Iowa's O is MIA - SSDD
- Thread starter NCHawker
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That stat is meaningless mainly because it is harder than hell for almost all teams to get to 9-0 at anytime over a 10 to 20 year period. You have a small sample size and look at MInny, as this is their first 9-0 in forever.
I’m confused. If you have ten years to do something it’s harder than doing it in 5? I didn’t say it was easy. The point is they have the same number of 9-0 starts. Now I think it’s more impressive when you only have 5 chances vs 10-20. But hey, we’re Iowa so 1 in 10-20 is fine.
I will say that is an awesome picture.
Motigerhawk
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At least we are consistent.
Why dont you show those FG numbers? Thats where its at.
Why dont you show those FG numbers? Thats where its at.
tksirius
HN's Love Doctor
Updated Rankings after Illinois
http://www.cfbstats.com/2019/national/index.html
Under BF so far:
Total Offense:
2017: 117
2018: 92
2019 so far: 95
Scoring Offense:
2017: 66
2018: 44
2019 so far: 102
Passing Offense:
2017: 93
2018: 72
2019 so far: 59
Rushing Offense:
2017: 97
2018: 95
2019 so far: 101
(37 games):
Total Offense: 101.33
Scoring Offense: 70.66
Passing Offense: 74.66
Rushing Offense: 97.66
Mean Ranking: 86.07
5 years under Greg Davis:
Total Offense: 92.2
Scoring Offense: 82.4
Passing Offense: 92
Rushing Offense: 66.8
Mean Ranking: 83.35
13 years under KOK:
Total Offense: 67.92
Scoring Offense: 59.46
Passing Offense: 59.84
Rushing Offense: 66.23
Mean Ranking: 63.36
http://www.cfbstats.com/2019/national/index.html
Under BF so far:
Total Offense:
2017: 117
2018: 92
2019 so far: 95
Scoring Offense:
2017: 66
2018: 44
2019 so far: 102
Passing Offense:
2017: 93
2018: 72
2019 so far: 59
Rushing Offense:
2017: 97
2018: 95
2019 so far: 101
(37 games):
Total Offense: 101.33
Scoring Offense: 70.66
Passing Offense: 74.66
Rushing Offense: 97.66
Mean Ranking: 86.07
5 years under Greg Davis:
Total Offense: 92.2
Scoring Offense: 82.4
Passing Offense: 92
Rushing Offense: 66.8
Mean Ranking: 83.35
13 years under KOK:
Total Offense: 67.92
Scoring Offense: 59.46
Passing Offense: 59.84
Rushing Offense: 66.23
Mean Ranking: 63.36
NCHawker
Well-Known Member
Well there it is. I suppose that its good enough for Kirk. one of these day's I'm going to just accept that's football at Iowa
hawkdrummer1
Well-Known Member
Pathetic.
okeefe4prez
Well-Known Member
It is truly amazing that the Brain has the total offense number outside the top 100. 68th to 101st. We're what, 14 points from being undefeated? Sure would be nice if the scoring O was just back to O'Keefe's level.
tksirius
HN's Love Doctor
Updated Rankings after Nebraska
http://www.cfbstats.com/2019/national/index.html
Under BF so far:
Total Offense:
2017: 117
2018: 92
2019 so far: 98
Scoring Offense:
2017: 66
2018: 44
2019 so far: 100
Passing Offense:
2017: 93
2018: 72
2019 so far: 66
Rushing Offense:
2017: 97
2018: 95
2019 so far: 96
(38 games):
Total Offense: 102.33
Scoring Offense: 70
Passing Offense: 77
Rushing Offense: 96
Mean Ranking: 86.33
5 years under Greg Davis:
Total Offense: 92.2
Scoring Offense: 82.4
Passing Offense: 92
Rushing Offense: 66.8
Mean Ranking: 83.35
13 years under KOK:
Total Offense: 67.92
Scoring Offense: 59.46
Passing Offense: 59.84
Rushing Offense: 66.23
Mean Ranking: 63.36
http://www.cfbstats.com/2019/national/index.html
Under BF so far:
Total Offense:
2017: 117
2018: 92
2019 so far: 98
Scoring Offense:
2017: 66
2018: 44
2019 so far: 100
Passing Offense:
2017: 93
2018: 72
2019 so far: 66
Rushing Offense:
2017: 97
2018: 95
2019 so far: 96
(38 games):
Total Offense: 102.33
Scoring Offense: 70
Passing Offense: 77
Rushing Offense: 96
Mean Ranking: 86.33
5 years under Greg Davis:
Total Offense: 92.2
Scoring Offense: 82.4
Passing Offense: 92
Rushing Offense: 66.8
Mean Ranking: 83.35
13 years under KOK:
Total Offense: 67.92
Scoring Offense: 59.46
Passing Offense: 59.84
Rushing Offense: 66.23
Mean Ranking: 63.36
tksirius
HN's Love Doctor
Updated Rankings after the Bowl Game
http://www.cfbstats.com/2019/national/index.html
Under BF so far:
Total Offense:
2017: 117
2018: 92
2019: 99
Scoring Offense:
2017: 66
2018: 44
2019: 87
Passing Offense:
2017: 93
2018: 72
2019: 68
Rushing Offense:
2017: 97
2018: 95
2019: 97
3 Seasons:
Total Offense: 102.66
Scoring Offense: 65.66
Passing Offense: 77.66
Rushing Offense: 96.33
Mean Ranking: 85.57
5 years under Greg Davis:
Total Offense: 92.2
Scoring Offense: 82.4
Passing Offense: 92
Rushing Offense: 66.8
Mean Ranking: 83.35
13 years under KOK:
Total Offense: 67.92
Scoring Offense: 59.46
Passing Offense: 59.84
Rushing Offense: 66.23
Mean Ranking: 63.36
http://www.cfbstats.com/2019/national/index.html
Under BF so far:
Total Offense:
2017: 117
2018: 92
2019: 99
Scoring Offense:
2017: 66
2018: 44
2019: 87
Passing Offense:
2017: 93
2018: 72
2019: 68
Rushing Offense:
2017: 97
2018: 95
2019: 97
3 Seasons:
Total Offense: 102.66
Scoring Offense: 65.66
Passing Offense: 77.66
Rushing Offense: 96.33
Mean Ranking: 85.57
5 years under Greg Davis:
Total Offense: 92.2
Scoring Offense: 82.4
Passing Offense: 92
Rushing Offense: 66.8
Mean Ranking: 83.35
13 years under KOK:
Total Offense: 67.92
Scoring Offense: 59.46
Passing Offense: 59.84
Rushing Offense: 66.23
Mean Ranking: 63.36
I was unaware you were keeping tabs on this prior to me writing my post. I vaguely remember this thread from a few years ago, but I was avoiding it whenever it popper this season because I thought it would just be a bunch of incessant bitching that would piss me off.
