive genius he is.

 

[Fryowa]

I do agree with you but I want you all to go back and watch the PS game and Ms games. Watch their corners. They let our receivers run free and ran right to the run play as soon as the ball was snapped. WITH ANY amount of coaching adjustments we would not even be having this conversation as we would 5 and 0!

If Stanley could reliably hit receivers you'd be correct.

 

[InGoodCo]

I may be ridiculous but you're full of shit if you think I'm making anything up.

Wins:

2011 - 7 - 4th in Legends
2012 - 4 - 6th in Legends (I thought this one was either 5 or 6 off the top of my head. But it was worse. I'll give you that one if you want to say I'm making things up I guess.)
2013 - 8 - 4th in Legends
2014 - 7 - 4th in West
2015 - 12 - 1st in West
2016 - 8 - 2nd in West

Over the past 10 years the Hawks are .605.

An 8-5 season is .615.

So yes, the state of the program over the past decade is 7 to 8 wins a year, and 2015 was a flash in the pan.

Call me a curmudgeon if you want, but the numbers don't lie about anything.

You said loses pal... not wins, so that's why I said you were full of it

 

[InGoodCo]

I may be ridiculous but you're full of shit if you think I'm making anything up.

Wins:

2011 - 7 - 4th in Legends
2012 - 4 - 6th in Legends (I thought this one was either 5 or 6 off the top of my head. But it was worse. I'll give you that one if you want to say I'm making things up I guess.)
2013 - 8 - 4th in Legends
2014 - 7 - 4th in West
2015 - 12 - 1st in West
2016 - 8 - 2nd in West

Over the past 10 years the Hawks are .605.

An 8-5 season is .615.

So yes, the state of the program over the past decade is 7 to 8 wins a year, and 2015 was a flash in the pan.

Call me a curmudgeon if you want, but the numbers don't lie about anything.

and a coach that wins at that clip is a borderline top 25 program. Face it, Iowa is not as bad as you want to make it. Flash in the pan is any team that manages to go 12-0 regular season. It just doesn't happen all the time any where. So, yeah, 12-0 is a flash in the pan... But KF finishing in the top 10 5 times certainly seems to more then a flash.

 

[InGoodCo]

We aren't crappy, we're average.

You guys are taking my being realistic as being negative. Which I'm not. I wish the Hawks would go 12-0 every year, but at the same time I'm not going to act like we have an awesome football team when we don't. My admittedly worthless opinion is that we get out coached a whole lot, can't recruit as well as a program this size should be able to (not totally under the staff's control), and that leads to floating around a 7-6 or 8-5 record ad nauseum. Look no further than Wisconsin to see how a team with roughly comparable budget and facilities can dominate perennially. They have a savvy, football-smart AD who can find coaches that win instead of being satisfied with the status quo. They also had the lowest recruiting expenses in the entire Big Ten last year (excluding Northwestern which doesn't have to report because they're private).

Brian Ferentz being hired as OC (and eventually HC) is only going to continue Ferentzball long into the future. That's only my opinion, though right? It's worth what you paid for it and I'm not going to lose sleep if you don't agree with it.

I for one am glad you share your opinion - makes it fun to debate ya. Iowa is an above average program and has been since after KF first 2 seasons besides 2012. Every year can't be great, Wisconsin is gonna come crashing down sooner then later. I got em losing in Lincoln this weekend in fact.

 

[deanvogs]

We aren't crappy, we're average.

You guys are taking my being realistic as being negative. Which I'm not. I wish the Hawks would go 12-0 every year, but at the same time I'm not going to act like we have an awesome football team when we don't. My admittedly worthless opinion is that we get out coached a whole lot, can't recruit as well as a program this size should be able to (not totally under the staff's control), and that leads to floating around a 7-6 or 8-5 record ad nauseum. Look no further than Wisconsin to see how a team with roughly comparable budget and facilities can dominate perennially. They have a savvy, football-smart AD who can find coaches that win instead of being satisfied with the status quo. They also had the lowest recruiting expenses in the entire Big Ten last year (excluding Northwestern which doesn't have to report because they're private).

Brian Ferentz being hired as OC (and eventually HC) is only going to continue Ferentzball long into the future. That's only my opinion, though right? It's worth what you paid for it and I'm not going to lose sleep if you don't agree with it.

I think I am being realistic as well. Like it or not, 8 wins a years (8-5) over 15-16 years puts you solidly in the second tier of football programs. That is what KF and Iowa have been for the past 15 or 16 years. He has averaged just over 8 wins per year in that time. That puts us behind the top tier of P5 winners over that time:

OSU
Oklahoma
LSU
USC
Bama
Oregon
Georgia
Texas
Florida
Florida St.
Wisconsin

We are in the next tier of P5 teams,

Virginia Tech
Clemson
Louisville
Auburn
West Virginia
Miami
Nebraska
Oklahoma St.
Michigan
Iowa
Penn St.

Would I like to switch places with a Wisconsin? You bet I would. Are we horrible or even mediocre? No, that stats just don't show that.