Since Iowa's philosophy has not really changed in 20 years, direct comparison of these numbers across coordinators should be fine (no huge differences in possession #s per game, no reason to rely on efficiency metrics).
Do you agree that the only # among those you have posted that ultimately matters is scoring offense? If so, we can agree that BF has roughly been KOK's equal so far, right?
Everyone agrees that Iowa's offense needs to be better. You love to poke fun at BF (you have plenty of fodder, I don't blame you). But separate from the discussion of if he should have ever been hired as OC in the first place (probably not), do you think he deserves to be fired at this point, and do you think there is a good chance that a new OC could be hired who would substantially improve the situation?
I'm not sure the answer to that. After watching Minny run up and down the field on PSU, followed by Iowa's O once again getting throttled by Wisconsin, I would have fully supported a change. But Iowa's offense was pretty strong over the last 4 games. I am a coach-defender by default, so I will come down on the side of BF, but I won't begrudge the opinion of anyone who thinks we could do better.
okeefe4prez
Well-Known Member
No, we can't. O'Keefe was better than 60th on average. Brian hit 44th in 2018, but that was bolstered by an absolute Rodgering of Illinois, which a man like O'Keefe would never do.
Roughly?
tksirius
HN's Love Doctor
KOK ran the same type of time of possession offense Brian runs, yet KOK was able to rank a lot better overall. In regards to wins & losses, scoring offense matters more, but in regards to OC ability, the whole picture matters more.
KOK was obviously a better OC than Brian, but Brian is obviously an upgrade over Davis, just not as much as the Ferentz groupies make it out to be.
But efficiency is probably the best metric we have of the whole picture, and in that regard as well as in regard to scoring offense, they are essentially equal. The efficiency metrics are not available for KOK's best offensive year (2002).
I agree that KOK was better than BF has shown himself to be so far. I think Iowa's O is well-designed, but I don't think BF has a great knack for play-calling. Hopefully that will improve, but you would sure like to see more progression to this point.
Against the good defenses in BF's 3 years, Iowa has gone from an unholy abomination (think Wisconsin in 2017) to a plain old dumpster fire (Wisconsin 2019). Progress!
This guy makes about 2/3 of what BF makes:
https://www.espn.com/college-footba...d-winner-joe-brady-states-intentions-stay-lsu
Give him an offer that approaches Doyle and Parker, see if he jumps on it? BF to OL coach/run game coordinator?
That obviously wouldn't happen, nor do I want it to, but I thought you would like the idea.
The two places we need to improve are #1 limiting 3 and outs. For the most part we have improved on this, but still need to get better. A solid run game would really help here. The second thing we need to do is score TD's when we are in the red zone. Again a solid run game would help with this. Another thought I had this year but never mentioned it is that when you don't have a dependable run game and are trying to get your te room going, it might be better to take your shots to or almost to the end zone from the 20 yard line. If wr is the strongest position, once you get them inside of the 20 things start getting tighter and we basically bottle necked our offense because we just didn't have a run game or the te's to help inside the 20.
So, hopefully our run game gets better. Be that different blocking or different blocking at times or whatever we need to do and we keep bringing the te's along. We found a talent at rb and at te this year so that is a good thing, but we need to keep pushing in the areas I have laid out. The rest of the pieces are in place.
So, hopefully our run game gets better. Be that different blocking or different blocking at times or whatever we need to do and we keep bringing the te's along. We found a talent at rb and at te this year so that is a good thing, but we need to keep pushing in the areas I have laid out. The rest of the pieces are in place.
karras
Well-Known Member
Here's what's possible. That everyone who argues about the offensive coordinators is on a fools errand. Kirk gives some freedom to his defensive coordinators (like Hayden) but he micromanages his OCs (obviously Brian gets a longer leash, much longer, fist-thru-the-wall-while threatening-officials-longer).
Here's an example of what I'm taking about. KF's closest brush with a Heisman player was with a dual-threat QB. He's had others since then. None have ever been seriously considered for anything other than a position switch . . . a few QBs have been "mobile" but not dual-threat.
No one will ever forget Kirk's snide comment after CJB disobeyed him and scored late in a game. It cost CJB his chance at being the starter in 2014.
Kirk sets tight parameters around the offense and especially scoring. His end of game and end of first half kneel downs have probably taken 50 TDs/FGs off the board in his 21 seasons. (though the kneel downs are fewer over the last few years, thank God)
When Brian is head coach in 5 years he'll be exactly the same probably. Offensive control freak.
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